Qur'an as a constitution or an inspiration
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What about the element of interpretation, Mazhar?
Who gets to be the interpreter?
By interpretation we understand in common parlance an explanation or establishment of the meaning or significance of something. Qur'aan is introduced and defined as a book. All the principles regarding reading, understanding and translating of a book which are universally accepted shall be applied to the Qur'aan too. Book comprises of words and words have predefined perceptions, meaning and added connotations. Grand Qur'aan is a remarkable Book. It translates itself about all important matters which will have value for determining and proving the criminals beyond shadow of doubt that they acted defiantly despite knowing and understanding vividly what they were required to abstain from and its consequence.
The ultimate objective of "interpretation" is to make two things distinct and crystal clear from each other and in Arabic the word for it is
So He has already given the interpretation of Qur'aan.
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And like this/in this manner We make the Aa'ya'at/knowledge about things distinct/crystal clear so that the path/way/conduct of criminals may become demarcated/manifested/highlighted.http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/006.%20Al%20Anaam/006.%20Al%20Anaam%20A.htm
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That's great Mazhar, thank you.
Can you please tell me, between the two parties who say salat are
- a ritual
- not a ritual
which one is following God's bayan?
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That's great Mazhar, thank you.
Can you please tell me, between the two parties who say salat are
- a ritual
- not a ritual
which one is following God's bayan?
According to dictionary ritual is defined as an established and prescribed pattern of observance, performance of formal acts the observance of actions or procedures in a set, ordered, and ceremonial way; system of rites the system of set procedures and actions of a group.
But a perception of monotony and routine has also become associated to it when this is referred for a religious activity.
Salat in that sense is not a ritual, everytime it is fresh affirmation of sincerity and allegiance to Allah through physical demonstration at prescribed timings and a proof of commanality amongst a group of people. It is part of Islam, i.e. Deen which relates to physical evidence of ones belief. It is congregational and demonstrative. It is practical and concern more of declarative memory-Anything which is in declarative memory is always easy to remember and recall/retrieve. Through this Allah always remains in ones memory.
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Badar, how'd u get your definitions. Dhalika means 'that'. Qur'an means 'recitation' or 'declaration'.
Dear Brother, very easy if you pay attention to only script and follow the rules of writting script ignoring changes in the language over years. Dhalika is combination of , , , and personal pronoun . How come this could mean "that" only? If you follow this you will understand rest as well, with out any problem.
Badar
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According to dictionary ritual is defined as an established and prescribed pattern of observance, performance of formal acts the observance of actions or procedures in a set, ordered, and ceremonial way; system of rites the system of set procedures and actions of a group.
But a perception of monotony and routine has also become associated to it when this is referred for a religious activity.
Salat in that sense is not a ritual, everytime it is fresh affirmation of sincerity and allegiance to Allah through physical demonstration at prescribed timings and a proof of commanality amongst a group of people. It is part of Islam, i.e. Deen which relates to physical evidence of ones belief. It is congregational and demonstrative. It is practical and concern more of declarative memory-Anything which is in declarative memory is always easy to remember and recall/retrieve. Through this Allah always remains in ones memory.
Mazhar, this is YOUR explanation, not Allah?s explanation. That doesn?t mean its wrong but we can never deny the human agency in explaining the Quran. Allah gives the bayan yes, but to the individual reader (you quoted 75/19, thumma alaina bayanahu. See 75/16, it says ?do not rush YOUR tongue?. The ?your? here is singular. It?s to individual reader. You can never objectively prove it).
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Dear Brother, very easy if you pay attention to only script and follow the rules of writting script ignoring changes in the language over years. Dhalika is combination of , , , and personal pronoun . How come this could mean "that" only? If you follow this you will understand rest as well, with out any problem.
BadarOk. 2 Questions please
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Why doesn't it mean 'posessed by you' (dhaa - posesses , li - to, ka - you)
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Why did you stop at 'dhaa' and not 'dhaal' as in 'dhali' and 'ka'?
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Ok. 2 Questions please
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Why doesn't it mean 'posessed by you' (dhaa - posesses , li - to, ka - you)
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Why did you stop at 'dhaa' and not 'dhaal' as in 'dhali' and 'ka'?
Dear Brother when read carefully in Lane, is used for this and that, suggesting meanings of nearness in time that is by "this" as well farness in time that is "that". So how would one translate this concept in English that is both this and that. Close and far, in time. Only word "eternal" could express this concept. What is this "dhaa" and posesses from?
Badar
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A constitution is a statement outlining the basic laws or principles by which a country or organization or people are governed. It has a permanent and stable value for all outlining fundamental values to be adhered to by all. It is a code of conduct of a nation.
A part of Grand Qur'aan outlines and permanently prescribes the permanent values and code of conduct.
Hence Qur'aan has already given in writing what today we perceive from the word "Constitution".
And what we understand from "Qanoon" or "law" is a statement that prescribes and guides for everyday conduct of individuals of the nation and society as a whole. Conduct is in time and space, and time means day and night. Qur'aan calls it Huda and it is itself Al Huda, a Guide in time and space for shaping one's conduct in varying situations of time and space.
Exactly... bravo
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Peace,
I believe that the Qur'an cannot truly be a constitution. I believe it can be an inspiration for our values which are then inked down into a constitution. A constitution sometimes needs to be very detailed and must address the specific needs of the people it represents. For example the Medina Constitution addressed these specific concerns
The Constitution established the security of the community, religious freedoms, the role of Medina as a haram or sacred place (barring all violence and weapons), the security of women, stable tribal relations within Medina, a tax system for supporting the community in time of conflict, parameters for exogenous political alliances, a system for granting protection of individuals, a judicial system for resolving disputes, and also regulated the paying of Blood money (the payment between families or tribes for the slaying of an individual in lieu of lex talionis).
The example of the Prophet in Medina, created a constitution based on the values of the Qur'an and that addressed the specific needs of the people living in Medina, whether they were Muslims, Jews, or Pagans.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Medina
A constitution should have wording that is very clear and almost unambiguous (something that is impossible) but a constitution should be specifically aimed a certain group of people given their socio-economic and geographical circumstances. For example the Constitution of Medina laid out in clear terms what were the rights of non-Muslims.
- The security of God is equal for all groups.
- Non-Muslim members have equal political and cultural rights as Muslims. They will have autonomy and freedom of religion.
- Non-Muslims will take up arms against the enemy of the Ummah and share the cost of war. There is to be no treachery between the two.
- Non-Muslims will not be obliged to take part in religious wars of the Muslims.
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doesn't Saudi claim the Quran is its constitution.
Yes but their real constitution is the Mein Kempf.
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Yes but their real constitution is the Mein Kempf.
Their constitution is the "Mein Kampf"?! o Why are you spreading lies on here, guy? This is a complete falsehood, and you're promoting blind ignorance on here. Please stop the foolishness...
Peace Yaqub,
doesn't Saudi claim the Quran is its constitution.
Yes, Saudi Arabia primarily claims the Qur'aan (their interpretation of it) as their national constitution.
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Their constitution is the "Mein Kampf"?! Why are you spreading lies on here, guy? This is a complete falsehood, and you're promoting blind ignorance on here. Please stop the foolishness...
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_speech
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Their constitution is the "Mein Kampf"?! o Why are you spreading lies on here, guy? This is a complete falsehood, and you're promoting blind ignorance on here. Please stop the foolishness...
Peace Yaqub,
Yes, Saudi Arabia primarily claims the Qur'aan (their interpretation of it) as their national constitution.
http//www.servat.unibe.ch/icl/sa00000_.html police
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http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_speech
You could determine that as a "figure of speech" if you want, but stating that their "real" constitution is the Mein Kempf is a bold accusation, and it would be viewed as extremely offensive to a lot of people. The concepts outlined in the Mein Kempf promote extermination of entire cultural groups and upliftment of a single race. There is nothing in the Saudi Arabian constitution promoting this kind of blind hatred for anyone, nor is their monarchy considered a "dictatorship" - everyone is equally subject to the law. Regardless of how you stated it, the statement you made was wrong, and it inadvertently promotes hatred for Saudi Arabian law and government. You need to be careful with statements like those...
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You could determine that as a "figure of speech" if you want, but stating that their "real" constitution is the Mein Kempf is a bold accusation, and it would be viewed as extremely offensive to a lot of people. The concepts outlined in the Mein Kempf promote extermination of entire cultural groups and upliftment of a single race. There is nothing in the Saudi Arabian constitution promoting this kind of blind hatred for anyone, nor is their monarchy considered a "dictatorship" - everyone is equally subject to the law. Regardless of how you stated it, the statement you made was wrong, and it inadvertently promotes hatred for Saudi Arabian law and government. You need to be careful with statements like those...
Awesome! You wrote 'The concepts outlined in the Mein Kempf promote extermination of entire cultural groups and upliftment of a single race' and that is EXACTLY what Saudi Islam, wahabism is all about. Wahabism reduces Islam to cultural affectations. That's why you'll see white and black wahabis calling themselves Abu this and Ummu that, for example. Thank you for putting it so succinctly.
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Awesome! You wrote 'The concepts outlined in the Mein Kempf promote extermination of entire cultural groups and upliftment of a single race' and that is EXACTLY what Saudi Islam, wahabism is all about. Wahabism reduces Islam to cultural affectations. That's why you'll see white and black wahabis calling themselves Abu this and Ummu that, for example. Thank you for putting it so succinctly.
Are you seriously claiming that this is the same thing?! ) Tell me one racial or cultural group that the Saudis have exterminated, as in a physical genocide. Tell me a racial group whom the Saudis openly consider evil and deserving of death, to the point of acting on these views by enslaving and murdering them. Can you name any? You sound completely foolish by saying this is what "Wahhabism" is about. Salafis believe in following the example set by the prophet, which, in their views, is based on observance of the Qur'aan, sunna, and hadiyths. What you're alleging is ridiculous!
Regarding the black and white Salafis calling themselves "Abu" and "Ummu", this doesn't have anything to do with the Saudis trying to forcefully eliminate other cultural groups. The fact that blacks, whites, Arabs, Asians, and everyone else migrates to Saudi Arabia for the pilgrimage shows that this is a fallacy. Sunnis, in general, CHOOSE to adopt Arabic ("muslim" names as a symbol for their new identity. No Muslims, Salafi or otherwise, are forced to change their names, adopt new cultural practices, change their native language, switch countries, change their style of dress, or anything like that. It's the personal choice of the convertee. So, again, how are the Saudis even comparable to the Nazis? Be serious, dude!
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Are you seriously claiming that this is the same thing?! ) Tell me one racial or cultural group that the Saudis have exterminated, as in a physical genocide. Tell me a racial group whom the Saudis openly consider evil and deserving of death, to the point of acting on these views by enslaving and murdering them. Can you name any? You sound completely foolish by saying this is what "Wahhabism" is about. Salafis believe in following the example set by the prophet, which, in their views, is based on observance of the Qur'aan, sunna, and hadiyths. What you're alleging is ridiculous!
When my grandma went to mecca for pilgrimmage, she wasn't allowed to the A/C buses.(she said). She was allowed to the second class buses. I think that it is because she is brown.
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When my grandma went to mecca for pilgrimmage, she wasn't allowed to the A/C buses.(she said). She was allowed to the second class buses. I think that it is because she is brown.
Honestly, I doubt that was the reason, bro. Millions of people travel to Makkah for the pilgrimage every year, and there are plenty of brown, black, white, red, and yellow people on all the buses. The one who makes it to the bus first is the one who rides on it. And there are plenty of people who would happily get off the bus to make room for another person, especially if your grandmother was old when she travelled. The bus probably just ran out of space...
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Honestly, I doubt that was the reason, bro. Millions of people travel to Makkah for the pilgrimage every year, and there are plenty of brown, black, white, red, and yellow people on all the buses. The one who makes it to the bus first is the one who rides on it. And there are plenty of people who would happily get off the bus to make room for another person, especially if your grandmother was old when she travelled. The bus probably just ran out of space...
maybe. I''ll ask her again.