one Question for Quranists
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Dear nsws1988
The Quran uses different variations of words in order to describe peace. i.e. Salaamun, Salaama, Salaamin, Salaamu etc etc plus totally different words as well Sakeena, Waaslaha etc. There is more than one way to say peace in Quranic Arabic.
I wouldn't call modern spoken Arabic an evolution of the Quranic Arabic because the Grammar of the Quranic Arabic is so high that Modern Arabic is taken from it and not the other way round. It might be easier to say that people don't talk the Quranic Arabic anymore but a dialect or slang version. A bit like old English and modern day English if you like.
Peace
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ah we say As-salamo Alaykom not salamun Alaikom
He shows respect and you correct him? Although he didn't even really misspell anything - I mean we can say whatever we want as long as the other person understands, especially anyone who's native language is not arabic.
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Greetings reformer,
my answer depends on the instruction from Mohammed
If it contradicts the Quranic messages or against those, I will ask why,
If it is something not related to Quranic messages and I think if its good for me I will accept or if i feel its not good for me then I will explain my case,So my Question, what do you think Mohammed would have done if asked him "why" or explained my my case?
1.He would have killed/punished me?like what your Shariah do.
2.He would have answered me, explained me?
3.He would have asked for God to guide Him and gave a Quranic message thats answers me.?
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Mazhar >>>> the only advice that I can give for you is read Quran and don't just put it somewhere .
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Those to whom We have given the Book they recite/study it, word by word, in the manner as is its right of study/recitation that nothing interferes/comes in between the words of the Book and the heart/brain of the reciter/reader;
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they are the ones that accept/believe-will accept/believe in the Book ;Shaitaan does not like that attention of people be brought to the Grand Qur'aan. He wants that people should listen to his fascinating and colourful gossip. Everyone who poses conjectural questions attributing it the Last Messenger is but Shaitaan whatever title he may adopt, Shaitaan also thinks "I am better" but tells people he is reformer and well wisher of Adam.
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My question is so simple but the answer is not as simple as you think
If you were in the time of the Prophet peace be upon him, and he said to you don't do this thing and do this particular thing and it's not existing in Qur'an, what will be your answer ?
If the Prophet told me to do something in his capacity of the movement leader, I will do it UNLESS it goes against Quran. If someone leaves islam and the Prophet 'kill him please', I will say 'sorry, Quran says no compulsion. don't disobey God please, ya Prophet'.
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My question is so simple but the answer is not as simple as you think
If you were in the time of the Prophet peace be upon him, and he said to you don't do this thing and do this particular thing and it's not existing in Qur'an, what will be your answer ?
1- I'll not do it because Quran that was revealed to you didn't mention this particular thing.
2- Can I know why .
3- I'll do whatever you asked my prophet, after all obeying you is obeying God.
And there is a possibility for the fourth answer from you guys with justification.
Selam
Your question is a hypothetical one. The true answer is unless you are in that situation you really do not know what you will do. As the prophet is no longer with us, the question should be what do we follow now?
Peace
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My question is so simple but the answer is not as simple as you think
If you were in the time of the Prophet peace be upon him, and he said to you don't do this thing and do this particular thing and it's not existing in Qur'an, what will be your answer ?
1- I'll not do it because Quran that was revealed to you didn't mention this particular thing.
2- Can I know why .
3- I'll do whatever you asked my prophet, after all obeying you is obeying God.
And there is a possibility for the fourth answer from you guys with justification.
I choose one
Muhammed was forbidden from revealing anything other than the koran
Say I follow only that which is inspired in me from my Sustainer. This (Qur'an) is insight from your Sustainer, and a guidance and a mercy for a people that believe. And when the Qur'an is recited, give ear to it and pay heed, that you may obtain mercy.?
(7203-204)ah we say As-salamo Alaykom not salamun Alaikom
Stop criticizing people for their typing mistakes. I have seen a lot of grammatical errors in your posts. Should I start critisizing you for your mistakes?
Of course its No. 3! hail People who choose other than that are just jealous!!
rotfl rotfl
Nice one Andreevici, keep going .
I've heard that you're the leader of Quranists . am I right ?
yeah >D >D He dines with the devil. >D
rotfl I can actually. You don't even know me so the joke's on you.
And we're talking about classical Arabic here, not modern. In modern Arabic, people say assalamu alaykum but in the Quran it's different because classical Arabic was spoken then. The language evolved just like any other langauge.bravo bravo
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rotfl I can actually. You don't even know me so the joke's on you.
And we're talking about classical Arabic here, not modern. In modern Arabic, people say assalamu alaykum but in the Quran it's different because classical Arabic was spoken then. The language evolved just like any other langauge.You're still making mistakes, and you don't how Arabic language evolved . so stop lying to yourself .
I said when Salamo Alaykom alone without being in a sentence , we spell it like that Salamo Alykom.
when the both words are in a sentence , we spell it like that Salamun Alaykom .
there is no relation between what you said and what you're talking about, so give it a break and stop playing .
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He shows respect and you correct him? Although he didn't even really misspell anything - I mean we can say whatever we want as long as the other person understands, especially anyone who's native language is not arabic.
Douche.I just show him how we write it , is there any problem with that ? .
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Greetings reformer,
1.He would have killed/punished me?like what your Shariah do.
2.He would have answered me, explained me?
3.He would have asked for God to guide Him and gave a Quranic message thats answers me.?
4.Anything else?4- he will say (God knows) this verse
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and probabely Omar Bno Al Khatab will cut your head off.lol
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Those to whom We have given the Book they recite/study it, word by word, in the manner as is its right of study/recitation that nothing interferes/comes in between the words of the Book and the heart/brain of the reciter/reader;
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they are the ones that accept/believe-will accept/believe in the Book ;
Shaitaan does not like that attention of people be brought to the Grand Qur'aan. He wants that people should listen to his fascinating and colourful gossip. Everyone who poses conjectural questions attributing it the Last Messenger is but Shaitaan whatever title he may adopt, Shaitaan also thinks "I am better" but tells people he is reformer and well wisher of Adam.I hope you understand what you wrote, as I see you can talk without a verse which is in fact you do not even understand it.
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If the Prophet told me to do something in his capacity of the movement leader, I will do it UNLESS it goes against Quran. If someone leaves islam and the Prophet 'kill him please', I will say 'sorry, Quran says no compulsion. don't disobey God please, ya Prophet'.
well, here you disobey prophet , and you came against the verse where God said obeying prophet is obeying him. and if you didn't kill who leaves Islam, you'll be considered a rebel and a cower, because the punishement for someone leaves Islam is death but after advice him first to back to Islam and if he doesn't want , then he must die.
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well, here you disobey prophet , and you came against the verse where God said obeying prophet is obeying him. and if you didn't kill who leaves Islam, you'll be considered a rebel and a cower, because the punishement for someone leaves Islam is death but after advice him first to back to Islam and if he doesn't want , then he must die.
Do you have any example at the time of the Prophet (s) of one who was killed purely on the basis of rejecting Islam?
Peace
offtopicOh and by the way, you still didn't get back to me Does following a hadith equate to following a direct order of the Prophet (s)?
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Selam
Your question is a hypothetical one. The true answer is unless you are in that situation you really do not know what you will do. As the prophet is no longer with us, the question should be what do we follow now?
PeacePhilosophy will not serve you by any way , so answer the question or leave a beautiful trace behind you .
You don't know what I will do, so stop assuming .
the question is clear and the answer is clear as well, we follow Asalaf Asaleh . Imam Malik and Bukhari and Muslim and so on.
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I choose one
So, you're disobeying the prophet and leads you to disobey God as well . so you're not following Quran but you think that you follow it.
Muhammed was forbidden from revealing anything other than the koran
Say I follow only that which is inspired in me from my Sustainer. This (Qur'an) is insight from your Sustainer, and a guidance and a mercy for a people that believe. And when the Qur'an is recited, give ear to it and pay heed, that you may obtain mercy.?
(7203-204)Stop criticizing people for their typing mistakes. P I have seen a lot of grammatical errors in your posts. Should I start critisizing you for your mistakes? ) rotfl rotflyeah >D >D He dines with the devil. >D
bravo bravowhat you don't know , is that the deeds of the prophet and his saying were also from inspiration.
and about mistakes of people , I didn't do it for criticizing him, I just want to show him the right way of writing . -
well, here you disobey prophet , and you came against the verse where God said obeying prophet is obeying him. and if you didn't kill who leaves Islam, you'll be considered a rebel and a cower, because the punishement for someone leaves Islam is death but after advice him first to back to Islam and if he doesn't want , then he must die.
The Quran says 'obey the messenger' so yes, I need to obey him but HE needs to obey the Quran. If he goes against it, Allah would KILL HIM (69/40-47). In this case, he's not obeying the Quran so I don't need to obey him.
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The Quran says 'obey the messenger' so yes, I need to obey him but HE needs to obey the Quran. If he goes against it, Allah would KILL HIM (69/40-47). In this case, he's not obeying the Quran so I don't need to obey him.
The fact is, he wouldn't ever order against the Quran. But a direct order does not equate to a Hadith.
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Do you have any example at the time of the Prophet (s) of one who was killed purely on the basis of rejecting Islam?
No, but at the time of Abo Baker Asadik the friend of the prophet, after the death of the prophet people got rejecting Islam, and Abo Baker Asadik and his friends frim Ali and Othman and Omar Bno Khatab and the others Sahaba, ordered to kill everyone who doesn't want to back to Islam, and by the way the punishment is in Qur'an itself for someone who rejects Islam.
Peace
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Oh and by the way, you still didn't get back to me Does following a hadith equate to following a direct order of the Prophet (s)?Yes, absolutely, because hadith is protected from God as well. and I'm talking about hadith Sahih and hadith Hassan.
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No, but at the time of Abo Baker Asadik the friend of the prophet, after the death of the prophet people got rejecting Islam, and Abo Baker Asadik and his friends frim Ali and Othman and Omar Bno Khatab and the others Sahaba, ordered to kill everyone who doesn't want to back to Islam, and by the way the punishment is in Qur'an itself for someone who rejects Islam.
I am talking about Rasulullah (s) seeing as the thread is about following him, not his friends.
Also we are not talking about people who leave Islam and become renegades. We are talking about the countless people who peacefully leave Islam to practice another religion. They are to be killed to for simply leaving Islam when Allah (swt) CLEARLY asserts Let there be NO compulsion in religion.
Yes, absolutely, because hadith is protected from God as well. and I'm talking about hadith Sahih and hadith Hassan.
I dare you to prove it.