Wife beating?
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Koran 434 " Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and beat them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great."
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Bro Munzir, you spend a lot of time on the forum, I hope its not a case of quantity over quality
You may have missed this recent posting
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599954.0My thought exactly. Munzir, how can you miss that discussion p.
Peace.
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Koran 434 " Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and beat them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great."
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it seems dreams here cost just too much. Im talkoing about car dreaming. ignore
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Bro Munzir, you spend a lot of time on the forum, I hope its not a case of quantity over quality
You may have missed this recent posting
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599954.0I read layth's article but I still don't understand it well, oh well, maybe I'll understand after I'm a bit older. ;D Some atheists are debating with me about 434 and I can't seem to answer their question. And when I post free-mind's translation the atheists says that it is fake and he knows Arabic.
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http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/004.%20An%20Nisa/temp%2014%20%204.034a%20small.gif
Men are protectors/caretakers of women with/because of what Allah has bestowed peculiarity/individuality to some over some and for reason that they have spent their wealth.http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/004.%20An%20Nisa/temp%2014%20%204.135b.gif
For seeking the approval of Allah you people be the protectors/those who stand for dispensation of justice by becoming witness to record testimony on the principle of equity without favour and fear
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For seeking the approval of Allah you people be the protectors/those who stand for dispensation of justice by becoming witness to record testimony on the principle of equity without favour and fear;
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/005.%20Al%20Maida/005.%20Al%20Maida.htm -
Give them the link to the article I referenced in that thread, see what they say then.
They said I am following conjecture.
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I read layth's article but I still don't understand it well, oh well, maybe I'll understand after I'm a bit older. ;D Some atheists are debating with me about 434 and I can't seem to answer their question. And when I post free-mind's translation the atheists says that it is fake and he knows Arabic.
Well, do you actually believe that 434 allows men to 'beat' their wives when 419 ordains men not to treat them with harshness? I prefer the 'fake' translation because it does not go against other verses
Salaam.
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Well, do you actually believe that 434 allows men to 'beat' their wives when 419 ordains men not to treat them with harshness? I prefer the 'fake' translation because it does not go against other verses
Salaam.
Well no, but the problem is that we are dealing with athiests and they will say that it is a contradiction and they will say that I am following conjecture. brickwall
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Well no, but the problem is that we are dealing with athiests and they will say that it is a contradiction and they will say that I am following conjecture. brickwall
Have you provided them with an alternative translation of 434 where the word doesn't mean beat, but separate with them? Well it's kind of ironic that they say we follow conjecture when they themselves do the same thing, refusing to open their eyes to see other possibilities, and only take one that suits their pupose (that is, to attack Islam).
Maybe ask the atheists, if they have actually tried the open their mind and be neutral when reading any scriptures? Not to strengthen their egos by proving the others wrong (so they don't start reading with the intention to find something to criticise), but to gain knowledge and discover the Truth.
Salaam.
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Have you provided them with an alternative translation of 434 where the word doesn't mean beat, but separate with them? Well it's kind of ironic that they say we follow conjecture when they themselves do the same thing, refusing to open their eyes to see other possibilities, and only take one that suits their pupose (that is, to attack Islam).
Maybe ask the atheists, if they have actually tried the open their mind and be neutral when reading any scriptures? Not to strengthen their egos by proving the others wrong (so they don't start reading with the intention to find something to criticise), but to gain knowledge and discover the Truth.
Salaam.
That wouldn't work so I didn't reply back.
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It would seem that you admitted defeat (if you didn't reply back after they slammed you basically). My advice if you encounter such circumstance again, provide them with Qur'anic verses and your knowledge to counter their arguments. If they still insist and still blinded with pre-conception, then withdraw from the debate with words of peace ).
Salaam.
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Have you provided them with an alternative translation of 434 where the word doesn't mean beat, but separate with them? Well it's kind of ironic that they say we follow conjecture when they themselves do the same thing, refusing to open their eyes to see other possibilities, and only take one that suits their pupose (that is, to attack Islam).
Maybe ask the atheists, if they have actually tried the open their mind and be neutral when reading any scriptures? Not to strengthen their egos by proving the others wrong (so they don't start reading with the intention to find something to criticise), but to gain knowledge and discover the Truth.
Salaam.
Oops Sorry. I did actually. DIdn't read your post well. I gave them layth's translation and they said that they know arabic.
And when I post free-mind's translation the atheists says that it is fake and he knows Arabic.
But they kept saying I follow conjecture. And as wakas said
A person can claim what they like. If they cannot refute by way of evidence/logic/etc then what a person claims is almost irrelevant.
Therefore I didn't reply back.
