The meaning of the word وَيُقيمونَ
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Mazhar-
Thanks for the links. Very interesting what you wrote about truth and knowledge re Root
Database is available on some of the websites.
Can you please provide links for me?
I see that you have included syntax and morphology. Have you seen this http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp
I use the one printed by Saudi Government
I did a search but too many irrelevant links to find... can you tell me the specifics if I want to locate and purchase (I saw some Saudi links offering Quran for free, but link I tried was broken). What does this Quran printed by Saudi Government have that is different from other Quran printings? Does it list the roots and counts?
Whenever you wish to cross verify the database, message or email me. InshaAllah I will share it with you.
Thank you for your generous offer-- I will do that since again, your work seems more accurate than what I have. e.g.
Root - I only have 380 instead of 381. # of constructions I have 36 instead of 33 -
Please refer to Wright's discussion of weak verbs in vol. 1.
EXCELLENT! EXCELLENT! Thank you! Wright's explanation starting on p. 71 answers many questions for me (and gives me many more... I was trying to go through his book last year, but realized I needed to gather more knowledge first...)
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Root - I only have 380 instead of 381. # of constructions I have 36 instead of 33
I have again checked, 381 is the correct figure, You may cross check which one is missing in your data base. Thirty six may be for reason of taking it a seperate construction with conjunction waw in 1448;2004;8501. I have also inadvertantly made an additional entry at Sr. No. 26 for 222; correcting it the constructions will be 32.
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Can you please provide links for me?
I see that you have included syntax and morphology. Have you seen this http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp
I am one of the volunteer for correcting mistakes. I keep sharing information with Mr. Kais. It is a good statistical source, though no original work is being done, except computerization of existing data/knowledge.
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Good, as I understood from your post you want to understand. Not, just have a cook book. I work on the same learning method. Hence, I would not give a cook book answer. Therefore, it will help us both. Next step is that I am going to break this word down into it's affixes and suffixes, as I understand it. Which are as follows.
Please try to look up from Lane as well Wright Grammar books. For affixes and suffixes use Wright; otherwise Lane. If you find trouble in finding, please let me know. Once you understand these, we can discuss the concepts conveyed by this word.
Peace,Badar
Badar-
I have spent about 4 hours with Wright trying to research the suffixI have been unable to find that form.
vol2 p. 449 has the index entry for "suffixes" (and related concepts like "accusative" and "genitive"...).
vol1 pp. 100-101 Appendix B lists the verbal suffixes. I see there are 2 forms (plural, fem.) that end with , but the forms do not match
I don't know how to proceed re the suffix and would appreciate your help.
Peace-
Samir -
Dear SAbboushi,
Sorry you had to spend so much time. But I am sure, it was worth it.
Root
According Ajwaf rule (hollow verb, when second letter Ya or Waw) and if has movement and preceding movement Fetha. It changes to
In verb IV form
It shall become
Then in imperfect jussive Act, it become . Further rule implies that since on Qaf there is Kersa. Hence following Waw will change into Yaa. Hence becoming . Please see Wright Vol 1 page 82 rem 151. is added as 3 person plural maker at the end expressing nominative. Please see Wright vol1 page 89.
Now to recap sign of imperfect tense in active form. changed form of root with prefixed active imperfect marker attached to change form of and suffixed plural marker of 3 person in nominative form.
Hope this helps.
Peace,
Badar
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Real question remains. Despite this grammatical explanation. What is the meanings of root . Does it really change by said Ajwaf rule due changing, Waw to Alif, . Or should it change?
Perhaps you have not noticed that Lane does not deal with Perception of Roots.
Qur'aan gives the physical position of different postures in these words and explains the meanings of the words by contrasts also
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Whenever there is light they walk therein, and when darkness falls upon them they stand still.
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The men of wisdom are those who remember Allah while standing and sitting and when they are lying/reclining on their sides and they objectively reflect/contemplate/deeply and honestly ponder about the creation of the Skies and the Earth. "Our Sustainer Lord, You have not created it purposelessly. Glory is for You alone; therefore give us salvation from the torment of Hell.Two pairs have been used which give you the meanings by contrast. Light and darkness and walking and standing. All other meanings are derived and all words made from the Root on whatever pattern shall retain the basic perception and connotations attached to the state of standing.
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Badar & Mazhar
WOW! hail
This is beautiful! Just what I need. I have no idea what any of it means -[, but this gives me a roadmap (which will take many many hours of research) to increase my knowledge and learn.
Thank you very much for your time. I will post back if I run into further roadblocks...
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Badar & Mazhar
WOW! hail
This is beautiful! Just what I need. I have no idea what any of it means -[, but this gives me a roadmap (which will take many many hours of research) to increase my knowledge and learn.
Thank you very much for your time. I will post back if I run into further roadblocks...
Welcome aboat, no need for thanks buddy. I am in the same boat with you. Trying to learn every day. I wish more people could join in, in the process, with an open mind. My objective being to understand this book called Quran. Even if it leads to rejecting all my preexsisting beliefs.
Peace,
Badar
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OK - back to my original post
Omar's Dictionary tells me the root is Q?ma
But then below this (p. 471), it says
Then at the top of column 2 on p. 471, it says
To maintain?Then on p.472 in the second column, I find
Yuq?m?na (imp. 3rd.p.m.plu.IV.) They observe.My questions
- Other sources including Wakas?(?) PRL seem to indicate the root is . So what is the relationship between and Omar?s ?Q?ma ??
- Although I?ve re-read Omar?s ?How to use this Dictionary? (p. 1-A) a bunch of times, I find it somewhat lacking? he refers to ?basic ?root words?? which in this case I assume is ?Q?ma ?. But I am confused Index 2 (p. 21-C) lists ?Q?ma ? and not ??? (and WHY ?Q?ma ? is listed near the end of the Q?f section I do not understand? why doesn?t the alif in alphabetically put it at the top of the Q?f section?)
- (p. 1-A) ?The reader will find some root words with more than one form through the changes in vowel signs (Fatha, Kasrah or Dzammah) between the consonants as Badana and Baduna or Bad?a and Badawa
- (p. 2-A) ?Some roots may have more than one form in perfect or imperfect e.g. Yaf?ilu and Yaf?ulu ?
Thanks for your posts - they have helped me to come up with the following understanding - which I would appreciate all feedback for validation. Hopefully some of you have a copy of Omar's dictionary and can confirm for me
My hypothesis is that there is a fundamental misunderstanding by people who speak Arabic concerning the definitions of "roots" and "root words". I suspect that it is a common belief that the "root" is the same as "the perfect form of the base stem".
It is my (current) conclusion that the "root", which I belief is synonymous with "root letters" (i.e. "root" = "root letters", consists of a sequence of radical letters that are NOT a word (i.e. radicals only without tashkeel). As a result, I now can see that those who understand this concept separate the radical letters with spaces or hyphens in order to make it clear that this is a "root" or (same thing) that these are the "root letters" - and that the root is not meant to denote a "word".
It is also my belief that "root WORDS" are words derived from a "root", and that these derived "root words" are in the perfect or imperfect form of the base stem, and that other words (in other forms) are furthermore derived from these "root words".
This means that multiple "root words" can be derived from a "root".
I believe that the "root" is, in most cases, easy to determine by examining the listed "root word(s)" in most cases, the "root" is simply the radical letters of a "root word" without the tashkeel (and separating the letters). I believe the confusion arises when, as we've seen in this thread, there is a weak verb(?) resulting in a substitution of letters when deriving a "root word" from a "root".
So with my new hypotheses, let me try to answer my own questions
Omar's Dictionary tells me the root is Q?ma
I would now re-word my question
Omar's Dictionary tells me the "root word" is Q?ma - which, although Omar does not make clear, is derived from the "root" ? ?. I believe that Omar's dictionary is organized by "root words" ("the verb in the perfect of the base stem" as he says on p. 2-A paragraph C); I find that he does not categorize his dictionary by "roots".- Although I?ve re-read Omar?s ?How to use this Dictionary? (p. 1-A) a bunch of times, I find it somewhat lacking? he refers to ?basic ?root words?? which in this case I assume is ?Q?ma ?. But I am confused Index 2 (p. 21-C) lists ?Q?ma ? and not ??? (and WHY ?Q?ma ? is listed near the end of the Q?f section I do not understand? why doesn?t the alif in alphabetically put it at the top of the Q?f section?)
a) Omar doesn't categorize his dictionary by "root" which is why ?? is not listed.
b) WHY ?Q?ma ? is listed near the end of the Q?f section I do not understand I still don't understand this...- (p. 1-A) ?The reader will find some root words with more than one form through the changes in vowel signs (Fatha, Kasrah or Dzammah) between the consonants as Badana and Baduna or Bad?a and Badawa
a) Bad?a and Badawa I believe this is a typo in the dictionary. I believe Bada?a is incorrect and should be Bada?a . I believe that the correct sentence is
(p. 1-A corrected) ?The reader will find some root words with more than one form through the changes in vowel signs (Fatha, Kasrah or Dzammah) between the consonants as Badana and Baduna or Bada?a and Badawa ?.
- (p. 2-A) ?Some roots may have more than one form in perfect or imperfect e.g. Yaf?ilu and Yaf?ulu ?
a) I believe that Omar is NOT referencing the dictionary entry (p. 169-B and p. 431) which is categorized under "Fa'ala " (uh...,not knowing Arabic, I was looking under 'ya' laugh) but that he is referring to the mechanics of deriving verb forms through the use of "Fa'ala " as the standard grammatical template.
I will reword Omar's statement as I now understand it"
?Some roots may have more than one form in perfect or imperfect e.g. Yaf?ilu and Yaf?ulu ?
My rewording
??I want to know the significance of the words that Omar lists in the heading of each root word. In this case, Q?ma
is in large bold font, so I assume this is what Omar refers to as a ?basic ?root word?? (p. 1-A).
And so what is the significance of the words listed BELOW this ?basic ?root word??, in a mucher smaller, non-bold font, in this case, ?
All three of these (roots?) are listed in the HEADING of the dictionary entry for this root word.a) Q?ma is the "root word" derived from the root ? ?. The first line of each entry consists of one or more "root words" in the perfect form derived from the root.
b) The second line in the header entry, reading left to right, gives us ONE imperfect form (not sure how this is chosen), followed by a ";" followed by an example list of verbal nouns (not sure how these are chosen either)All feedback is most welcome...!