If someone kills themselves?
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I know that the Sunni view if someone kills themselves, they go to hell with no chance otherwise.... according to the hadiths.
The Qur'an says we are not supposed to kill ourselves, and I believe it's considered one of the major sins, is that correct?
But what if someone is not mentally stable, and kills themselves? What does the Qur'an say are the unforgivable sins?? -
I know that the Sunni view if someone kills themselves, they go to hell with no chance otherwise.... according to the hadiths.
The Qur'an says we are not supposed to kill ourselves, and I believe it's considered one of the major sins, is that correct?
But what if someone is not mentally stable, and kills themselves? What does the Qur'an say are the unforgivable sins??Do Quranic injunctions apply at all to people with mental instability/ insanity/ other disorders that compromise their ability to reason and/ or think rationally? I thought it only applied to mentally and emotionally capable people?
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Do Quranic injunctions apply at all to people with mental instability/ insanity/ other disorders that compromise their ability to reason and/ or think rationally? I thought it only applied to mentally and emotionally capable people?
But most people commit suicide when they are emotionally unstable.
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Do Quranic injunctions apply at all to people with mental instability/ insanity/ other disorders that compromise their ability to reason and/ or think rationally? I thought it only applied to mentally and emotionally capable people?
That's what I thought too.
My husband thinks that suicide is the "easy way out" and doesn't agree with me that people who commit suicide are not thinking rationally. -
That's what I thought too.
My husband thinks that suicide is the "easy way out" and doesn't agree with me that people who commit suicide are not thinking rationally.Well, I mean, if you look at it, there are rational people who do commit suicide because it is the 'easy way out'
Just think of 'hara-kiri'But most suicides are committed by people experiencing severe depression, or mental disorders.
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That's what I thought too.
My husband thinks that suicide is the "easy way out" and doesn't agree with me that people who commit suicide are not thinking rationally.most people who commit suicide are normal.
Prophet Muhammad also tried to commit suicide several times but fortunately all of them proved only failed attempts.
(Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 87, Number 111, Narrated by 'Aisha)
........" But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while and the Prophet became so sad as we have heard that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains and every time he went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down, Gabriel would appear before him and say, "O Muhammad! You are indeed Allah's Apostle in truth" whereupon his heart would become quiet and he would calm down and would return home. And whenever the period of the coming of the inspiration used to become long, he would do as before, but when he used to reach the top of a mountain, Gabriel would appear before him and say to him what he had said before.....
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most people who commit suicide are normal.
Prophet Muhammad also tried to commit suicide several times but fortunately all of them proved only failed attempts.
(Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 87, Number 111, Narrated by 'Aisha)
........" But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while and the Prophet became so sad as we have heard that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains and every time he went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down, Gabriel would appear before him and say, "O Muhammad! You are indeed Allah's Apostle in truth" whereupon his heart would become quiet and he would calm down and would return home. And whenever the period of the coming of the inspiration used to become long, he would do as before, but when he used to reach the top of a mountain, Gabriel would appear before him and say to him what he had said before.....
That is a lie. The prophet wouldn't commit such a sin.
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That is a lie. The prophet wouldn't commit such a sin.
thus reveals, committing suicide is not a sin. because how prophet would try something that is considered as sin? nope
Gabriel only stopped him saying "O Muhammad! You are indeed Allah's Apostle in truth" because he had a mission ahead of him. Gabriel didn't say "O Muhammad you are committing a sin" ?
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thus reveals, committing suicide is not a sin. because how prophet would try something that is considered as sin? nope
Gabriel only stopped him saying "O Muhammad! You are indeed Allah's Apostle in truth" because he had a mission ahead of him. Gabriel didn't say "O Muhammad you are committing a sin" ?
Selam
This is only true if you actually believe that this took place. This would imply you believe in the hadith which narrates the story. I personally think its not true.
Peace
Hope
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I know that the Sunni view if someone kills themselves, they go to hell with no chance otherwise.... according to the hadiths.
The Qur'an says we are not supposed to kill ourselves, and I believe it's considered one of the major sins, is that correct?
But what if someone is not mentally stable, and kills themselves? What does the Qur'an say are the unforgivable sins??You must first define hell, 'sins', etc
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most people who commit suicide are normal.
Prophet Muhammad also tried to commit suicide several times but fortunately all of them proved only failed attempts.
(Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 87, Number 111, Narrated by 'Aisha)
........" But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while and the Prophet became so sad as we have heard that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains and every time he went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down, Gabriel would appear before him and say, "O Muhammad! You are indeed Allah's Apostle in truth" whereupon his heart would become quiet and he would calm down and would return home. And whenever the period of the coming of the inspiration used to become long, he would do as before, but when he used to reach the top of a mountain, Gabriel would appear before him and say to him what he had said before.....
Thanks for posting this, I am going to pull out my Bukhari collection and look it up.... and then show it to my husband.
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most people who commit suicide are normal.
Prophet Muhammad also tried to commit suicide several times but fortunately all of them proved only failed attempts.
(Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 87, Number 111, Narrated by 'Aisha)
........" But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while and the Prophet became so sad as we have heard that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains and every time he went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down, Gabriel would appear before him and say, "O Muhammad! You are indeed Allah's Apostle in truth" whereupon his heart would become quiet and he would calm down and would return home. And whenever the period of the coming of the inspiration used to become long, he would do as before, but when he used to reach the top of a mountain, Gabriel would appear before him and say to him what he had said before.....
Thanks for posting this, I am going to pull out my Bukhari collection and look it up.... and then show it to my husband.
THIS IS A BLATENT LIE. I CURSE AND CONDEMN WHOEVER CONCOCTED IT AND ALLAH'S CURSE AND CONDEMNATION BE UPON HIM. Allah knew it that Munfiqeen will keep attributing rubbish to His Messenger, therefore, He put it in writing for ever for people to know
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And when You the Messenger do not come to them with a Verse/Ayat, they said, "Why have you not yourself gathered/compiled her/Ayat"
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You the Messenger tell them "Indeed I physically follow in letter and spirit that which is communicated to me from my Sustainer Lord".
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This Grand Qur'aan is from your Sustainer Lord as the "Visualizer"
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A Guide and Mercy/blessing for the believing people.http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/007.%20Al%20Airaaf/007.%20Al%20Airaaf%20R.htm
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I haven't been able to find it in my print version of Bukhari, (the reference given is different than the number system in what I have). I looked all through Vol 9 Book 87 but it's not there. ???
http//www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/087.sbt.html