one Question for Quranists
-
Well done for FINALLY admitting it. Congratulations. yay
)Hahahahah, I'm admitting what I wrote from Birth ..the problem is not me, is the guys here in this website they didn admit that saying that those salaf Asaleh are liars and that they fabricated the hadith. you're confusing between me and them.
-
The Quran says 'obey the messenger' so yes, I need to obey him but HE needs to obey the Quran. If he goes against it, Allah would KILL HIM (69/40-47). In this case, he's not obeying the Quran so I don't need to obey him.
I didn't say he goes against it , read the thread , I said he ordered you to do something not existing in Quran.
-
what you don't know , is that the deeds of the prophet and his saying were also from inspiration.
The DEEDS of the Prophet outside the Quran are from inspiration?
9/43May Allah forgive you (O Muhammad SAW). Why did you grant them leave (for remaining behind, you should have persisted as regards your order to them to proceed on Jihad), until those who told the truth were seen by you in a clear light, and you had known the liars?
So Allah inspired him to make a mistake then Allah is forgiving him? What a great Allah you got, man!
-
I didn't say he goes against it , read the thread , I said he ordered you to do something not existing in Quran.
This DOES go against the Quran though
10/99And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed, all of them together. So, will you (O Muhammad SAW) then compel mankind, until they become believers
So Muhammad went against the Quran by killing those who leave islam. Your version of Muhammad anyway...
-
I dare you to prove it.
ok, got it
the hadith has took a great part in studying it, so people came from everywhere to take ahadih after the death of prophet . So the question is why people want to study hadith if it was fabricated as guys here pretend ?
All the Salaf Asalih have been guided from God to study hadith and classified it
( َ
here in this verse God said to the prophet that Quran must be interpreted .
and about the salaf asaleh " "
this verse is an order from God to ask the scholars .
-
The DEEDS of the Prophet outside the Quran are from inspiration?
{ { .
9/43May Allah forgive you (O Muhammad SAW). Why did you grant them leave (for remaining behind, you should have persisted as regards your order to them to proceed on Jihad), until those who told the truth were seen by you in a clear light, and you had known the liars?
So Allah inspired him to make a mistake then Allah is forgiving him? What a great Allah you got, man!
this is the real translation
Allah give thee grace! why didst thou grant them exemption until those who told the truth were seen by thee in a clear light, and thou hadst proved the liars?.
you have to know first the verse talks about what . don't waste my time .
-
{ { .
Can you please tell me what 'huwa' refers to? With daleels please.
this is the real translation
Allah give thee grace! why didst thou grant them exemption until those who told the truth were seen by thee in a clear light, and thou hadst proved the liars?.
you have to know first the verse talks about what . don't waste my time .Ah, I doubt very much the verse is talking about how to make mushroom pie! It says Allah forgives 'you'. Tell me please, why does Allah need to forgive if you didn't make a mistake?
A further question, did the Prophet make any mistake at all? Like in ?abasa?. Who inspired him to make those mistakes?
-
This DOES go against the Quran though
so lashing the drunk is against Quran ?????
10/99And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed, all of them together. So, will you (O Muhammad SAW) then compel mankind, until they become believers
the verse talks about a situation when the prophet wanted from his people Quraish to enter to Islam, not because he wants to force it, but because he wants from his strain to enter the heaven and he cares about them especially his uncle who didn't want Islam, and the prophet insisted over and over from his uncle to enter to Islam but his uncle refused.
So Muhammad went against the Quran by killing those who leave islam. Your version of Muhammad anyway...
I advice you to know first the verse and its context then talk.
-
abdalquran, I like your responses, but they assume an underlying respect for logical argument.
lol indeed.
-
so lashing the drunk is against Quran ?????
Of course, because Quran speaks of being drunk but doesn?t assign any punishement. However if the drunk causes any harm, that?s a separate judgement.
the verse talks about a situation when the prophet wanted from his people Quraish to enter to Islam, not because he wants to force it, but because he wants from his strain to enter the heaven and he cares about them especially his uncle who didn't want Islam, and the prophet insisted over and over from his uncle to enter to Islam but his uncle refused.
So in other words, for you Quran is useless now. It only talks about past events. But here?s the problem, by this reasoning, you?re saying the sunna/kalima/hukm of Allah CHANGES but Allah insists that it doesn?t.
There?s no point in knowing any asbab an nuzool because they were made up long after the Quran.
-
Can you please tell me what 'huwa' refers to? With daleels please.
"" in arabic language means the "enjoyment by desires" and the verse means that the prophet peace be upon him what he said is not anything from his own desires or someone played. everything he said is the truth.
ah by the way before at the time of the prophet there were poets, and they were Good in making sayings tough ones and the were called the speaker of hawa . that's why the verse said that the prophet is not like them.
the daleel is the interpretation of the word in arabic. you can look for it yourself.
I can cite another daleel from hadith but as I see you're not a follower of hadith.
Ah, I doubt very much the verse is talking about how to make mushroom pie! It says Allah forgives 'you'. Tell me please, why does Allah need to forgive if you didn't make a mistake?
the translation is wrong, God doesn't say "I forgive you" in fact he says "Afa Laho anka".
Allah give thee grace! why didst thou grant them exemption until those who told the truth were seen by thee in a clear light, and thou hadst proved the liars?.
the prophet wanted from his uncle to enter Islam, and he just insisted , so he made no mistake
A further question, did the Prophet make any mistake at all? Like in ?abasa?. Who inspired him to make those mistakes?
this is not a mistake, the prophet was busy and he was talking to the leaders of Quraish calling him to Islam, and this man who was blind, came and interupted them, so the prophet got angry and he didn't talk to him, and the verse came to blame the prophet not said that this thing was a mistake .
-
You're still making mistakes, and you don't how Arabic language evolved . so stop lying to yourself .
I said when Salamo Alaykom alone without being in a sentence , we spell it like that Salamo Alykom.
when the both words are in a sentence , we spell it like that Salamun Alaykom .
there is no relation between what you said and what you're talking about, so give it a break and stop playing .
First of all,I know what you said and it doesn't make sense because in the Quran 'salamun alaykum' appears in both sentences and stand alone quotes. You need to check the other verses because like I already said the one I gave you was just an example.
Secondly, I'm off because I cannot discuss with anyone who is arrogant and disrespectful as you are. No one here is going to agree with anyone who shows them disrespect so you're just wasting your time. -
Of course, because Quran speaks of being drunk but doesn?t assign any punishement. However if the drunk causes any harm, that?s a separate judgement.
so Quran doesn't assign any punishement, we will not be clever and bring a punishement, is that what you want? .
well let me remind you that the punishement for a drunk has been proved from Quran by Omar Bno Al-Khatab when he suggested that drinking makes the man wrecked, and when the man became wrecked, he got hallucinations, and when he hallucinated, he said bad words, and saying bad words is kadf and the punishment for kadf is 80 lashes.
So in other words, for you Quran is useless now. It only talks about past events. But here?s the problem, by this reasoning, you?re saying the sunna/kalima/hukm of Allah CHANGES but Allah insists that it doesn?t.
Quran is timeless and I say nothing about changing the words of God and his laws, the propblem is you think that by being clevere and suggest new laws according to Quran is forbidden which is in fact not banned .
There?s no point in knowing any asbab an nuzool because they were made up long after the Quran.
some could be but the majority were not .
-
"" in arabic language means the "enjoyment by desires" and the verse means that the prophet peace be upon him what he said is not anything from his own desires or someone played. everything he said is the truth.
ah by the way before at the time of the prophet there were poets, and they were Good in making sayings tough ones and the were called the speaker of hawa . that's why the verse said that the prophet is not like them.
the daleel is the interpretation of the word in arabic. you can look for it yourself.
Not al-hawa, HUWA. In HUWAA illa wahyun yuhaa (54/4)
I can cite another daleel from hadith but as I see you're not a follower of hadith.
the translation is wrong, God doesn't say "I forgive you" in fact he says "Afa Laho anka".Allah give thee grace! why didst thou grant them exemption until those who told the truth were seen by thee in a clear light, and thou hadst proved the liars?.
the prophet wanted from his uncle to enter Islam, and he just insisted , so he made no mistake
What does ?grace? mean? Why do you need grace if you didn?t do something wrong?
Uncle, what uncle? There?s no uncle in this ayah, this sura or even the whole Quran! The ayah is talking about a context of war between the believers and the kafireen and this is about the munafiqeen?
Do you read the Quran for yourself at all?
this is not a mistake, the prophet was busy and he was talking to the leaders of Quraish calling him to Islam, and this man who was blind, came and interupted them, so the prophet got angry and he didn't talk to him, and the verse came to blame the prophet not said that this thing was a mistake .
So this ?thing? is a mistake but the Prophet didn?t make a mistake then, lol? Who made the mistake then? Ask your mufassiroon?
-
First of all,I know what you said and it doesn't make sense because in the Quran 'salamun alaykum' appears in both sentences and stand alone quotes. You need to check the other verses because like I already said the one I gave you was just an example.
Secondly, I'm off because I cannot discuss with anyone who is arrogant and disrespectful as you are. No one here is going to agree with anyone who shows them disrespect so you're just wasting your time.well, I think you want from me to flatter you !! isn't? ; sorry look for another guy can do it (the biggest liar is the flatterer).
one more thing, I'm not looking for anyone here to agree with me, I don't need him .
P.S don't talk about something, you don't know anything about it.
-
ok, got it
the hadith has took a great part in studying it, so people came from everywhere to take ahadih after the death of prophet . So the question is why people want to study hadith if it was fabricated as guys here pretend ?
All the Salaf Asalih have been guided from God to study hadith and classified it
( َ
here in this verse God said to the prophet that Quran must be interpreted .
and about the salaf asaleh " "
this verse is an order from God to ask the scholars .
Lol, this is your proof?
That is not proof Bro, seriously.
I asked you to prove that Ahadith are infallible.
-
so Quran doesn't assign any punishement, we will not be clever and bring a punishement, is that what you want? .
You call it ?clever? but I have another name for it.
well let me remind you that the punishement for a drunk has been proved from Quran by Omar Bno Al-Khatab when he suggested that drinking makes the man wrecked, and when the man became wrecked, he got hallucinations, and when he hallucinated, he said bad words, and saying bad words is kadf and the punishment for kadf is 80 lashes.
That?s not proof ?from the Quran?, that?s proof from the hadith USING the Quran in an irrelevant way.
I know drunks who don?t do qadhf at all. So there?s no punishment for them, thank you.
Quran is timeless and I say nothing about changing the words of God and his laws, the propblem is you think that by being clevere and suggest new laws according to Quran is forbidden which is in fact not banned
Well if you believe ayah 10/99 then any person who leaves Islam is free. If you suggest any punishment, that?s not ?being clever?, that?s being ?anti-quranic?
some could be but the majority were not .
According to whose opinion? Your ulema again. Your entire Islam is made by your ulema.
-
Not al-hawa, HUWA. In HUWAA illa wahyun yuhaa (54/4)
after asking about HUWA and its meanings , you to see what before Huma because Huwa is a Damir ishara.
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
By the Star when it goes down,
Your Companion is neither astray nor being misled,
Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) Desire.
It is no less than inspiration sent down to him
He was taught by one Mighty in Power,
Endued with Wisdom for he appeared (in stately form)the verses described that the prophet's sayings besides Quran are also an inspiration. huwa means the prophet sayings .
What does ?grace? mean? Why do you need grace if you didn?t do something wrong?
Yes, it is wrong but it's not a mistake. when the teacher said to you that your sentence is wrong, that doesn't mean that your sentence is a mistake. wrong is not mistake, do you understand ?
plus the man who came to interupt them is mistaken, because he interupt two people talking. God blames the prophet not because he didn't want to talk to him, he blames him because he insists in talking with the people in calling him to Islam like he wants to force it .
Uncle, what uncle? There?s no uncle in this ayah, this sura or even the whole Quran! The ayah is talking about a context of war between the believers and the kafireen and this is about the munafiqeen?
I said uncle just to show the difference between the thread and the verses that you have stated. I know that Quran is timeless and this situation can be today too.
Do you read the Quran for yourself at all?
what's your point?
So this ?thing? is a mistake but the Prophet didn?t make a mistake then, lol? Who made the mistake then? Ask your mufassiroon?
No, he didn't make any mistake, as you said before it was wrong but surely it's not mistake.
-
Lol, this is your proof?
That is not proof Bro, seriously.
I asked you to prove that Ahadith are infallible.ah so I misunderstood your question, so you want to know if the Ahadith are infallible .
ah well, the Ahadith are from the companions of the prophet peace be upon him, and the companions taught people about these ahadith, and people taught their kindered and so on until today. why do you think that Ahadith can be distorted known that Omar Bno Al-khatab has aware people that he will kill anyone tried to make up any hadith about prophet?
I knew poems before the birth of the prophet and before the call of Islam, so being seeing these poems alive means that ahadiths are also authentic and are from the prophet.
