Some more challenge for Arab linguists
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Due complete lack of responses to linguistic questions. I would like to find out from respected members of this forum, how do they satisfy/justify their understanding of the message? Whatever, that understanding may be. In addition could such understanding be called theirs own?
Peace.
Badar
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It seems to me that the learned people who know Arabic or are Arabs are not responding because you have written something strange, where Aleph has a Fatah and above fatha you have placed hamza. Spell it correctly or import the image of the word from there where you have found it.
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As pointed out above, is a verb, whereas (with tanween) is a noun which describes this verb.
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As pointed out above, is a verb, whereas (with tanween) is a noun which describes this verb.
Visit www.studyquran.co.uk for resources on the Arabic language, this site has some of the most comprehensive tools available on the net.
Perfect or imperfect or imperative verb? First person or second person or third person? What is the act of the verb?
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Please share your understanding as to word is a noun or verb? or else it is neither of these two. Thanks in advance.
Badar
is composed of two parts (wich means father) and a "grammatical "
the second word (lahab ) means "flame".
So "Abi lahab" means literarly father of the flame.Let me explain
I bet everyone here knows the infamous abou hurayra , translated as ''father of a little cat'' . it has the same form as "abou lahab" . (BTW, we should not translate them because they are kind of compound names/nicknames used by the arabs to show repect or to differenciate between people with the same first name or even for fun).
Now this form of nicknaming may have 3 grammatical "states"
1- Marfoo3 , ie .when standalone or in the beginning of the sentence.
(Abou lahab .... Abou hurayra
2- Mansoob , When used as complement of a verb (ex I killed Abaa lahab .... I hate Abaa hurayra)3- Majroor , after some grammatical particles. (i dont agree with Abii lahab.... i will start by Abii hurayra)
so it is a noun , not a verb )
Hope this helps ..
Salam
P.S my english is not as rich as my arabic, so excuse me if i didn't use the correct words to express my answer.
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The blind should not lead the blind.
This can be said only when one is in a mindless state.
The blind cannot lead only the blind hearted, what to say of a blind man, even the Messenger of Allah, despite being the most capably seeing one, cannot lead the blind hearted.
The beauty of Arabic language of Qur'aan is that it teaches and makes people learn even by seeing its written text.
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Peace,
The blind should not lead the blind.
Also Most Arabic words will have atleast 3 letters in their root (counting that one letter is being doubled, shadda being, sheen, dal, dal) No Arabic word has a two letter root. None.
Godbless,
AnwarPeace, may be the Arabic grammar books and Lexicons, I am reading were written by people, who were smoking Pot. What I have read so far that the Classic Arabic has only three kinds of words; the noun, verb and particle. Invariably, almost all particles I have come across so far, are based upon two letter/alphabet root. In addition there are still few lucky nouns left as well. For which no body has twisted arm of grammar of Arabic to fit those into three letter root paradigm. For example "possessor or owner", "a thing" and "the mouth", just to name few.
is composed of two parts (wich means father) and a "grammatical "
the second word (lahab ) means "flame".
So "Abi lahab" means literarly father of the flame.Let me explain
I bet everyone here knows the infamous abou hurayra , translated as ''father of a little cat'' . it has the same form as "abou lahab" . (BTW, we should not translate them because they are kind of compound names/nicknames used by the arabs to show repect or to differenciate between people with the same first name or even for fun).
Now this form of nicknaming may have 3 grammatical "states"
1- Marfoo3 , ie .when standalone or in the beginning of the sentence.
(Abou lahab .... Abou hurayra
2- Mansoob , When used as complement of a verb (ex I killed Abaa lahab .... I hate Abaa hurayra)3- Majroor , after some grammatical particles. (i dont agree with Abii lahab.... i will start by Abii hurayra)
so it is a noun , not a verb
Hope this helps ..
Salam
P.S my english is not as rich as my arabic, so excuse me if i didn't use the correct words to express my answer.
The red in above is what I called twisting the arm of Arabic grammar to make it fit to the agenda or meanings of interest. Why only here a yaa is used as a sign of jar? Whereas, standard rule for indicating a noun to be Majroor is by tenween of kesra. Why not it is a verb, as is present in Lane with same spelling? Or an alif of interogation meaning "which, what etc" followed by two letter root of present in Lane again meaning as, "made manifest and evident"?
Badar
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badar,
Quickduck is correct. You are mistaken. I'm not sure of your thinking process but something is skewed. As for dhoo and hunna, these are not based on roots. Nor are huwa, heya or hum. As for Fam. I never checked to see if it was derived from a root, but not all Arabic words are derived from roots. You will not find roots for ji'ah or yad (although ayyada is verb derived from yad, not the other way around). Sometimes you will find words like these that originated with a certain root, however they have diverged completely. Other times you will find that some of these words have weak initial radicals or third radicals that drop. Not everything in Arabic is going to be mathematical. In every langauge there are always exceptions, irregularities and oddities. But Arabic is one of the langauges that has few of these compared to other languages.
Godbless,
Anwar -
Peace, please bring forward your arguments in suppport and not just the verdict.
Badar
Peace,
i was born arabic speaker, i don't need to bring any argument.
Who can see any verb in the name of Abou/abaa/abii hurayra ?? You ??
So, you better change your signature because you're far far away from respecting it !salam,
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Peace,
i was born arabic speaker, i don't need to bring any argument.
Salam
It is a little arrogant, as not every one on this forum was born arabic. More over all are trying to learn here, I hope.
Any way, if any one can reveiw the following link and shed some light for our learning sake onlyhttp//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000049.pdf
With peace and due repcect
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Salam
It is a little arrogant, as not every one on this forum was born arabic....
With peace and due repcectPeace,
I've never meant to be arrogant. Please read the thread from the beginning to figure out who was so!.... More over, all are trying to learn here, I hope.
With peace and due repcect
Yes..but i think some wants to teach, albeit i gave a clear answer.....
salam
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Peace,
Quickduck, you are completely correct about your conclusions. So that you didn't sound arrogant to non-Arabic speakers (dialect or otherwise) you should have pointed to the fact that you were educated in Arabic and were born into an Arabic speaking family. To be honest, you might have been born into a family that speaks Arabic dialects but not the Classical Arabic of the Jahiliyyah and the Quran as is the case for most Arabs. So I'm not knocking you, as again you are much more correct than Badar. (honestly I don't even understand what Badar's motives are, as they don't seem to be education). But being born an Arabic speaker (technically no one is born speaking any language, but they are born into a family that speaks a certain language) doesn't automatically make you a qualified expert on Arabic grammar. Believe me I've seen it many times with people born into Arabic speaking families or countries. It's more about how you were educated in Classical Arabic (since first grade, your father or mother taught you (not a dialect but Classical), kindergarten, in a university, etc., etc) that makes you qualified.
Godbless,
Anwar -
Peace,
you are exactly right,
i was born into an dialectal arabic speaking family and in a dialectal arabic country (ie. Morocco) but i had the luck that my father had me learn classical arabic since my young age (i was reading jahiliya poetry when i was 9)
but this is not what it takes to answer to badar's post.
Badar wanted to know if the word in "Abii lahab/ Abii hurayra" was a name or a verb ?It is like asking an english man where is the verb in the word ''GodFather" or "babyface" ?
I replied kindly and clearly, then, most of the members who read this thread understood what i wrote, and even admitted their mistake, except Badar...that's why you and i are asking what is his real purpose of posting this question at the first place !!
Salam