If someone kills themselves?

san

Peace, just thought i'd share my view,

428 God wants to make easy for you; and humankind was created weak
429 O you who acknowledge, do not consume your money between you unjustly, except through a trade, which is mutually agreed by you. Do not kill yourselves; God is Compassionate towards you.

What does the Qur'an say are the unforgivable sins??

What about these

448 Indeed, Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others with Allah has certainly fabricated a tremendous sin.
4116 Indeed, Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others with Allah has certainly gone far astray.

However, if you can believe in God alone and not kill yourself at the same time, then please just live on...

The worst possible scenario for a suicidist, IMO, is that his/her last mental state is in disbelieve against God, or that he/she has been given chance to follow God's easy way, but he/she chose to follow 'satanic whispers' instead...

Remember, God never advocates sin or something that is bad for us. Who do you think you are following when you are attempting to do a suicide?

I have no experience with someone who tried to kill himself/herself though. Any suggestion as of what to say in such situation? How can you grow up hope into someone who already lost all hope? Or can't you?

Peace,

P.S. I have so many chances to refer to sura AlNisaA' this week...

P.P.S. I have a good idea yeah about those people who intend to suicide --
Let's send them to the most dangerous but noble missions available on earth...
No 100% warranty of death, sure, but at least a high probability of it...
That will surely be a better end for themselves and for their family... and for mankind too

sarah2505

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P.P.S. I have a good idea yeah about those people who intend to suicide --
Let's send them to the most dangerous but noble missions available on earth...
No 100% warranty of death, sure, but at least a high probability of it...
That will surely be a better end for themselves and for their family... and for mankind too

should you be encouraging it?

I mean, the idea of being remembered for a heroic act sounds like an incentive...

aynur

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Thank you. )

unknownuser

Thank you.

my pleasure madame.

RasulAllah said

"Whoever revives a sunnah from my Sunnah and the people practice it, will have the same reward of those that practice it without their reward diminishing."

aynur

What about these

448 Indeed, Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others with Allah has certainly fabricated a tremendous sin.
4116 Indeed, Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others with Allah has certainly gone far astray.

However, if you can believe in God alone and not kill yourself at the same time, then please just live on...

Okay,
I discussed those 2 verses with my husband, he said since it's a translation it doesn't actually mean that, that Arabic is vague, and that I'm missing the whole picture and don't get it. He said I have to ask a scholar. ???
brickwall

san

the idea of being remembered for a heroic act sounds like an incentive...

...or even more than that, promoting shirk!

But why did you get that idea? That's not what i meant...

If it's the 'noble' word, then let me be clear that i was only using it to represent good things/good deeds...

san

Okay,
I discussed those 2 verses with my husband, he said since it's a translation it doesn't actually mean that, that Arabic is vague, and that I'm missing the whole picture and don't get it. He said I have to ask a scholar. ???
brickwall

Peace, aynur

Well, i agree that in the whole picture, 'selfish' suicide is not in line with tawhiyd. However there could be cases where the suicidist believe he is doing the right thing and maintain tawhiyd through his end, don't you think so? God knows best.

Though i can't comment on his argument... a little bit vague to me... Does he always say that, 'it doesn't actually mean that' on every translation he came across?

Peace,

aynur

Peace, aynur

Well, i agree that in the whole picture, 'selfish' suicide is not in line with tawhiyd. However there could be cases where the suicidist believe he is doing the right thing and maintain tawhiyd through his end, don't you think so? God knows best.

Though i can't comment on his argument... a little bit vague to me... Does he always say that, 'it doesn't actually mean that' on every translation he came across?

Peace,

Peace,
Well, his mindset is since the original language is Arabic you can't understand it unless you know Arabic or are a scholar. Even if I show him something in a translation it's like he won't see it even if it's plain as day, because his mind is not open.

I found this on aljazeera


Q. It is said that suicide is forbidden in Islam and that the person who commits suicide is destined to go to hell. Suppose a person is suffering from a severe case of depression, or some other mental disease. Should such a person commit suicide, will he also go to hell?

(Name and address withheld)

A. One thing which people often do is to say that such and such a person will definitely go to heaven or to hell. This is something over which none other than God has any control. So to suggest that such a person goes here or there in the hereafter is an affront to God, because it precipitates His judgment.

There are certain verses of the Qur?an and statements by the Prophet (peace be upon him) which tell us that those who perpetrate certain sins will be punished. But then it is up to God to determine what punishment fits every single case, because God judges us individually, on the basis of His perfect knowledge of our intentions and conditions.

It is true that suicide is strictly forbidden, because it is an affront to God. It is like a person saying to God ?You have given me life and I am taking it away.? This is what is meant by the sacred Hadith in which God is quoted as saying of the one who commits suicide ?My servant has precipitated My will with regard to himself! Therefore, I am forbidding him entry into heaven.? But this Hadith applies to a person in full control of his faculties, suffering no overpowering adversity and having a reasonable life. If such a person commits suicide, then may be God will not allow him in heaven.

A person who commits suicide as a result of a mental disorder like depression or some other severe form of anxiety is not in full control of his senses. We cannot say how God will judge such a person, but we trust to God?s justice, because He does not deal unfairly with anyone. We pray for the person concerned, and request God to forgive him. When a man committed suicide during the Prophet?s lifetime, the Prophet was distressed. He did not perform the janazah prayer for the deceased, but he ordered his companions to do it. When they did, they prayed for the man and requested God?s forgiveness for him. This shows that the Prophet did not exclude the possibility of his being forgiven by God.

My point I want to make with my husband is how can we say FOR SURE that someone is going to hell for committing suicide.

sarah2505

...or even more than that, promoting shirk!

But why did you get that idea? That's not what i meant...

If it's the 'noble' word, then let me be clear that i was only using it to represent good things/good deeds...

good deeds with a high likelihood of getting killed? -\

san

good deeds with a high likelihood of getting killed? -\

Exactly!

Umm, any idea?

san

Peace,
Well, his mindset is since the original language is Arabic you can't understand it unless you know Arabic or are a scholar. Even if I show him something in a translation it's like he won't see it even if it's plain as day, because his mind is not open.

...

My point I want to make with my husband is how can we say FOR SURE that someone is going to hell for committing suicide.

Peace,

So he refuses translation and, let me guess, he refuses learning Arabic?

Hmm, if so that is difficult for you. Just don't keep on brickwall all day D There must be a way (and moment too)

Peace

aynur

Peace,

So he refuses translation and, let me guess, he refuses learning Arabic?

Hmm, if so that is difficult for you. Just don't keep on brickwall all day There must be a way (and moment too)

Peace

Peace, yes, well, he has no interest in learning it.
Yes I think I have a headache. ;D

sarah2505

Exactly!

Umm, any idea?

dunno, rescue missions?

Still, don't you think it's giving people an incentive to give up their lives? The idea of being immortalised by a single act of heroism.

san

dunno, rescue missions?

Still, don't you think it's giving people an incentive to give up their lives? The idea of being immortalised by a single act of ...

...submission instead of heroism, please.

Let's focus on the subject (the submitter) himself and forget about what people would say about his act. It's between him and his God, isn't it?

Yes, giving up earthly life for a better life in the Hereafter--isn't that what submission to God is all about?

The point here is to maintain the state of submission to God alone until death.

Instead of hopeless suicide, point him/her to one last act filled with hope on God.

And if it turns out it's not time for him/her to die anyway, then it is. Doesn't God know better?

And surely he/she will come back "new" from the mission.

Rescue missions are a great idea.

Peace.

sarah2505

Yes, giving up earthly life for a better life in the Hereafter--isn't that what submission to God is all about?
Peace.

Really? Giving up the 'earthly' life, or 'living' in accordance with those rules?
peace

sarah2505

Instead of hopeless suicide, point him/her to one last act filled with hope on God.

And if it turns out it's not time for him/her to die anyway, then it is. Doesn't God know better?

And surely he/she will come back "new" from the mission.

Rescue missions are a great idea.

Peace.

But don't people who go for a 'hopeless suicide' often do so because they are sick of the world? and sick of the people in this world?

san

Really? Giving up the 'earthly' life, or 'living' in accordance with those rules?
peace

What about 'giving up the earthly life' (no, not suicide nor trying to get killed btw) to live in accordance with God's rules. peace don't take it extremely, just my understanding of

632
And not (&#1575 the life of the world (&#1575 except amusement and plaything/diversion, and/but the home of the end (&#1577 is better to those who reverence. Will not you understand?

if you want to read the as interrogative, then you can trans it as

And what is (&#1575 the life of the world (&#1575 except amusement and plaything/diversion? And/but the home of the end (&#1577 is better to those who reverence. Will not you understand?

But don't people who go for a 'hopeless suicide' often do so because they are sick of the world? and sick of the people in this world?

Or just sick of themselves. And that is what need be changed. Hence the rescue mission Of course that will require preparation on their side...

'Help others when you are most in need'?