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    unknownuser
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    These are hadith, i do not believe the prophet said these, he was not a rediculous man!

    ahadith are the sayings of the prophet! and whatever you don't agree with doesn't mean prophet didn't say that. Please be reasonable!

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      Thereformer1
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      Ah, the secret PM admirers who write to the scheikh for advice but, strangely enough, never speak their mind in public. rotfl

      I'm not sheikh, so stop disrespect me or I swear you'll see How rude I can be .

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        Ayisha
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        ahadith are the sayings of the prophet! and whatever you don't agree with doesn't mean prophet didn't say that. Please be reasonable!

        No hadith are 'reportedly' sayings of the prophet written by men and collected by men that were not even born within 200 years of the prophet, the prophet that said DO NOT take anything from me but Quran, the prophet that followed Allah and would NEVER have added anything to Islam, the prophet that followed the sunnah of Allah and lived by the hadith of Allah!

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          Ayisha
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          I'm not sheikh, so stop disrespect me or I swear you'll see How rude I can be .

          now the threats & rotfl rotfl bring on the scientists rotfl rotfl

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            Thereformer1
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            if thats what the prophet said then there must have been some reason. dear sister prophet would not ask you to do anything that is wrong! please think about it.

            You didn't answer her .

            Anyways the story in hadith talks about a child( 8 years to 12 years old ) and when a child according to this time in the existence of the prophet they consider him as a man, and this child was getting in the home of this woman who came to ask the prophet about what she must do, then he laughed and he said that she can breastfeed him for one reason to be haram for her, he will not touch her or even think about her or even dream about her because she is Typically like his mom . the hadith translated in a wrong way .

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              Thereformer1
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              now the threats & rotfl rotfl bring on the scientists rotfl rotfl

              keep laughing, you have already got =/=nice words from me.

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                Ayisha
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                You didn't answer her .

                Anyways the story in hadith talks about a child( 8 years to 12 years old ) and when a child according to this time in the existence of the prophet they consider him as a man, and this child was getting in the home of this woman who came to ask the prophet about what she must do, then he laughed and he said that she can breastfeed him for one reason to be haram for her, he will not touch her or even think about her or even dream about her because she is Typically like his mom . the hadith translated in a wrong way .

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                where does it say it was a child? Why would one suckle an 8 - 12 year old boy and what is to stop people referring this to a grown man, as happened in the fatwa?

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                  unknownuser
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                  You didn't answer her .

                  Anyways the story in hadith talks about a child( 8 years to 12 years old ) and when a child according to this time in the existence of the prophet they consider him as a man, and this child was getting in the home of this woman who came to ask the prophet about what she must do, then he laughed and he said that she can breastfeed him for one reason to be haram for her, he will not touch her or even think about her or even dream about her because she is Typically like his mom . the hadith translated in a wrong way .

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                  brother, do you think these people don't know it? of course they do but its just they find it a sacred duty to oppose everything said by the Prophet. Thanks

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                    Ayisha
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                    keep laughing, you have already got =/=nice words from me.

                    stop showing disrespect to others yet insisting on respect for yourself.

                    I will keep laughing, I am a happy person, that haram too is it? rotfl

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                      Ayisha
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                      brother, do you think these people don't know it? of course they do but its just they find it a sacred duty to oppose everything said by the Prophet. Thanks

                      I will oppose what I think is against Quran AND the prophets.

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                        Thereformer1
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                        where does it say it was a child? Why would one suckle an 8 - 12 year old boy and what is to stop people referring this to a grown man, as happened in the fatwa?

                        I don't know what fatwa are you talking about ? anyways she (the woman who asked the prophet) came to ask him about a child (8 to 12 years old) she typically didn't breasfeed him, she just gave him her breast and he put his mouth on it like a baby when he suckled from his mother, for one reason to make the woman haram for him because she at this time turned into his wet-Nurse(Mom in reda3a) and why haram for him because as I said someone in his 8s considered him as a man at this age, and he might get sexual desires about this woman in her home which was the home where he liked to play in it or enter it, so by touching her breast using his mouth , she became legaly Haram for him. the only person who can get breastfeed is the baby because God gave him a gift in suckling, and this gift will disappear by time when the baby grow up, so even a man wants a breastfeed, he will just hurt his woman and even he will not like what he will get (a breast cancer rotfl).

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                          Leyna
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                          the only person who can get breastfeed is the baby because God gave him a gift in suckling, and this gift will disappear by time when the baby grow up, so even a man wants a breastfeed, he will just hurt his woman and even he will not like what he will get (a breast cancer rotfl).

                          Wrong. There are adults who are into suckling as a sexual thing.

                          Warning! The link contains material that might be offensive to some.

                          Erotic Lactation between partners or an Adult Nursing Relationship (ANR) may develop from natural breastfeeding of a baby. During the lactation period the partner starts to suckle on the female breast, and continues after the baby is weaned off. Milk production is continually stimulated and the milk flow continues. According to the book "Body parts critical explorations in corporeality", adult nursing may occur when an "individual, usually a mother, may choose to continue lactating after weaning a child, so that she avoids the significant physical challenge that inducing lactation can entail."

                          However, milk production can be "artificially" and intentionally induced in the absence of any pregnancy in the woman. This is called induced lactation, while a woman who has lactated before and re-starts is said to relactate. This can be done by regularly sucking on the nipples (several times a day), massaging and squeezing the female breasts or with additional help from temporary use of milk-inducing drugs, such as the Dopamine antagonist Domperidone. In principle?with considerable patience and perseverance?it is possible to induce lactation by sucking on the nipples alone.

                          It is not necessary that the woman has ever been pregnant, and she can be well in her post-menopausal period. Once established, lactation adjusts to demand. As long as there is regular breast stimulation, lactation is possible.

                          http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_lactation

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                            nsws1988
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                            Thereformer1 - that's very disturbing.

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                              unknownuser
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                              Thereformer1 - that's very disturbing.

                              sister Leyna posted that link not brother Thereformer1!

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                                Ayisha
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                                I don't know what fatwa are you talking about ?
                                the one that Leyna posted on page 10 that your selective blindness missed

                                According to Islamic tradition, or Hadith, breast-feeding establishes a degree of maternal relation, even if a woman nurses a child who is not biologically hers.

                                In his fatwa, Dr Atiya, the head of al-Azhar's Department of Hadith, said such teachings could equally apply to adults.

                                He said that if a woman fed a male colleague "directly from her breast" at least five times they would establish a family bond and thus be allowed to be alone together at work.

                                "Breast feeding an adult puts an end to the problem of the private meeting, and does not ban marriage," he ruled.

                                "A woman at work can take off the veil or reveal her hair in front of someone whom she breastfed."

                                http//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6681511.stm

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                                  the one that Leyna posted on page 10 that your selective blindness missed
                                  According to Islamic tradition, or Hadith, breast-feeding establishes a degree of maternal relation, even if a woman nurses a child who is not biologically hers.
                                  In his fatwa, Dr Atiya, the head of al-Azhar's Department of Hadith, said such teachings could equally apply to adults.
                                  He said that if a woman fed a male colleague "directly from her breast" at least five times they would establish a family bond and thus be allowed to be alone together at work.
                                  "Breast feeding an adult puts an end to the problem of the private meeting, and does not ban marriage," he ruled.
                                  "A woman at work can take off the veil or reveal her hair in front of someone whom she breastfed."
                                  http//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6681511.stm

                                  ok, that's make sense, I know why they said these things. Anyways I've explained to you the hadith that you've stated, so no more blaming of hadith, because there is no relation between the hadith and the fatwa .

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                                    Ayisha
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                                    ok, that's make sense, I know why they said these things. Anyways I've explained to you the hadith that you've stated, so no more blaming of hadith, because there is no relation between the hadith and the fatwa .

                                    care to tell us why that said these things?

                                    so now they make fatwas NOT based on hadith OR Quran, interesting ???

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                                      nsws1988
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                                      sister Leyna posted that link not brother Thereformer1!

                                      I was referring to what he said.

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                                        Thereformer1
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                                        Wrong. There are adults who are into suckling as a sexual thing.

                                        why do you say wrong ? because of wiki doctor . I said the baby the only person who can suckle milk, A man can not and even if he treid he would suckle liquids mostly a kind of water, in addition to this he will hurt the woman and cause severe wounds can affect illness in her breast .

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                                          Ayisha
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                                          why do you say wrong ? because of wiki doctor . I said the baby the only person who can suckle milk, A man can not and even if he treid he would suckle liquids mostly a kind of water, in addition to this he will hurt the woman and cause severe wounds can affect illness in her breast .

                                          wow what an uninformed statement!

                                          If the woman HAS milk in her breast the man suckling with GET milk from her breast. Suckling does not cause cancer nor does it cause harm or severe wounds. where on earth do you get your information from?

                                          to add, if a woman HAS milk in her breast it doesnt even take suckling to make it flow! if a woman HAS NO milk in her breast then no amount of sucking even from a baby is going to draw anything.

                                          I will let you in on a little secret, women ONLY produce milk AFTER having a baby, no baby=no milk. It eventually dries up when the baby (grown muslim man) stops sucking. Wet nurses are women who have had babies and KEPT ON FEEDING so the milk keeps producing. So according to the fatwa AND the hadith this can only be done properly (ie draw milk) if the woman is still producing milk, otherwise they are allowing a grown man to suck their breasts which is haram is they are not married! THAT is why these hadith and this fatwa are rediculous! What will you do if you want your friends round while your wife is in the house and you pop out to the shop, allow then all to have a go at sucking her breasts so they can stay inside while you are out??

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