did Qur'anists know that the prophet has mentioned them ?
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I told you, if you're going to claim someone is wrong you must explain WHY they are wrong and correct them.
I did but they are still arguing .
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He is a scholar and a sheikh. One term does not exclude the other.
Sheikh, ... (Arabic , shaykh; pl. shuykh), is a word or honorific term in the Arabic language that literally means "elder."
It is commonly used to designate an elder of a tribe, a revered wise man, or an Islamic scholar.
Although the title generally refers to a male, a very small number of female sheikhs have also existed in history.
It also refers to a man over 40 or 50 years old generally. Whilst even a new Muslim can be called a sheikh if he is diligent in seeking the knowledge of Islam based upon the Quran and authentic Sunnah, he can be referred to as such by those he teaches.
And usually a person is known as a sheikh when they have completed their undergraduate university studies in Islamic studies and are trained in giving lectures.The word sheikh under this meaning is a synonym of Alim, pl. Ulema, (a learned person in Islam, a scholar), Mawlawi, Mawlana, Muhaddith, Faqih, Qadi, Mufti, Hadhrat or Hafiz.
Etymology and meaningThe word in Arabic stems from a triliteral root connected with age and ageing --, shn-y'-kh'.
The term literally means a man of old age, and it is used in that sense in all men. Later it came to be a title meaning leader, elder, or noble, especially in the Arabian Peninsula, where shaikh became a traditional title of a Bedouin tribal leader in recent centuries.
Due to the cultural impact of Arab civilization, and especially through the spread of Islam, the word has gained currency as a religious term or general honorific in many other parts of the world as well, notably in Muslim cultures in Africa and Asia.
While the title can be used religiously by Tovars to designate a learned person, as an Arabic word it is essentially independent of religion. It is notably used by Druze for their religious men, but also by Arab Christians for elder men of stature. Its usage and meaning is similar to the Latin senex meaning "old ", from which the Latin (and English) "senator" is derived. Accordingly, the Arabic term for most legislative bodies termed Senate (e.g. the United States Senate) is majlis al-shuykh, literally meaning "Council of Senators."
Religious usageThe term is often used by Muslims to address learned men of various Islamic sciences, such as faqihs, muftis, and muhaddiths, and more generally to convey respect for religious authorities. In Sufism tariqah (orders), it is often used as an honorific for an elder Sufi who has been authorized by the order to teach, initiate and guide aspiring murids & dervishes, as such, he is also known as, in Arabic, as a formal Murshid (lit Guide).
The term is and/or was also used in certain Islamic parts of Africa, as in imperial Ethiopia by the hereditary Muslim rulers of Bela Shangul, and by certain Muslim notables of Wollo, Tigray and Eritrea.woow , nice job but I'm sad because nothing in this post is yours ( copy/coll? ).
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guote from Edip Yuksel on Today at 120640 AM
God's Book is Sufficient for Us.
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Say "If ye do love Allah, follow me Allah will love you and forgive you your sins; for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
Excellent. Now you mean either of the following
- The verse you quote is the right, the "sahih hadith" in reported by your hadith book which you picked a hadith is a fabrication, is a lie.
- You do not understand neither the verse nor your own hadith.
Peace,
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Obviously. That's why she made a reference at the bottom but you deleted that part in your quote.
I know, that doesn't change anything.
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Excellent. Now you mean either of the following
- The verse you quote is the right, the "sahih hadith" in reported by your hadith book which you picked a hadith is a fabrication, is a lie.
- You do not understand neither the verse nor your own hadith.
Peace,
Edip
well, none of the following is right . so try next time to be good in assuming .
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You didn't correct him.
that's what you think .
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Lol, you're doing it again man!
Show me where you corrected him.
they said "we're rejecting hadith"
I said " don't reject hadith because it is important"
P.S this video for all Quranists http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZS5zRy7mak&NR=1 and it is talking about the same thread .
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http//Reply 158 I'm not arrogant, I've said the truth that I'm better than him. is that arrogance ? . being better than someone, means that he should listen to you not bring silly ideas where he will look like a fool man
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He replied ,"I am better than him. You created me from fire and You created him from clay"Is it arrogance or not? The Verdict of Allah is this
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/007.%20Al%20Airaaf/7.013.gifHe said, "Then get down from it for the reason that it is not appropriate for you to be proud therein. Therefore you get out, indeed you are amongst the abased, the contemptible"
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http//Reply 158 I'm not arrogant, I've said the truth that I'm better than him. is that arrogance ? . being better than someone, means that he should listen to you not bring silly ideas where he will look like a fool man
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He replied ,"I am better than him. You created me from fire and You created him from clay"
Is it arrogance or not? The Verdict of Allah is this
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He said, "Then get down from it for the reason that it is not appropriate for you to be proud therein. Therefore you get out, indeed you are amongst the abased, the contemptible"
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/007.%20Al%20Airaaf/007.%20Al%20Airaaf%20B.htmwell, the verse is too clear the Satan said that he is better than Adam in Creation not in knowledge . I said I'm better than him and I meant by it that I know things more than him. So there is no relation between the verse and what I said .
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Have you?
No, why I should ? I have born Muslim and I thank God because of that. because if I was not Muslim but converted to Islam later, there is a chance of being like you which It might be a wrong way and I'll hate myself.
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No, why I should ? I have born Muslim and I thank God because of that. because if I was not Muslim but converted to Islam later, there is a chance of being like you which It might be a wrong way and I'll hate myself.
Or there's a chance that you are born to Islam, conditioned to a particular way of thinking and then stubbornly refuse any other opinion because you were never taught to think for yourself; let the Ulema think for you.
You never question that you might be wrong? That's sad and exemplifies the condition of the Muslims. God tells you to ponder, not accept unquestioningly everything that the clergy feed you.
Oh and I liked your jibe against converts. Did you forget that Abu Bakr was a convert, so was Umar and so were Uthman and Ali?
Peace
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Or there's a chance that you are born to Islam, conditioned to a particular way of thinking and then stubbornly refuse any other opinion because you were never taught to think for yourself; let the Ulema think for you.
well, who said that I've never made my own statements ? I've said before to a member here that my own interpretations and statements that I have found are exactely the same as the Ulema said. because I've also studied these things . In the other hand guys here no one from them including you have studied these things . police
You never question that you might be wrong? That's sad and exemplifies the condition of the Muslims. God tells you to ponder, not accept unquestioningly everything that the clergy feed you.
why I might be wrong ? and the religion of Islam and Quran said that we must obey the prophet and take what he said and what he did . the only wrong person is you rejecting the sunnah of the prophet.
Oh and I liked your jibe against converts. Did you forget that Abu Bakr was a convert, so was Umar and so were Uthman and Ali?
Peacewell, those converts from Abu Baker to Umar were a good converts who they followed the sunnah of the prophet as a second ligeslation in Islam, in the other hand some bunch of converts today rejecting it.
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Salamun alaikum,
thereformer - please enlighten us about islam...
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One day when we were sitting with the Messenger of God there came unto us a man whose clothes were of exceeding whiteness and whose hair was of exceeding blackness; nor were there any signs of travel upon him, although none of us knew him. He sat down knee unto knee opposite the Prophet, upon whose thighs he placed the palms of his hands saying ?O Muhammad, tell me what is the surrender (islam).? The Messenger answered him saying ?the surrender is to testify that there is no god but God and that Muhammad is God?s Messenger, to perform the prayer, bestow the alms, fast Ramadan and make if though canst, the pilgrimage to the Holy House.? He said ?thou hast spoken truly,? and we were amazed that, having questioned him, he should corroborate him. Then he said ?Tell me what is faith (iman).? He answered ?To believe in God and His Angels and His books and His Messengers and the Last Day, and to believe that no good or evil cometh but by his Providence.? ?Thou hast spoken truly,? he said, and then ?Tell me what is excellence (ihsan).? He answered ?To worship God as if thou sawest him, for if thou seest Him not, yet seeth He thee.? ?Thou hast spoken truly,? he said, and then ?tell me of the Hour.? He answered ?The questioned thereof knoweth no better than the questioner.? He said ?Then tell me of its signs.? He answered ?That the slave-girl shall give birth to her mistress; and that those who were but barefoot naked needy herdsmen shall build buildings ever higher and higher.? Then the stranger went away, and I stayed a while after he had gone; and the Prophet said to me ?O Umar, knowest though the questioner, who was he?? I said ?God and His Messenger know best.? He said ?It was Gabriel. He came unto teach you your religion.?
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One day when we were sitting with the Messenger of God there came unto us a man whose clothes were of exceeding whiteness and whose hair was of exceeding blackness; nor were there any signs of travel upon him, although none of us knew him. He sat down knee unto knee opposite the Prophet, upon whose thighs he placed the palms of his hands saying ?O Muhammad, tell me what is the surrender (islam).? The Messenger answered him saying ?the surrender is to testify that there is no god but God and that Muhammad is God?s Messenger, to perform the prayer, bestow the alms, fast Ramadan and make if though canst, the pilgrimage to the Holy House.? He said ?thou hast spoken truly,? and we were amazed that, having questioned him, he should corroborate him. Then he said ?Tell me what is faith (iman).? He answered ?To believe in God and His Angels and His books and His Messengers and the Last Day, and to believe that no good or evil cometh but by his Providence.? ?Thou hast spoken truly,? he said, and then ?Tell me what is excellence (ihsan).? He answered ?To worship God as if thou sawest him, for if thou seest Him not, yet seeth He thee.? ?Thou hast spoken truly,? he said, and then ?tell me of the Hour.? He answered ?The questioned thereof knoweth no better than the questioner.? He said ?Then tell me of its signs.? He answered ?That the slave-girl shall give birth to her mistress; and that those who were but barefoot naked needy herdsmen shall build buildings ever higher and higher.? Then the stranger went away, and I stayed a while after he had gone; and the Prophet said to me ?O Umar, knowest though the questioner, who was he?? I said ?God and His Messenger know best.? He said ?It was Gabriel. He came unto teach you your religion.?
Some Munafiq seems to have concocted this falsehood who are jealous of the Exalted status and stature of the Messenger who is exclusively the One who has been assigned the duty and responsibility to guide the humanity, not any Angel. Munafiq will render such stories which indirectly downplay the Exalated Position of the Messenger of Allah.
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But We have declared it/Grand Qur'aan as The Visible Light-the Sustainer of Lifehttp//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/042.%20Ash%20Shoora/42.52c.gif
We guide with this Grand Qur'aan anyone from Our created ones whom We inend;http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/042.%20Ash%20Shoora/42.52e.gif
and beyond an iota of doubt, you the Messenger are certainly guiding them towards the Straight Path;http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/042.%20Ash%20Shoora/042.%20E%20Ash%20Shoora.htm
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Salaam,
I love it that to qualify as a Muslim, one has to testify that there is no god but God AND that Muhammad is His messenger. The first part I wholly agree. But I cannot imagine Muhammad would say, "... and Muhammad is His messenger." nor can I image that Muhammad would say the "shalawat Nabi" when he prayed. I also cannot imagine that the prophets before Muhammad would say the second part of shahada (Well obviously). Hmmm, maybe the prophets before Muhammad was born weren't muslims? That is off course, using the criterion the traditional Muslims use .
Salaam.
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Salaam,
I love it that to qualify as a Muslim, one has to testify that there is no god but God AND that Muhammad is His messenger. The first part I wholly agree. But I cannot imagine Muhammad would say, "... and Muhammad is His messenger." nor can I image that Muhammad would say the "shalawat Nabi" when he prayed. I also cannot imagine that the prophets before Muhammad would say the second part of shahada (Well obviously). Hmmm, maybe the prophets before Muhammad was born weren't muslims? That is off course, using the criterion the traditional Muslims use .
Salaam.
We're told that prophet Abraham is muslim (367) - I wonder if he said the second part of the shahada