Taking off the Hijab
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you did it make it global, you said plenty like all Moroccan girls have immigrated to uk (by the way uk is not a place to immigrate to it).
how many girls you see ? (plenty!!!)
most of girls from Morocco their destination is france.
42% of women in uk have admited that they slept with more than one man in the same time >>>disgusting.
http//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/177333.stm
Yes, they are not Muslims, so I will not expect that they will be safe mentaly, they are free and they can do anything sleep with that guy but marry that one.
next time, pick up your words or even pick up the right post you want to quote.
since when did 42% equal the 'majority'?? Since when did sleeping with more than one man make one a prostitute? a prostitute sleeps with men, ANY man and MANY men, for MONEY.
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Dear Leyna
Not only are you missing the point, but some of the nonsense and assumptions that you are starting to babble is really an eye opener for me and a sign of either desperation or sheer stupidity (with all due respect). I stated before not to stereotype, but maybe you don't understand what this word means.
ster?e?o?type (str--tp, st?r-)
noun- A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image.
- One that is regarded as embodying or conforming to a set image or type.
You make ludicrous allegations in your tirade using the words Emotional, Defensive, Aggressive, Intimidation and Mocking, once again working on assumptions. Damn, if everything can evolve around Egypt and 'only women experience harassment' in your eyes, what the hell was I expecting from you? A new definition and way of solving the negative exponent on the bottom of a fraction?
Where on earth have you been and what post have you been reading?
What you must try to understand because I know it can be difficult once you are in the 'stereotyping' mode, is that I am a man speaking direct to the point. Not one of your female friends, saying one thing but meaning another. There is no secret code here. Trust me.
Just in case you didn't get it last time, I will repeat again, I couldn't give a flying f@@@ about what women wear or what they don't want to wear.
You seem to have a problem with anyone who condones the 'hijab' but are all for anyone who condemns the 'hijab', because this is the NEW way of thinking and interpreting in your eyes. As though the last 1400 years or so has kept women in the dark ages and now you are a bastion of light and freedom for all Muslim women who want to make a change and take a stance. You cannot fix something which isn't broke and neither can you perfect something which is already perfected.
Read
53 ...................... This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Unfortunately, your totally off cue assumption or shall I say lack of understanding of my posts, once again confirm to me that you believe that 'hijab' is oppression because it is not mentioned in the Quran, when quite clearly it is, but you cannot accept it, so in order to get your comfort zone, you sweepingly assume 'it doesn't say so and it is a manmade notion' disrespecting all women who do observe 'hijab' in the process.
On a final note, you can run down the street fully clothed, naked, semi naked, with 'hijab', without 'hijab' doing cartwheels and backflips screaming that all men are bas@@@rds and long live the Queen. Because it won't have the slightest effect on me, my lifestyle, my way of thinking, my household or anything else that involves me.
Peace
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Muslim men married to 4 wives sleep with more than one woman at a time, by your logic deformer, they are also prostitutes rotfl
thats certified! big difference!
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thats certified! big difference!
no difference, a man sleeps with more than one woman at a time or a woman sleeps with more than one man at a time, same thing, just because some men see this as a right doesnt make it right........but thats another topic.........its till one person sleeping with more than one partner.
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So the Quran was once again wrong in giving this option to the Believers.
So any man who has more than one wife, the ones after the 1st wife are all prostitutes?
My understanding of the definition of prostitute was someone who offers indiscriminately for sexual intercourse especially for money.
Wasn't aware of wives being prostitutes with their husbands.
Or is this a modern new interpretation using the root word.
Peace
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My understanding of the definition of prostitute was someone who offers indiscriminately for sexual intercourse especially for money.
yea, not just money, but for rewards, of different kinds, and sometimes the reward is just the satisfaction of certain desires.
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So the Quran was once again wrong in giving this option to the Believers.
So any man who has more than one wife, the ones after the 1st wife are all prostitutes?
My understanding of the definition of prostitute was someone who offers indiscriminately for sexual intercourse especially for money.
Wasn't aware of wives being prostitutes with their husbands.
Or is this a modern new interpretation using the root word.
Peace
I was using reformers logic not mine and I was referring to the man being a prostitute not the wives as he is the one sleeping with more than one at a time. read reformers claim, its using his deformed logic.
Quran didnt give this option to all believers, but thats another topic ;D
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If you feel a sexual attraction with every woman that is not a ghost princess then I suggest you get some help. This is the problem not that we don't want to cover our hair.
You poor girl... you don't know men at all. But they would be ashamed to tell you that. I'm slightly effeminate, so I'm not going to tell it straight.
If you knew what men were thinking around you... woah would your hand be sore by the end of the day.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9x5wY6hbX8
Sexual attraction to women is natural in men, it's the first desire made in men by allah.
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http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9x5wY6hbX8
rotfl
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2430 Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and keep covered their private parts, for that is purer for them. God is fully aware of what you do.
Read it again mr... it says "Tell the believers (masculine)...", not "The believers lower their gaze". Because if they did then never would you have love and relationships.
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bravo
I can't see why FAR can't see a modestly dressed women who has her hair uncovered as anything but a sexual object.
So you think I look like a person that would even think of women as sex objects? No... that is sex is what men consider when around a woman. I rather get nervous and try not to think about it, and just swallow.
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oh I do understand sir, I understand because our local veg man felt the need to touch me while I was fully covered and during Ramadan, I understand because the man who collects the rubbish felt the need to put his foot in the door and try to get inside, with his dick in his hand under his galabaya, also during Ramadan, I understand because the local butcher felt the need to grab me from behind while the Quran was playing on the tv in his shop, I fully understand that its MEN that have a problem and not me who needs to cover myself up, all these happened while in a MUSLIM country while I WAS wearing the hijab. >
Being in a "muslim" country... may not make the people muslims.
As for muslim countries, please refer to the following on how such men are likely to rape their own daughters, and then kill them in the name of honor killing.
http//monitor.newsvine.com/_news/2006/11/28/460788-turkeys-kurds-satellite-tv-and-incest
And what so called muslim country is this? And why haven't you learned any self defence or know of beating up such people?
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I can fully relate to that, having experienced similar things.
About 90% of the women in Egypt cover their head or more, yet sexual harassment is a daily occurence for almost every female there. So the argument that hijab prevents harassment in any way is ridiculous. In fact, it increases it because women are being made responsible and men are being told that it is normal to leer at and harass women. They are given a free pass, so to speak.
nopeIn regards to the original subject ... I never understood why hijab has to be an all-or-nothing issue. Once you decide to wear it, you can not take it off and vice versa. Why?
Obviously everyone's understanding of it varies, depending on how we interpret the verses in question, where we live etc. So why not experiment with different ways of covering until you find what suits you best?
peace
Hijab is the SECOND THING, the first thing is to TELL THE BELIEVERS (MASCULINE) TO LOWER THEIR GAZE AND ETC ETC.
Why don't you get that unless muslimahs open their mouths and give men the quran, as a good friend would, that they'd do as the porn channels would have them after they watched them. I'm glad I've been around good muslimahs who've told me to lower my gaze if they found me obviously glaring at women or themselves. Alhamdulillah!
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Being in a "muslim" country... may not make the people muslims.
As for muslim countries, please refer to the following on how such men are likely to rape their own daughters, and then kill them in the name of honor killing.
http//monitor.newsvine.com/_news/2006/11/28/460788-turkeys-kurds-satellite-tv-and-incest
Yes I know first hand of the hypocrisy in muslim countries.And what so called muslim country is this?
This so called muslim country is Egypt
And why haven't you learned any self defence or know of beating up such people?
I was hijabi, not ninja. Now I carry a knife.
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Hijab is the SECOND THING, the first thing is to TELL THE BELIEVERS (MASCULINE) TO LOWER THEIR GAZE AND ETC ETC.
Why don't you get that unless muslimahs open their mouths and give men the quran, as a good friend would, that they'd do as the porn channels would have them after they watched them. I'm glad I've been around good muslimahs who've told me to lower my gaze if they found me obviously glaring at women or themselves. Alhamdulillah!
So again you think its down to the woman to remind you? I thought it was supposed to be women that needed reminding of things.
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You make ludicrous allegations in your tirade using the words Emotional, Defensive, Aggressive, Intimidation and Mocking, once again working on assumptions.
I am not "working on assumptions" but my replies were based on your posts, which are there in black and white for everyone to see.
Ad-hominem attacks, insults etc. are a clear sign of being over-emotional and not able to hold a discussion in an appropriate manner. Quod erat demonstrandum.
Damn, if everything can evolve around Egypt and 'only women experience harassment' in your eyes, what the hell was I expecting from you? A new definition and way of solving the negative exponent on the bottom of a fraction?
I explained to you why I gave the example of harassment in Egypt. If you still conclude from that that "everything revolves around Egypt", I can't help it. Believe what you want to believe.
What you must try to understand because I know it can be difficult once you are in the 'stereotyping' mode, is that I am a man speaking direct to the point. Not one of your female friends, saying one thing but meaning another. There is no secret code here. Trust me.
Who is using stereotypes now? What in the world makes you believe I have female friends who "tell me one thing and mean another"? Where does that come from?
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FYI ... I have female and male friends who tell me their opinion straight in the face.Just in case you didn't get it last time, I will repeat again, I couldn't give a flying f@@@ about what women wear or what they don't want to wear.
Oh really? Then what are you doing in this thread, and why do you keep telling us we should wear hijab, and repeatedly giving the example that your female relatives do so with pride?
hmmYou seem to have a problem with anyone who condones the 'hijab' but are all for anyone who condemns the 'hijab', because this is the NEW way of thinking and interpreting in your eyes. As though the last 1400 years or so has kept women in the dark ages and now you are a bastion of light and freedom for all Muslim women who want to make a change and take a stance.
Unfortunately, your totally off cue assumption or shall I say lack of understanding of my posts, once again confirm to me that you believe that 'hijab' is oppression
Those are your assumptions. I made it perfectly clear that I don't see anyone who wears hijab as oppressed or backwards. If you want to believe otherwise, be my guest.