According to Ahmadiyya Sect NAMLAH = NAME of a TRIBE ?
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First, the leader of this tribe is a female, like the Queen of Sheba (ْ.
Second, an ant can't recognize a human by his name (ُ.
Obviously, an ant is a ghayr al-3aqil.1 - The rule of Al-3aqil and Ghay Al-3aqil (which was invented further by arabic linguists, BTW) applies ONLY when "Humans" (3aqil) talk about ANIMALS (ghayr Al-3aqil) . Which does not apply in THIS case, because here this Female ant talks to her "fellow" ants. So, this rule doesn't apply to them as they all belong to the same race/gender.
2 - Please read this verse very carefully (6-3
Wamaa min dabbatin fee al-ardiwala ta-irin yateeru bijanahayhi illa omamun amthalukum ma farratna feealkitabi min shay-in thumma ila rabbihim yuhsharoona
There is not an animal (that lives) on the earth, nor a being that flies on its wings, but nations/communities like you. Nothing have we omitted from the Book, and they (all) shall be gathered to their Lord in the end.
As you can see, the tribe/nation/community of ants is somehow like us. so there's no need to apply our own invented grammatical rules upon them. i think they have their own )
3- Please read from 2715 to 2719
As you can see, Suleiman was given the UNIQUE Gift of talking to animals and Jinns. so it is not surprising that the female ant knew him by his name, as long as the animals should have their own way to communicate.
if i was a bird or an animal who could talk to Suleiman, the first thing i'll ask him is for an introduction '' - Hello, my name is hoopoe (hud-hud) . what is your name ?? - Oh , my name is Suleiman, nice to meet you ..! )"- Hey, Psss...Psss ... be aware ... there's a King leading a huge army coming down here.... and you know what ?? he can talk to us...he can understand what we say !!!!
- Are you kidding me ?? Who is this freaking king ?
- I heard his name was Suleiman ! Pass it on ! "
next , we come to verse 2718
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one of the ants said "O ye ants, get into your habitations, lest Suleiman and his soldiers crush you (under foot) without knowing it."Salam
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Salam Mazhar,
and what about ( ) ie animals walking on earth ?doesn't the ants fits in that category ?
Salam
is defined by Grand Qur'aan as all animal kingdom in the Earth and certainly Ant is one species of it. .
If you compile information given in Qur'aan about animals, you will end up with a Classification Chart of Animal Kindom and then compare it with present day knowledge about Animal Classification. It may surprise us. One example, Qur'aan says Allah sent for you people eight families of herbivore mammals, ground reality is that there are Nine families.
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And from amongst herbivore mammals He has sent for you people Eight families/species
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He created/creates you the living human beings in the bellies/pelvis of your mothers, creation after created form, inside the three layered darkness .http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/039.%20Az%20Zumar/039.%20Az%20Zumar.htm
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Peace,
is defined by Grand Qur'aan as all animal kingdom in the Earth and certainly Ant is one species of it. .
sorry, i meant "living ON earth", see my post before -
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He created/creates you the living human beings in the bellies/pelvis of your mothers, creation after created form, inside the three layered darkness .http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/039.%20Az%20Zumar/039.%20Az%20Zumar.htm
It's very interesting, but...i don't see any relation to this Topic....
Salam
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That was additional information to cope with this querry
doesn't the ants fits in that category ?
A name is used for whole range of a thing and then each part is isolated. Ant falls in the category which fly with two wings, and he was given the knowledge of language of those which fly with two wings. Ants also do the most "enjoyable thing" while flying.
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Peace Mazhar,
That was additional information to cope with this querry
A name is used for whole range of a thing and then each part is isolated. Ant falls in the category which fly with two wings, and he was given the knowledge of language of those which fly with two wings. Ants also do the most "enjoyable thing" while flying.As far as i know, not all the ants fly, nor all the ants have wings.. Only the reproductives do.
Salam
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Peace,
Anyway, i still wonder if jawad_mugniya is now fixed that the Naml was Not a human tribe and that it means the Ant community.
Not yet, bro. But thanks for your reply.
Mantiq al Tayr = Human logos (See Lisan al 3arab for the meaning of the word 'tayr'
Second reason is
in the verse 16. It doesn't say that it's a revelation or an insipiration but it seems like a gradual teaching.
That's why we can't say that they were speaking the language of birds because nobody can learn the language of birds gradually.
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Peace jawad,
Not yet, bro. But thanks for your reply.
you're welcome, i'll always try my best to help people understand what they didn't yet.
Mantiq al Tayr = Human logos (See Lisan al 3arab for the meaning of the word 'tayr'
Second reason is
Quotein the verse 16. It doesn't say that it's a revelation or an insipiration but it seems like a gradual teaching.
That's why we can't say that they were speaking the language of birds because nobody can learn the language of birds gradually.
Ok, and what do you think about this one ?
And He taught Adam all the names, then showed them to the angels, saying Inform Me of the names of these, if ye are truthful.
Quran 231Do you think that Adam was taught "gradually" or by inspiration ?
Salam
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And He taught Adam all the names, then showed them to the angels, saying Inform Me of the names of these, if ye are truthful.
Quran 231Do you think that Adam was taught "gradually" or by inspiration ?
Salam
Well, the teaching in both cases are different.
In the history of Sulayman, the teaching is linked to "mantiq al tayr". As a human, I can say that the word "mantiq" is not appliable to the language of "birds". And the verse is clear, they only know the language of "birds" and not ants. Otherwise, the verse would say for example, that they know all the languages of all the animals, but this is not the case, here.
I think, you don't take seriously the context of verses in the Qur'an.
You can't quote a verse and compare it to another then assume that the meaning is same. That's not a good methodology.
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Do you think that Adam was taught "gradually" or by inspiration ?
Salam
Second, when Allah does something for example, teaches, gives, etc. can we say that it happens in a second or millsecond ?
By the way, in my opinion there is no supernatural in the Quran means something that goes against the natural laws of this world and the natural understanding of a human. All the things in the Quran must be explainable without saying "This is beyond our understanding blablabla......."
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In the history of Sulayman, the teaching is linked to "mantiq al tayr". As a human, I can say that the word "mantiq" is not appliable to the language of "birds". And the verse is clear, they only know the language of "birds" and not ants. Otherwise, the verse would say for example, that they know all the languages of all the animals, but this is not the case, here.
Resolve the contradiction. He pronounced that they have the knowledge of the language of birds. And Allah informed in other verse that he understood the statement by she-ant to other ants directing them to enter into their habitats. Similarity between birds and the commanding she-ant is that both fly with two wings.
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Resolve the contradiction. He pronounced that they have the knowledge of the language of birds. And Allah informed in other verse that he understood the statement by she-ant to other ants directing them to enter into their habitats. Similarity between birds and the commanding she-ant is that both fly with two wings.
Language of birds should be something understable to our level (human understading) then you don't have too much possibilities one is WISDOM (the link of tayr to brain see. Lisan al 3arab) second is THE WAY OF USING BIRDS for SENDING MESSAGES.
Now, if you claim it was really a she-ant then you have to explain how the narrator in the verse, when and where it talks about the she-ant giving order to other ants, know the differences between a she-ant (female) and other ant who are male.
Is it possible for a human to differentiate between a she-ant and a male ant through just a simple a look, ?
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Now, if you claim it was really a she-ant then you have to explain how the narrator in the verse, when and where it talks about the she-ant giving order to other ants, know the differences between a she-ant (female) and other ant who are male.
Is it possible for a human to differentiate between a she-ant and a male ant through just a simple a look, ?
The confusion arises only when we keep ourselves absorbed in our own thoughts and do not take the trouble of looking into the words of the Book. The narrator of the Episode is Allah and NOT Suleiman alahissalam. Allah fully knows whether some male is commanding or a female. Today we know and can see the difference of sex orgains of both female and male ant. And today we know with certainity that She Ant commands both female and male ants. By the way, some time we may try to look on a female ant and the male ant, we can differentiate both even with naked eye.
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The narrator of the Episode is Allah and NOT Suleiman alahissalam.
The narrator is not Allah, nor Sulaiman but a third person who is witnessing the mobilization of Sulaiman's army and describes what he sees, hears etc.
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The narrator is not Allah, nor Sulaiman but a third person who is witnessing the mobilization of Sulaiman's army and describes what he sees, hears etc.
Yes you are right the narrator is not Allah nor Suleiman .
the narrator is Michael Emerson from the TV show LOST . He's very good at that !!!!! and you are completly "LOST IN TRANSLATION"
Salam