Rashad Khalifa's Quran translation
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Salam,
MG translation was based on RK, and RQT was based on MG, so they are similar.
That is incorrect information you are spreading. The Message was based on the Arabic Quran with a cross reference to a number of other translations. That RTQ was based on The Message is correct.
They are also similar in the sense they are all riddled with errors.
Perhaps, as Ayman pointed out in another thread, it could be that your understanding is riddled with the errors?
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I've read stories older than that and I can understand them. Shakespeare English was spoken centuries ago.
That is True .
In the Subcontinent Shakperian English still taught.But has been out from day to day documentation.
During his perios Urdu and English were written most in old style because those were difficult ones and this criteria used to considered a matter of "scholarship".Regards
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It is one of the most distorted translations.
He thinks that word Khalifa means "representative" which he interprets as "satan,temporary god".It the most stupid interpretation which can be ever produced.Like this for 741 ,he translates "Al - Mudassir" as "secret code". Again Most non sense distortion .
It is a translation by a deluded person.
RegardsI think Khalifa means representative, too. I think that's the Quranic gloss or restoration (depending on your perspective) of Adam being the 'image' of God. But anyway, most of the translation is pedestrian, but the idea that Satan as a temporary god freaks me out enough on its own to keep me away from most of what RK touched.
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His translation started in 1934 and published in 1938.That was the time when Shakespearian English was considered to be "Real" English.
Regards
huh?
there are so many writers from that time and from even earlier who wrote in clear English. That's not a good reason. -
peace Layth,
That is incorrect information you are spreading. The Message was based on the Arabic Quran with a cross reference to a number of other translations. That RTQ was based on The Message is correct.
Of course I am sure The Message is based on the Arabic Quran as its ultimate reference, however it was very clear to me that The Message was based heavily on RK's translation. In fact, I would be very interested to hear anyone who read the early version who disagrees with this. Feel free to personal message some members, e.g. the other proof reader, bro Aaron. Besides, it's not just me, see an early review on amazon.com
This is another version of rashed khalifa if I was in charge of the followers of brother rashed I would take legal action against these guys
- verbatim copied from rasheds final testament
Maybe the above person is also mistaken.
But rather than take our word for it, anyone can download the early copy here if they wish. Check it for themselves.
There is a small chance however all the similarities were just coincidences. Now, however, after many amendments, the similarities are less noticeable.
Perhaps, as Ayman pointed out in another thread, it could be that your understanding is riddled with the errors?
Of course that is a possibility, but are you implying bro Ayman said anywhere my understanding is "riddled with the errors"? Evidence please.
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I don't understand why they like to use old words
It sounds noble.
thee, knoweth, hath, hateth. blalalallala...
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Peace,
Of course I am sure The Message is based on the Arabic Quran as its ultimate reference, however it was very clear to me that The Message was based heavily on RK's translation. In fact, I would be very interested to hear anyone who read the early version who disagrees with this. Feel free to personal message some members, e.g. the other proof reader, bro Aaron.
Interesting conjecture...As the lead translator, I know firsthand how this project began and progressed...Yet, seems you want to imply that you know better!
Besides, it's not just me, see an early review on amazon.com
Quote from 13/10/06
This is another version of rashed khalifa if I was in charge of the followers of brother rashed I would take legal action against these guys- verbatim copied from rasheds final testament
What rubbish!
Here is what your "expert witness" had to say on the Amazon review of The Natural Republic
By Afg #1 "Omi" (Guelph, ON CAN) - See all my reviews
This is another version of rashed khalifa if I was in charge of the followers of brother rashed I would take legal action against these guys- verbatim, copied from rasheds final testament
- not good at all to make you a better person, forget about being a good muslim
3.very misleading without any proof .don't waste your money I have read all the available trans best I recomand Yusif Ali***** or Allamah Nooruddin****, others good for only a particular group of people not all nations. These two you can gave to any muslim or non muslim with out thinking of offending/misleading them.if you have this version read recomandation you'll see it clearly...
Seems like our friend does not even know the contents on the books he is attacking (pushing his sunni translators in the process).
Of course that is a possibility, but are you implying bro Ayman said anywhere my understanding is "riddled with the errors"? Evidence please.
No, I was suggesting the thread where Ayman attacked the undertstanding of people as being wrong (on the Kabaa discussion) where a person may think he knows what the correct understanding/interpretation should be, but he/she could be absolutely wrong.
My point being, if you dislike The Message because it does not conform to your understanding of what should be, that is your absolute right...Just stop attacking the work every which chance you get (if you have nothing good to say, then say nothing).
4148 God does not love that any negative sayings be publicized, except if one is wronged. God is Hearer, Knowledgeable.
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peace Layth,
Interesting conjecture...As the lead translator, I know firsthand how this project began and progressed...Yet, seems you want to imply that you know better!
Often, when a person is too close to something, they dont see the full picture. As I said, no-one should take our word for it, if they wish to verify, simply download the early version, compare, and see for themselves.
What rubbish!
Here is what your "expert witness" had to say on the Amazon review of The Natural Republic
Seems like our friend does not even know the contents on the books he is attacking (pushing his sunni translators in the process).Seems like he/she did a cut&paste to me, and I think its obvious which book he/she is referring to originally.
No, I was suggesting the thread where Ayman attacked the undertstanding of people as being wrong (on the Kabaa discussion) where a person may think he knows what the correct understanding/interpretation should be, but he/she could be absolutely wrong.
Thanks for clarifying bro Ayman's insight on how a person might think he is right but they might be wrong.
My point being, if you dislike The Message because it does not conform to your understanding of what should be, that is your absolute right...
Just stop attacking the work every which chance you get (if you have nothing good to say, then say nothing).Yes, just like how Abraham attacked the idols and smashed them.
4148 God does not love that any negative sayings be publicized, except if one is wronged. God is Hearer, Knowledgeable.
The verse you quote is about a personal injustice. I prefer the verses about speaking out against incorrect information etc.
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Yes, just like how Abraham attacked the idols and smashed them.
I am sorry you feel that way. Rather than be supportive of a major project to spread the word of God, you are only spewing venom and hatred, being a hinderer of the message rather than being a neutral, or even, God forbid, a supporter!
3318 God already knows which of you are the hinderers, and those who say to their brothers ?Come and stay with us.? Rarely do they
mobilize for battle.The verse you quote is about a personal injustice. I prefer the verses about speaking out against incorrect information etc.
No worries, I honestly did not expect you to take heed from any verse quoted since your behaviour outlines who you are and what you are about.
3222 And who is more wicked than he who is reminded of the revelations of his Lord, then he turns away from them? We will exact a punishment from the criminals.
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For the record, I was there when Layth made the decision to embark on the translation that went on to become "The Message". It was born out of frustration of the fact that RK's translation wasn't good enough and that people kept using it as they had preferred it to the older translations on the market at the time.
I remember Layth translating chapter by chapter and I did do proofreading on some of the early chapters he translated.
How anyone can say that it was based on RK's work is beyond me.
The reviews on amazon are not a great reference point as many people automatically love to tar you/us/anyone with the brush of Rashad Khalifa if we claim to follow the Quran alone and do not follow hadith. it is a classic way to defame people rather than to deal with us intellectually or using the Quran.
Any time someone says they follow the Quran alone or do not follow hadith, most people will associate those people with the "submitters" or "rashad Khalifa".
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Peace
But it is numbered into Chapters/Surahs and Verses/Ayahs put into specific order.
This is the end product we got, and that is what it says of Itself (as per Allah), is it not enough?
Or do we need also a code 19 on top of that? There is no mention of a code number being used to protect it, 19 or other...If influence of RK was not dominant what was there to suggest "Qur'aan is a numerically structured book-839,20"?
What relation does this have with the Grand Qur'aan to infer "Qur'aan is a numerically structured book" except that RK is whispering.
