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Has anyone here read the bible?

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    unknownuser
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    To annoy everyone

    seems like you know everyone here... -\

    he was asking me madame, but anyways, give me one example that I have ever annoyed anyone? but there is good news for you! I'll be visiting this forum till the end of this year and not any more. handshake

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      Bigmo
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      I live in a place where a Bible in my hands can be a problem. However I promised myself that I will read the OT and NT when I escape from Sunnistan (

      This subject is a contentious one here, especially regarding the OT since many things there cause people to cringe. However I think that the NT is less problematic for a lot of people. Many aspects of the OT reminds people of the hadith canons and that makes them cringe. However I think the emphasis should be not what we think but WHAT DOES THE QURAN THINK abut the previous scriptures and I have not seen that debate here taken seriously once again because of OT phobia.

      But I will say this. If you want to be a serious Quranist then you need to have a throrough understanding of the OT and NT and Judaic and Christian traditions as well as pagan traditions. Thats if you want to be a serious Quranist, meaning actvist. Its not easy to do away with the OT. Many early Christians wanted to but couldn't.

      To be fair though many OT prophets and stories are in the Quran so I understand why many Quranist would not bother. But to be an actvist you must know it well since many Quranic verses could only be understood if you have knowledge of the OT and the Talmud. Maybe not an expert knowledge but at least a thorough understanding.

      Its something I am going to have to do but not now. Internet has good sources but its never the same as reading it yourself since you will get the feel and overall picture and not bits and pieces as you get in the internet.

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        Rev_John
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        I live in a place where a Bible in my hands can be a problem. However I promised myself that I will read the OT and NT when I escape from Sunnistan (

        This subject is a contentious one here, especially regarding the OT since many things there cause people to cringe. However I think that the NT is less problematic for a lot of people. Many aspects of the OT reminds people of the hadith canons and that makes them cringe. However I think the emphasis should be not what we think but WHAT DOES THE QURAN THINK abut the previous scriptures and I have not seen that debate here taken seriously once again because of OT phobia.

        But I will say this. If you want to be a serious Quranist then you need to have a throrough understanding of the OT and NT and Judaic and Christian traditions as well as pagan traditions. Thats if you want to be a serious Quranist, meaning actvist. Its not easy to do away with the OT. Many early Christians wanted to but couldn't.

        To be fair though many OT prophets and stories are in the Quran so I understand why many Quranist would not bother. But to be an actvist you must know it well since many Quranic verses could only be understood if you have knowledge of the OT and the Talmud. Maybe not an expert knowledge but at least a thorough understanding.

        Its something I am going to have to do but not now. Internet has good sources but its never the same as reading it yourself since you will get the feel and overall picture and not bits and pieces as you get in the internet.

        bravo

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          belH
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          Selam

          I have read some of it but not all. Currently I am reading 'The King James Version of the
          Holy Bible'.

          I have currently read this and it puzzles me

          Genesis {179} And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my
          covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their
          generations. {1710} This my covenant, which ye shall
          keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every
          man child among you shall be circumcised. {1711} And ye
          shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a
          token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

          Who is this command for? I ask because christians do not perform circumcision.

          Peace,

          This is my believe in regard of this issue
          Circumcision is a very complected operation that involves many precise steps; and therefore, the Hebrew word "emul", which is translated to Circumcise, is not sufficient enough to refer to such a complicated operations. Unless, Prophet Abraham had performed it before, which I do not believe.
          I believe that Circumcision is an old Egyptian Culture that the Jews inherited after they lived with them for more than 600 years.
          http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/Egypt_circ.jpg

          Peace

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            Ahmad_Bilal
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            I'll be visiting this forum till the end of this year and not any more.

            Why are you leaving the forum?

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              hope4
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              Peace,

              This is my believe in regard of this issue
              Circumcision is a very complected operation that involves many precise steps; and therefore, the Hebrew word "emul", which is translated to Circumcise, is not sufficient enough to refer to such a complicated operations. Unless, Prophet Abraham had performed it before, which I do not believe.
              I believe that Circumcision is an old Egyptian Culture that the Jews inherited after they lived with them for more than 600 years.
              http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/Egypt_circ.jpg

              Peace

              Selam BelH

              I have heard in this forum that there is no evidence that the Jews lived with the Egyptians.

              Peace

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                belH
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                Selam BelH

                I have heard in this forum that there is no evidence that the Jews lived with the Egyptians.

                Peace

                Peace,
                The quranic, NT, and OT facts shows otherwise; please read Yousuf Chapter and you will note that this was the beginning of their Migration to Egypt, and then read Moses stories and you will note when they migrated back to the Promised Land.
                Thank you

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                  nsws1988
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                  Peace,
                  The quranic, NT, and OT facts shows otherwise; please read Yousuf Chapter and you will note that this was the beginning of their Migration to Egypt, and then read Moses stories and you will note when they migrated back to the Promised Land.
                  Thank you

                  Peace

                  I've read something that said that the word 'misr' actually means market or something like that and not the name of a country. Have you heard about this? If so, what are your views?

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                    Bobo
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                    bible? not really. unless you count the songs they sing in church. growing up we used to go to church once/twice a year for a couple of years, if i remember right we used to sing songs from the psalm. Dunno if that's the same thing - it was a long time ago.

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                      unknownuser
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                      Peace,

                      I've read something that said that the word 'misr' actually means market or something like that and not the name of a country. Have you heard about this? If so, what are your views?

                      See, Amarna letters/tablets found in modern name Akhetaten founded by pharaoh Akhenaten (1350s ? 1330s BCE)
                      Encyclopedia of el-Amarna Contains summaries of the letters.
                      http//www.specialtyinterests.net/eae.html

                      Rib Addi to a chief
                      EA#95 vd(53) mentions Aman and Baalat of Gubla; mentions houses, Amri, Adi-, king of Mt, Ami; says `Let g (sar) of Eypt (Miisri) sen hs deputy to me'

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                        nsws1988
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                        Peace,

                        See, Amarna letters/tablets found in modern name Akhetaten founded by pharaoh Akhenaten (1350s ? 1330s BCE)
                        Encyclopedia of el-Amarna Contains summaries of the letters.
                        http//www.specialtyinterests.net/eae.html

                        Rib Addi to a chief
                        EA#95 vd(53) mentions Aman and Baalat of Gubla; mentions houses, Amri, Adi-, king of Mt, Ami; says `Let g (sar) of Eypt (Miisri) sen hs deputy to me'

                        Interesting handshake

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                          MUNZIR_ALI
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                          As a God-alone Christian I feel a close relationship with Quran-alone, God-alone Muslims. A dialog between the two can only benefit both with a result that we can throw off our differences and pre-existing bias to bring us even closer. What is your real purpose on this forum?

                          group yes I agree. I find this forum to be rich in knowledge.

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                            MUNZIR_ALI
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                              Bigmo
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                              Selam

                              I have read some of it but not all. Currently I am reading 'The King James Version of the
                              Holy Bible'.

                              I have currently read this and it puzzles me

                              Genesis {179} And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my
                              covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their
                              generations. {1710} This my covenant, which ye shall
                              keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every
                              man child among you shall be circumcised. {1711} And ye
                              shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a
                              token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

                              Who is this command for? I ask because christians do not perform circumcision.

                              That command was a test as the Quran says about the Sabbath and also the slaughtering of the cow was a test and so was eating from the forbidden fruit(Adam)

                              91.11. The Thamud rejected through their inordinate wrong-doing,

                              1. Behold, the most wicked man among them was deputed .

                              2. But the Messenger of God said to them "It is a She-camel of God And having her drink!"

                              3. Then they rejected him , and they hamstrung her. So their Lord, on account of their crime, obliterated their traces and made them equal !

                              4. And for Him is no fear of its consequences.

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                                hope4
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                                That command was a test as the Quran says about the Sabbath and also the slaughtering of the cow was a test and so was eating from the forbidden fruit(Adam)

                                Selam Bigmo

                                A test for whom?

                                Peace

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                                  morninglight
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                                  I have read much of it.

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