Physics proving the god
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Salaam OPF,
the universe is not abstract mathematics, its a perception reactive manifestation, this generates physical predetermined results from action, known as evidence through this predetermination, you do not include evidence in your investigations how ever limited, so in effect accept only that your peers propagate, but that is not my problem, and you do not have any interest in investigating the truth only attempting to express the dogma of your peers.
Actually abstract mathematics is merely a tool to express the words you speak. We can say "Perception reactive manifestation", but does that help when we are trying to build telescopes and computers? Not really, you need to put it into numbers.
Funnily enough, what you describe as "perception reactive manifestation" is identical to the abstract mathematical concept of taking the initial wavefunction of a system then integrating (i.e. summing up all the states in between) to get to the now. If you imagine how the wavefunction evolves over time, new constraints (reaction) are imposed (manifested) on the moment from the previous states (perception).
There is a very fundamental link between the kind of spirituality and "conventional physics" but you will not see that until you open your mind to accepting that the universe can be described in abstract mathematics. The confusion in abstract mathematics comes from the lack of understanding of it, it is EXACTLY as clear as "2+2=4" when you get round to understanding it.
However there is no definite predestination. Instead, at each new instant of time things are simply allowed to "be" and if they choose a path that God does not like, in the next instant that path is then forbidden. Think about this verse
041.011 Then He directed Himself to the heaven and it is a vapor, so He said to it and to the earth Come both, willingly or unwillingly. They both said We come willingly.
Also refer to the other verses, for instance those of the "great Shout" (7913) or in general, things like so. What is a "shout"? A vibration. What is a vibration? An oscillation. What is an oscillation? A wave. And this is where QM enters the picture. It is clear to me that God is looking for something in particular and when he finds this, that is when judgement will commence because he then has conceptualised eternity, the universe awakens within its own Self. He will then send a single ripple through the universe that will transform it into judgement time. Ironically this will be the FIRST instance of God demonstrating his newly built "eternity supercomputer". It does not change that God is all-powerful, all-knowing, etc because when you say "all-knowing" in this universe, the limit of "knowing all" is not "knowing every possibility" but rather every realistically concievable possibility. There are actually no paradoxes involved whatsoever when you actually consider these things in depth.
Bill Hicks got it in one - "Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather".
Peace, I hope this makes things somewhat clearer. The more I learn about physics, the less "faith" I need to believe in God's existence.
Also perpetual motion is a direct violation of Allah's command in the quran that nothing in existence can create or destroy a thing, it can only manipulate.
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YUSUFALI But there is a ban on any population which We have destroyed that they shall not return,
PICKTHAL And there is a ban upon any community which We have destroyed that they shall not return.
SHAKIR And it is binding on a town which We destroy that they shall not return.Perception reactive manifestation, make sense?
The entirety of the universe IS in perpetual motion but this is a different story from individual components which can never be in perpetual motion until there is a time of proper energy exchange between them.
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To FAR (sorry for not replying before, but I am very busy) as well as Mr Nur As for these hiccups found in conventional physics I ask two questions of you;
1.) How else have these coronal temperatures been measured other than with conventional physics?
2.) Does the "Aether theory" explain why the coronal temperature is the way it is or indeed why pulsars have currents that move faster than light which I presume you talk about?
Another thing, Allah "himself" calls "himself" the "light of the heavens and the earth" (2435). Do you understand the physical properties of light/information/thought? It correlates very well with the quranic concept of Allah. There is no need for any "aether theory" because we already know what the "divine aether" is, which is light - all pervading, all seeing, all knowing, all-hearing, boundless in capacity, all-giving, the list goes on.
OPF, as far as I know
http//www.universetoday.com/2010/01/06/measuring-the-coronal-temperature-with-iron/
How do you measures averages of temperatures? Do you need standard model physics for that or just basic math?
As for the aether physics model... Well the individual who's suggesting it suggests this http//softaether.blogspot.com/2009/05/hot-fusion-confusion.html
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Those ionized atoms can then be identified spectroscopically or by using a filter to search for the wavelength at which those atoms will emit light as new electrons settle down into the previously vacated orbitals. By measuring the relative amounts of ionization astronomers can then reconstruct the range of kinetic energies in the gas and thus, temperature range which can, in turn, be used to determine the average temperature.
This is the method an international team of astronomers used to study the sun's corona. Since light atoms don't work well for this method (they become fully ionized or just can't show a large range of ionization like atoms with more electrons), the astronomers chose to study the Sun's corona through various states of iron ionization. In doing so they mapped several ionization states, including capturing for the first time, the elusive Fe IX lines (iron with 8 electrons knocked off) at 789.2 nm.
The advanced physics is not in the taking of averages but rather, measuring the damn temperatures in the first place. Also this isn't temperature as in "stick your alcohol thermometer in the solar atmosphere" temperature but rather the truer sense of the word, a statistical measure. Also spectroscopy is intrinsically connected to quantum mechanics.
The original question was posed from the perspective of ignorance anyway, the fallacy is in the questioning of science by asking about things it hasn't gotten round to analysing or answering yet.
As for this aether theory dude, I'll let him speak for himself
or all the hype about the success of the Standard Model, it is failing spectacularly. Billions of dollars, thousands of top scientists, and years of research and engineering are being wasted on Gravitational Wave detectors (I detect gravity waves with home built equipment) and Hot Fusion ignition.
The Aether Physics Model clearly shows fusion is actually a proton version of the Casimir effect. Two protons, held a quantum distance apart and magnetically aligned, cause the intervening Aether to oscillate and absorb a proton's quantity of dark matter to produce a proton. The initial state of this new creation is a proton-sized photon. In the Sun's corona, these photons radiate away as light. When the process occurs inside an atom, the photon is converted to a proton and actually increases the amount of matter in the Universe. Hence, stars literally grow in size, as do planets and other bodies in the Universe.
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The advanced physics is not in the taking of averages but rather, measuring the damn temperatures in the first place. Also this isn't temperature as in "stick your alcohol thermometer in the solar atmosphere" temperature but rather the truer sense of the word, a statistical measure. Also spectroscopy is intrinsically connected to quantum mechanics.
The original question was posed from the perspective of ignorance anyway, the fallacy is in the questioning of science by asking about things it hasn't gotten round to analysing or answering yet.
As for this aether theory dude, I'll let him speak for himself
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But the physics of measuring the suns corona's heat... is of averages, that's what a statistical measure is.
There is no fallacy of questioning the science if the scientific process is slow http//www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/wclose.html
And what of him speaking? Is it against what you were taught? Or do you not understand it?
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But the physics of measuring the suns corona's heat... is of averages, that's what a statistical measure is.
There is no fallacy of questioning the science if the scientific process is slow http//www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/wclose.html
And what of him speaking? Is it against what you were taught? Or do you not understand it?
It isn't just "taking averages", any idiot can do that with a pocket calculator. It is the measurement of the actual temperatures. If you look at the article, it tells you how they measured the temperatures, by observing emission bands in the solar corona and then correlating this information with previous knowledge to build up a picture of the kinetic energies involved. These emission bands correlate to very specific photon wavelengths emitted by iron in its transitions between various states, and this is where quantum mechanics enters the picture.
You cannot compute these wavelengths without using the rules of QM and even if you experimentally measured them, they would correlate 100% with the rules of QM. Conventional physics works very well in producing technology and other things because of this fundamental interconnection between all working theories. Crackpot physics does not do this because it cannot, when two people have their own agendas to advance and spout two varying brands of psuedoscience, there is no connection, it's like a Shia talking to a Sunni (rather, the rift is even further apart).
As for the dude speaking, I've highlighted the ridiculous bits but they flew over you. Of course, if you don't have a keen eye for counterfeit products nobody would expect you to be a counterfeit product detector (and they sure as hell wouldn't be hiring you as one). Photons have no such thing as "size", they do have "energy content", "momentum" and "wavelength" but none of these correlate with "size" and indeed neither do protons (I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he meant energy content). The idea of him building gravity wave detectors with home equipment while the rest of humanity is trying to do the same by making the most perfect spheres concievable and launching them into outer space says one of two things, extreme genius or... crackpot. And we all know which one is more likely. As for the other rubbish, it doesn't really deserve any time. For instance he says "planets and stars are getting bigger" when in reality it is known that relative to the rest of the universe, everything is getting smaller while mass stays constant (i.e. the universe is expanding).
Regardless the mark of a true idiot is trying to debunk the fundamentals of physics while not having the slightest grasp as to what these fundamentals are and how they connect to other things, and in the process of debunking, using a computer and the internet, both of which are based on the interconnection of a vast number of different scientific fields all clicking into place to make sense. As they say, don't bite the hand that feeds. Or in this case, don't tell the hand feeding you that it doesn't really exist and all your life you've actually been fed by a foot. Or more quranically, if you have no idea what you're talking about, don't talk about it (1736).
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It's a good thing then, that most crackpots are easy to see through. If they put any real time into their dribblings (and what crackpot would, when he knows in advance that he is bullshitting), then you would end up with things like the Bogdanov affair.
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It isn't just "taking averages", any idiot can do that with a pocket calculator. It is the measurement of the actual temperatures. If you look at the article, it tells you how they measured the temperatures, by observing emission bands in the solar corona and then correlating this information with previous knowledge to build up a picture of the kinetic energies involved. These emission bands correlate to very specific photon wavelengths emitted by iron in its transitions between various states, and this is where quantum mechanics enters the picture.
You cannot compute these wavelengths without using the rules of QM and even if you experimentally measured them, they would correlate 100% with the rules of QM. Conventional physics works very well in producing technology and other things because of this fundamental interconnection between all working theories. Crackpot physics does not do this because it cannot, when two people have their own agendas to advance and spout two varying brands of psuedoscience, there is no connection, it's like a Shia talking to a Sunni (rather, the rift is even further apart).
As for the dude speaking, I've highlighted the ridiculous bits but they flew over you. Of course, if you don't have a keen eye for counterfeit products nobody would expect you to be a counterfeit product detector (and they sure as hell wouldn't be hiring you as one). Photons have no such thing as "size", they do have "energy content", "momentum" and "wavelength" but none of these correlate with "size" and indeed neither do protons (I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he meant energy content). The idea of him building gravity wave detectors with home equipment while the rest of humanity is trying to do the same by making the most perfect spheres concievable and launching them into outer space says one of two things, extreme genius or... crackpot. And we all know which one is more likely. As for the other rubbish, it doesn't really deserve any time. For instance he says "planets and stars are getting bigger" when in reality it is known that relative to the rest of the universe, everything is getting smaller while mass stays constant (i.e. the universe is expanding).
Regardless the mark of a true idiot is trying to debunk the fundamentals of physics while not having the slightest grasp as to what these fundamentals are and how they connect to other things, and in the process of debunking, using a computer and the internet, both of which are based on the interconnection of a vast number of different scientific fields all clicking into place to make sense. As they say, don't bite the hand that feeds. Or in this case, don't tell the hand feeding you that it doesn't really exist and all your life you've actually been fed by a foot. Or more quranically, if you have no idea what you're talking about, don't talk about it (1736).
But if you had a different model for measuring the wavelengths you'd of course have a different value no?
What does he believe his model suggests? Photons and protons have size? Why would anyone even say that? I'm sure you know of quran 496, we who are muslims are not skeptical rejectors.
As for planets growing, I'm sure you know of the growing earth video.
Deserve your time? You have no choice, either it deserves your time to investigate... or you fail the quran. Heck it's your duty to confirm if this quiet trouble maker (or me who's suggesting him to you) is true or false.
Maybe he is an extreme genius, or a crack pot... for you to suggest either... without confirming as quran 1736 would suggest... you'd go against the verse.
http//www.16pi2.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=86&Itemid=106
I'm sure it's haram for you to be a skeptic/kafir, no?
It's a good thing then, that most crackpots are easy to see through. If they put any real time into their dribblings (and what crackpot would, when he knows in advance that he is bullshitting), then you would end up with things like the Bogdanov affair.
http//amasci.com/weird/vindac.html --- refer to that please.
And do not call people names. Quran 4911
OPF... I'm sure this is about physic proving the quran and allah.
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Check out Christopher Langan's CTMU, this is what people would consider "crackpot" but unlike the APM, it has a very powerful foundation & logical argument in my eyes. I gave it the same amount of time as the APM and concluded that it deserves a hell of a lot more research time. His statements are well and truly in line with the quran from what I percieve.
It's not that there is a problem. Actually, the first time I saw the aether site, which coincidentally was a slight time prior to it coming up on here, I was sold. However I didn't really look at the numbers but the content of their words. The level of insight is quite intriguing as I have said many times over. However what could have been something golden turned out to be quite rubbish because they failed to put their things in numbers properly, instead going about it in the crackpot way. By crackpot, I mean "person who mouths a theory without putting their evidence forth" and the reason a crackpot does that is because they know already that they are trying to say 2+2=5, they just try to keep that little fact hidden and construct everything around it. Now if you are saying 2+2=5 then you have to be able to say 2(2+2)=10 and so on and so forth, it must connect logically. Of course, 2(2+2)=8 so 2+2=5 is an obvious falsehood.
The key problem with this guy, is that he doesn't have any foundations. Rather, he whips out random force constants and this and that which have long been disproven by conventional physics. Now if you want to know for sure, don't ask me; go do it yourself! Create an experiment to test his theory out vs conventional physics and you can come to your own conclusion, I have already come to mine. If your experiment says that he stands a good chance of being correct (not even that he is correct), I will take you up on it and accept that I have been acting in ignorance. However I can say to a high degree of certainty that this is crackpot rubbish in and out (although it is based on one of the most beautiful facets of existence, the golden ratio).
This guy himself isn't a troublemaker, I'm sure all of the advocates are good at heart but if I started spouting my own theories about some obscure field I live in ignorance of without attempting to get an understanding of it, I would be considered a crackpot. For instance, I didn't come to the conclusion of following the quran on its own without reading sahih bukhari first, I am not going to dismiss a potential world of possibility without considering it first. Don't think for a second that I dismissed this instantly, I have already said that this guy makes predictions about quantum mechanics that are already well off point. The whole theory reaks of pathological science, tailoring the numbers to fit the results after getting the results. Which would be alright, because that is sort of the right way, but the right way stands out because you actually listen to what the results say rather than trying to prove 2+2=5 over and over again in a different form each time. When you do it the right way you tend to have to do a lot of manipulation of equations (nature's law, not mine), you don't simply adjust a "constant of proportionality" until you fit the results (except for linear relationships between quantities), that sets you up for another failure until you realise that you can't have for example, "Gforce * x", it's "Gforce^2 + exp(Gforce/2)" and that is when you are making headway.
I'm sure it's haram for you to be a skeptic/kafir, no?
Yes, if it is based on ignorance. There is absolutely no room in a peaceful society for dismissal without rational investigation, after all that's how we awakened on Earth through Adam in the first place
Deserve your time? You have no choice, either it deserves your time to investigate... or you fail the quran. Heck it's your duty to confirm if this quiet trouble maker (or me who's suggesting him to you) is true or false.
I already have given it the time long before this thread existed, and I deduced that it requires no further time on my part (perhaps I should have said, no further time), it falls into the category of "vain discourse" (366 and others) in my eyes. Also if the dude applied 1736 in the first place, I guarantee you wholesale that APM would not exist.
But if you had a different model for measuring the wavelengths you'd of course have a different value no?
Yes and they would immediately be inconsistent when that theory is applied to an experiment elsewhere. This is the beauty of physics - there is a single fundamental law (which I like to call "God", in the way that it is a sign of the creator) that everything follows, invariant of space and time. The task of physics is to find out what this law is and how it works, but it cannot answer the fundamental question which is what it ordains for us in the ultimate end, this is where the quran and information theory come in. Each little facet of this fundamental law is consistent with every other little facet. If there is an inconsistency, that means the theory is either incorrect, or it is consistent when one applies a different set of boundary conditions and reshapes the equations to fit. There is no avoiding this law of nature - without it, I could be walking at 2mph and you could be walking at 6mph and we look at each other and we appear completely still. It would be dreamlike but more so, nightmareish, falsehood would prevail.
Let me give you an example of science in action
Shortly after awakening, a sharp 38% to 75% (average 50%) increase occurs in the blood level of cortisol in about 77% of healthy adults, and it occurs in people of all ages. The average level of cortisol upon waking is roughly 15 nmol/l; 30 minutes later it may be 23 nmol/l, though there are wide variations. The cortisol awakening response reaches a maximum approximately 30 minutes after awakening though it may still be heightened by 34% an hour after waking. The pattern of this response to waking is relatively stable for any individual. Twin studies show its pattern is largely genetically determined since there is a heritability of 0.40 for the mean cortisol increase after awakening and 0.48 for the area under the cortisol rise curve.
Notice the concrete numbers and the statistics? That is science. You can go out and measure this for yourself with the same techniques and you will get to the exact same result (assuming the results are correct). You will not be able to come to a conclusion where you can disagree because that is the nature of God, he is not to be questioned (2123) and it is only logical that this is indeed the case. Thus, what is the message of every messenger? That there is one objective reality, and one objective reality alone (2262). So submit to His will.
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Since you've already had a look at it, we are asking you.
The key problem with this guy, is that he doesn't have any foundations. Rather, he whips out random force constants and this and that which have long been disproven by conventional physics. Now if you want to know for sure, don't ask me; go do it yourself! Create an experiment to test his theory out vs conventional physics and you can come to your own conclusion, I have already come to mine. If your experiment says that he stands a good chance of being correct (not even that he is correct), I will take you up on it and accept that I have been acting in ignorance. However I can say to a high degree of certainty that this is crackpot rubbish in and out (although it is based on one of the most beautiful facets of existence, the golden ratio).
For me, I would only question you, since you go against the quran.
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Peace "Abdun Nur",
Amongst other things you stated
...explain the endless energy of a magnet...
JK- You can't derive endless energy from a magnetic field. Infact you cannot directly derive energy from a magnetic field of a magnet which has not been created using electric current. This is because the magnetic field comes from the electrons in the atoms. Youd have to destroy those completely in order to derive the energy therfrom. You can put iron filings close to a magnet and whilst they're being pulled to the magnet let them knock against a wheel and use that to derive energy but after sometime when enough filings get attached to the magnet, the magnet has no more attractive force. It weakens with every additional no. of filings getting attached to it. THEN you'd need the same energy to release all those filings from the magnet again which you got from it initially. In short you cannot get energy from anywhere without taking the same amount of energy from that system in one form or another. If that means taking energy of the particles theyd ultimately have to collapse.
You also talked about everything having perpetual motion. This is only true at the subatomic level where there is no or negligible friction. But even protons are said to be decayed after a very large no of yrs(>10^100 yrs). GOD Bless! -
Salaam Jonny,
what you say is non-sense, a magnet does indeed endlessly emit energy, this indeed breaks the conservation lie of physics, in fact this lie is so obvious to refute its laughable, and requires such a deep lack of understanding of physics to support a closed energy system, a closed system is impossible to manufacture even in a lab, every atom in this reality is a perpetual motion engine, ask a conventional physicist to explain the endless energy emitted from a permanent magnet they cannot.
When you generate electricity from a dynamo all you are doing is moving two permanent magnets past each other, the energy is through the passing of the two magnetic fields across one another, this means the interaction of the electric fields generates a charge, (although a charge can be generated from other sources also), through the local draining of the time field, this has been demonstrated experimentally. So for example time is slowed around a star due to the conversion of electromagnet waves into electrical charge, ionising the atmosphere of the star to around 10 to the 34
There is an underlying fluidic manifold, this is why things move in waves as if through an invisible fluid, a magnetic field is within this fluid underlying reality, so you are diametrically wrong a magnetic field of a permanent magnet is a source of endless energy. You do and can derive energy directly from a magnetic field as is demonstrated from a dynamo as a simple method, another simple example of the energy derived directly from a magnetic field is the mechanical energy of the movement of the iron filings you place close to the magnet, the mechanical force is maintained on the iron, even storing energy within the iron for a period of time, this means the iron filing when removed from the influence of the magnetic field will also have a mechanical attraction to other iron objects.
The universe is a differential fractal, so scale has no bearing on order, if you think subatomic works differently to the universal scale then you are mistaken about how you view the small or how you view the large, or both, and with conventional physics almost everything since Einstein is wrong, they perpetuate lie upon lie to hold the minds of the population in confusion, the bankers use this ignorance to maintain the hold on the subjugation they inflict upon us, how long do you think the corporations and religions would last if people understood reality correctly, not long.
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Peace "Abdun Nur",
Salaam Jonny,
what you say is non-sense, a magnet does indeed endlessly emit energy, this indeed breaks the conservation lie of physics, in fact this lie is so obvious to refute its laughable, and requires such a deep lack of understanding of physics to support a closed energy system, a closed system is impossible to manufacture even in a lab, every atom in this reality is a perpetual motion engine, ask a conventional physicist to explain the endless energy emitted from a permanent magnet they cannot.
JK- A magnet does NOT EMIT ANY ENERGY. What are you saying here? The particles responsible for mediating the magnetic field are circulating yes BUT you cannot derive endless work from them. If you place any obstacle in the path of a particle that particle has to slow down or stop and lastly collapse. Infact you cannot even directly stop the particles which create the magnetic field without collapsing the electrons. Many people have tried to show "magnetic motors" and to date all have turned out to be frauds. What you are saying here is that all of the experts in this field don't know what they're talking about but you do. In this way why don't i just beleive Christians that praying to Jesus would cure all of my diseases?
When you generate electricity from a dynamo all you are doing is moving two permanent magnets past each other, the energy is through the passing of the two magnetic fields across one another, this means the interaction of the electric fields generates a charge, (although a charge can be generated from other sources also), through the local draining of the time field, this has been demonstrated experimentally. So for example time is slowed around a star due to the conversion of electromagnet waves into electrical charge, ionising the atmosphere of the star to around 10 to the 34
JK- The magnets JUST TRANSFORM THE ENERGY, IN THIS CASE FROM UR HAND, INTO electrical energy. Thats why if you out more load on a dynamo UD HAVE TO TURN IT HARDER. This more energy your arm will use will be equal to the energy you'll get out in form of electricity and heat via friction. Try it yourself sometime.
There is an underlying fluidic manifold, this is why things move in waves as if through an invisible fluid, a magnetic field is within this fluid underlying reality, so you are diametrically wrong a magnetic field of a permanent magnet is a source of endless energy.
JK- It is not even if we collapse the entire atoms that make up the magnetic field in part, we will get a max energy of MC^2, no more.
You do and can derive energy directly from a magnetic field as is demonstrated from a dynamo as a simple method,
JK- I explained that the energy here comes from the SOURCE TURNING THE DYNAMO, NOT THE ELECTRIC FIELD.
another simple example of the energy derived directly from a magnetic field is the mechanical energy of the movement of the iron filings you place close to the magnet, the mechanical force is maintained on the iron,
JK- NO IT IS NOT MAINTAINED IN FULL AS BEFORE. Try it yourself, take a magnet and attach some piece of iron to it. Then hold another piece of iron towards it and then seprately to the magnet directly and see if the magnetic force of the attached piece of iron is as strong as was that of the original magnet. You'll find that it is not.
even storing energy within the iron for a period of time, this means the iron filing when removed from the influence of the magnetic field will also have a mechanical attraction to other iron objects.
JK- As i said it will get less and less the more filings or iron is attached to the magnet. You cannot infinitely keep on attaching iron filings to a magnet all with the same force. Try it out.
The universe is a differential fractal, so scale has no bearing on order, if you think subatomic works differently to the universal scale then you are mistaken about how you view the small or how you view the large, or both, and with conventional physics almost everything since Einstein is wrong, they perpetuate lie upon lie to hold the minds of the population in confusion, the bankers use this ignorance to maintain the hold on the subjugation they inflict upon us, how long do you think the corporations and religions would last if people understood reality correctly, not long.
JK- Conventional physics like that of Newton get a good APPROXIMATION of what happens on a macro scale which works pretty well for all practical purposes on earth. Close to the speed of light is when it breaks down. NO one theory can ever unite everything. Even M-theory as lately suggested by Stephen Hawkins is a collection of more than one theory applicable to various things in the universe. GOD Bless!
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Salaam jonny,
there are no particles in a magnetic field it is a wave within the underlying fluidic manifold, what particles are you taking of, they use magnetic fields to hold anti-matter in place within a vacuum, if any particles existed within a magnetic field how could it position anti-matter it would cancel it out violently, where are you deriving you expert opinions of magnetic effects from?
Every dynamo in existence endlessly drives work from a magnetic field, you think it is a conversion of mechanical energy, no, it is just an interaction of the magnetic fields as they pass through each other, but this extraction can be achieved without mechanical energy being injected, you have not understood the action, any way as I have said to you before, nothing I could say would alter what you have accepted, you have invested in the lies of people who are dedicated to the established dogma, you should really find out about a subject before posting rubbish on it.
There are working over unity systems on sale today, an Australian company is selling one, also another company is selling a solid state electrical generator with no mechanical energy required.
A Japanese moped manufacturer discovered a magnet over twice as powerful as any in use at present, the government has prevented this advancement from been used, as it makes every motor over unity, it makes every dynamo generate more energy than is needed to run it, a strength of 120 MgO, here is an article from the Sunday Times Dec 10 1995, since then it has been suppressed, it seems the government even employed the Japanese mafia to maintain an effective halt to this technology becoming widely utilised.
http//www.world-enlightenment.com/OCR/Takahashi-Motor-Article/Takahashi-Motor-Article.pdf
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Peace "Abdun Nur",
Salaam jonny,
there are no particles in a magnetic field it is a wave within the underlying fluidic manifold, what particles are you taking of, they use magnetic fields to hold anti-matter in place within a vacuum, if any particles existed within a magnetic field how could it position anti-matter it would cancel it out violently, where are you deriving you expert opinions of magnetic effects from?
JK- Magnetic fields are created by VIRTUAL PHOTONS(http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_photon and http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field in general which also mentions them). Every field is logically mediated by particles. So is gravity and magnetism. It is partciles which form waves like water waves. At the core of it are particles though arnt there?
Every dynamo in existence endlessly drives work from a magnetic field, you think it is a conversion of mechanical energy, no, it is just an interaction of the magnetic fields as they pass through each other, but this extraction can be achieved without mechanical energy being injected,
JK- NO IT CANNOT. That's the whole point. ALSO havnt you wondered why the electrical energy you get out of the dynamo is always equal to the mechanical energy you put into the dynamo NOT the output electrical energy being mechanical energy PLUS some other energy from the magentic field?
you have not understood the action, any way as I have said to you before, nothing I could say would alter what you have accepted, you have invested in the lies of people who are dedicated to the established dogma, you should really find out about a subject before posting rubbish on it.
JK- You can always change my mind by showing me via a controlled experiment that you can derive energy from a permanent magnet without using mechanical energy or deriving more energy out of such a magnet than you put into it.
There are working over unity systems on sale today, an Australian company is selling one, also another company is selling a solid state electrical generator with no mechanical energy required.
JK- If that is so many people wouldve bought it, been extremly happy and passed it onto their friends and within no time whole neighbourhodds and cities would be off the grid. Don't you see that this is clear fraud? But still I'm willing to see. Did you at least actually test these devices for yourself? If I did test them and it really came out to be so I'd yet be willing to accept it.
A Japanese moped manufacturer discovered a magnet over twice as powerful as any in use at present, the government has prevented this advancement from been used, as it makes every motor over unity, it makes every dynamo generate more energy than is needed to run it, a strength of 120 MgO, here is an article from the Sunday Times Dec 10 1995, since then it has been suppressed, it seems the government even employed the Japanese mafia to maintain an effective halt to this technology becoming widely utilised.
http//www.world-enlightenment.com/OCR/Takahashi-Motor-Article/Takahashi-Motor-Article.pdf
JK- I know magnets like Neodym magnets which are extremely powerful or more accurately FORCEFUL. They have huge attractive FORCE but you can't derive infinite energy from them. The attraction decreases per inverse square of the distance. So u can attach alot of load onto a small such magnet but it will only attach once it comes within a very small distance from the magnet. From the movement of the load from that distance till the magnet's surface you can derive energy. Now this iron load will NOT have the same attarctive force again as the magnet does. Why don't you try it out yourself? You can buy neodym magnets online here http//www.emovendo.net/magnets/cubes/ or here for only 30 Euro and 300 kg Force here http//www.crazy-magnet.de/de/Produkte?products_id=1&gclid=COfk8_bJxKUCFci-zAodOnUXZg and see for yourself what happens. See this is typical just make a conspiracy theory of the government not allowing x,y,z. This kind of technology if true would spread like wildfire, with or without government approval just like drugs do despite gov ban. Besides no government could ban magnets once anyone orders them directly to ones home. GOD Bless!
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Salaam jonny,
OK, you believe what you wish, as I said the application of reason is beyond you, you want the Jewish vision of materialism, they wish to have a physical universe, they think of complete rubbish like big bangs, black-holes and stars that spin faster than the speed of light, when even matter itself is not physical in the sense they would wish, matter is just a pattern of energy, they even fail to understand light, I could explain this to you, but I doubt you really read what I write, I will leave you to your opinions.
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Peace "Abdun Nur",
Salaam jonny,
OK, you believe what you wish, as I said the application of reason is beyond you, you want the Jewish vision of materialism, they wish to have a physical universe, they think of complete rubbish like big bangs, black-holes and stars that spin faster than the speed of light, when even matter itself is not physical in the sense they would wish, matter is just a pattern of energy, they even fail to understand light, I could explain this to you, but I doubt you really read what I write, I will leave you to your opinions.
JK- Energy is mostly matter/particles in motion/vibration which is evident by it's units (mass X velocity^2). But yes there is duality down all the way since vibration is also what makes up particles on a greater scale and then those vibrations by smaller particles probably ad inifnitum. In case of photons and other massless particles we do talk about mass equivalent energy because we cannot localize them from any known reference point at rest. Doesnt however necessarily mean they can't behave as particles in certain areas. It is important to note that we don't have any model independent view of thw world and no model can describe absolutely everything. The model which makes the best predictions in a cretain field is the one most accepted and rightly so.
I've never heard a black hole spinning faster than light BUT that it's ESCAPE VELOCITY is faster than light. The only thing which is faster than light according to physicists is the EXPANSION of SPACE itself but this does not allow information to pass from one pt to another in space > light where the focus is on "information". GOD Bless! -
Salaam,
matter is matter/particles you say, ok you have no idea about physics, matter is anything that has both volume and a mass, this means something that occupies space in the physical universe. The conventional physicists apply abstract concepts like atoms to the structure of mass, they further break down these into even small parts, but ultimately these are just constructs to allow description, mass is simply a pattern of energy in motion, the universe would be better understood as a holographic manifestation, anyway you do not absorb or consider anything I write so I'll leave it there.
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Peace "Abdun Nur",
Salaam,
matter is matter/particles you say, ok you have no idea about physics, matter is anything that has both volume and a mass, this means something that occupies space in the physical universe. The conventional physicists apply abstract concepts like atoms to the structure of mass, they further break down these into even small parts, but ultimately these are just constructs to allow description, mass is simply a pattern of energy in motion, the universe would be better understood as a holographic manifestation, anyway you do not absorb or consider anything I write so I'll leave it there.
JK- Yes and atoms as well as electrons, prtons and neutrons have a mass and occupy a certain volume in space. You cannot have two or more of these overlapping on top of each other in the same place. Now if you want to make a holographic model of the universe saing that it would explain it better go ehad and see if your model makes more PREDICTIONS cause thats whts important. The model itself doesnt matter much as long as it makes accurate predictions. 2ndly what has all this now got to do with the energy content of magnetism being unlimited? If you want to get energy from the magnetic field youd need to collapse the field which can only be done by magnetic fields which have been produced using electricity in an electromagnet. There the energy of the magnetic field is proportional to the electric current and voltage. If you now switch of the current and the field collapses you get back the same or less energy you put into it's construction, NEVER MORE. This should tell you that energy is well quanitied. One concept which makes some sense to me of how to obtain free energy is Vacuum energy, though no one to date has been able to demonsteate how to do so and it is unknown whether this will not destabilize spacetime either. GOD Bless!