12:106 Mushrik believers

unknownuser

You want to say that "Sunnis" are Mushrik ??

Regards

Salam brother

what is your understanding of 12106?

imfromjakarta

Salam Jack,

Note the context Yusuf's story. Yusuf was in the 'minority', and his brothers outnumbered him. Think about this.

Do you know how many believers/mukmin during the time of Prophet Moses ?

Only two people.

523 Two men from among those who were fearing, upon whom God had bestowed favor, said Enter upon them through the gate, if you enter it then you will be the victors; and put your trust in God if you are believers.

Do u know how many believers/mukmin during the time of Prophet Luth ?

Only one family....minus Luth's wife.

These facts are when are talking about mukmin, which certainly higher degree than muslim, because mukmin obey Allah and the messenger. Don't get me wrong, when I said obey Allah and obey messenger does not mean obey messenger means obey hadith created by Bukhari and co.

When we are talking about muslim and polytheist

muslim >< polytheists

definition of muslim

4133 And who is better in saying than he who invites to God, and does good works, and says I am one of those who have submitted.

polytheist may have doing a lot of good deeds in this world, they also believe in Allah but they are not realize that they are setup partners with Allah.

Do they realize that setting up partners with Allah means also obey man-made laws such found in hadith compiled/created by Bukhari and co ?

Please apply the concept of negation thinking to these verses below

619 Say "Which is the greatest testimony?" Say "God is witness between me and you, and He has inspired to me this Reading that I may warn you with it and whoever it reaches, that you are bearing witness that with God are other gods!" Say "I do not bear witness!" Say "He is only One god, and I am innocent of what you have set up!"

Setting up partners with Allah means creating secondary source of law beside al-Qur'an

6106 Follow what is inspired to you from your Lord; there is no god except He, and turn away from the polytheists.

Polytheist means someone who's not following what was inspired from Allah (Zabur, Taurat, Injil and al-Qur'an)

721-2 Say "It has been inspired to me that a group of Jinn were listening." They said "We have heard a magnificent Reading!" "It guides to what is correct, so we believed in it, and we will not set up anyone with our Lord.

Again, it confirms in al-Qur'an, that creating man-made laws other than al-Qur'an to uphold, obey and follow is another act of polytheism

unknownuser

Regardless of the religion, the whole "mumin" world is mushrik except for few.
Btw, the word muslim is opposite of mushrik while the word mumin is not opposite of mushrik. One can be a mumin in Allah yet a big mushrik of Him at the same time. A situation Allah has spoken of in the Quran, like in the ayah you posted for example.

salaam sister, please read the following carefully

how do you understand above verses? where did you get your definition of mumin?

TAJ

Can you provide Quranic textual evidence for this? 2/221 shows that mumin and mushrik are opposites, that is, one is not to marry a mushrik until he yu'min.

The ayah at the opening post supports what I wrote. As for not marrying a mushrik until they become a mumin, well, there are two types of iman, one is pure and another is distorted which is shirk. But in Islam, there is only one type, pure.. The mushriks would still have iman in God, but what kind of iman!

TAJ

salaam sister, please read the following carefully

how do you understand above verses? where did you get your definition of mumin?

One can be a muslim, believing that there is one God, and no god but Allah yet still won't behave in accordance, why? Because iman in the hereafter, iman in God's justice would not really have sunk in their hearts. For example, one can be a muslim yet abusive..
Iman usually shows on one's action, that is why in the ayat where there is muminoon,, there is always mostly a description of what they do.. while Islam can be hidden in one's heart and one won't admit of it,, for fear for their lives, etc..

abdalquran

The ayah at the opening post supports what I wrote.

Hmm, here's what you wrote
Regardless of the religion, the whole "mumin" world is mushrik except for few.
Btw, the word muslim is opposite of mushrik while the word mumin is not opposite of mushrik. One can be a mumin in Allah yet a big mushrik of Him at the same time
I agree with the with first sentence. I think the whole ?religion? thing is a matter of labels only. Doesn?t matter at all. If you believe how the Quran prescribes, you?re a mumin but with shirk tendencies.
However, in the second part, you say being ?muslim? is opposite to being mushrik. I can?t see any textual evidence for this.

As for not marrying a mushrik until they become a mumin, well, there are two types of iman, one is pure and another is distorted which is shirk. But in Islam, there is only one type, pure.. The mushriks would still have iman in God, but what kind of iman!

Can you perhaps show examples of ?pure? and ?distorted? types of iman in the text? With the word ?muslim?, I can see there is ?muslimeen? and ?muslim haneefa? but with iman, I cannot see it.

abdalquran

Note the context Yusuf's story. Yusuf was in the 'minority', and his brothers outnumbered him. Think about this.
12103 is also very similar in its phrasing...
Additionally, check out 12107, specifically the word iman. What does 12108 ask us to say?

That's good thinking, Jack. That these statements are definitely connected to Yusuf's story. However, the context has been globalised with the inclusion of The Reader in 12/102, (nuhihi ilaika) and this very same reader is spoken to in 12/103 (haradhTA). That to me, makes the condition universal.

I don't understand what you're getting at with 12/107-108 but I'm sure it's something 'tasty'. Care to explain further?

TAJ

However, in the second part, you say being ?muslim? is opposite to being mushrik. I can?t see any textual evidence for this.
Can you perhaps show examples of ?pure? and ?distorted? types of iman in the text? With the word ?muslim?, I can see there is ?muslimeen? and ?muslim haneefa? but with iman, I cannot see it.

This is the meaning in Arabic. Islam is whole, complete, full. Shirk is division or partnereship. You cannot be whole if you are divided!

Can you perhaps show examples of ?pure? and ?distorted? types of iman in the text? With the word ?muslim?, I can see there is ?muslimeen? and ?muslim haneefa? but with iman, I cannot see it.

The nika7 ayah that you brought.

TAJ

Abdalquran,

Does your screen name speak about your convictions?

abdalquran

This is the meaning in Arabic. Islam is whole, complete, full. Shirk is division or partnereship. You cannot be whole if you are divided!

Ok, fair enough. Yes, I see that Ibrahim was 'muslim haneefa wa maa kanaa min al-mushrikoon'. That's muslim haneefa though. Muslim to me still shows that there may be shirk there.

The nika7 ayah that you brought.

Does this ayah show 'pure' iman or 'distorted' iman?

belH