one Question for Quranists
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Yes, it gives me the right because this one is arguing without knowledge which he will make angry, and when I become angry, I can be rude . so after all you are the responsable of me being rude.
Very creative logic.
You have just admitted that you're very emotional and not capable of containing your anger. Yet then you go on to claim that others are responsible for that bad behaviour of yours. I assume that you're a grownup, no? In that case it is you alone who is responsible for your behaviour.
Since you are a hadith lover I am sure you have heard the hadith in which the prophet says that a strong man is the one who controls his emotions when he is angry.
So according to that and your own definition, you are a very weak person.
As for "arguing without knowledge" -- you have repeatedly said things which are factually wrong, thus exposing a lack of knowledge on particular issues. So by your own reasoning, other people should now have the right to be rude to you.
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wish you nice inspirations then tempt laugh
they said " when a fool man spoke, don't wait a wise quote"
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Very creative logic.
You have just admitted that you're very emotional and not capable of containing your anger. Yet then you go on to claim that others are responsible for that bad behaviour of yours. I assume that you're a grownup, no? In that case it is you alone who is responsible for your behaviour.
Since you are a hadith lover I am sure you have heard the hadith in which the prophet says that a strong man is the one who controls his emotions when he is angry.
So according to that and your own definition, you are a very weak person.
As for "arguing without knowledge" -- you have repeatedly said things which are factually wrong, thus exposing a lack of knowledge on particular issues. So by your own reasoning, other people should now have the right to be rude to you.
http//www.cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/boese/g015.gifYes , you're right about the hadith but you forgot why he said that and what for ???? always a lack of knowledge .
strong not literally, he said the strong one, is the one who controls his emotions when he is angry, this means that the one who controlls his emotion of outrage is strong in controlling his soul because it is evil and he kept the satan away from him, so he is strong. try to be in front of me when I'm angry and let's see how strong I'll be (just kidding).
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Yes , you're right about the hadith but you forgot why he said that and what for ????
How on earth are you able to know whether I forgot this or not? Or, for that matter, whether I ever knew it in the first place?
Not that it is relevant; this hadith is pretty much self-explanatory. I am just amazed at your assumptions.
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How on earth are you able to know whether I forgot this or not? Or, for that matter, whether I ever knew it in the first place?
you didn't mention it on the board, so that's why I said you forgot because you have to write everything . not just copied from a somewhere and pasted it .
Not that it is relevant; this hadith is pretty much self-explanatory. I am just amazed at your assumptions.
I am just amazed at your contradictions. you don't follow hadith yet I must use it to reply to this guy.
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This is where we have the problem. A lot of, if not all PM's believe that the Prophet PBUH's sole job was to deliver the message and that's it. And then they use certain ayats to back up their claim, thus going so far as even equating the Prophet PBUH to a postman who just delivers the message/letter/ post etc
In the love for Bukhari's gossip, you seem to have directly criticised Allah since He, not people on Free Minds, says that the basic responsibility and job assignment of the Messenger is to deliver the Aa'ya'at/Message of Allah. He is talking to people, telling them the contents of Qur'aan........
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and if they turn their backs and go then let them go
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since the only responsibility upon you is to deliver/convey/pass on the messagehttp//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/003.%20Aale%20Imran/temp09%203.15d.gif
And/since Allah is ever watching/focused attention to His servants.http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/003.%20Aale%20Imran/03.%2001--.htm
Go to above link which will take you to all these verses.
To follow the footprints of the Messenger is to act in the manner that none between him and us comes any third person. And we will be following him in letter and spirit only when we follow that which he followed in his entire life span. What did he follow? Find that and start following it, you will exactly be following the Messenger as if he is still living.
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To reformer or anyone,
use your brain first, any advice rule is time dependent or place dependent, so Mohammed SAW should have given advice based on the place he lived, so if you want copy his actions dress hairstyle etc.. and say they are universal sunnah, its too foolish.
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To reformer or anyone,
use your brain first, any advice rule is time dependent or place dependent, so Mohammed SAW should have given advice based on the place he lived, so if you want copy his actions dress hairstyle etc.. and say they are universal sunnah, its too foolish.
forget the hairstyle and the dress, how do you perform the noon prayer , or how do you pray in general?
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you didn't mention it on the board, so that's why I said you forgot
Ah, I see. Yes, that makes perfect sense. http//www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/sprachlos/speechless-smiley-004.gif
because you have to write everything .
Says who?
not just copied from a somewhere and pasted it .
There was nothing copied and posted in the post you were referring to.
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Ah, I see. Yes, that makes perfect sense.
nothing is perfect.
Says who?
Says me
There was nothing copied and posted in the post you were referring to.
ok I see ( you know this thing but you don't believe in it ) the old bla bla.
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Dear Mazhar
Like I said previously, you are missing the point and have quoted exactly what I stipulated. You have used the ayats relating to delivering the message but have conveniently left out anything to do with explaining the message. If for arguments sake I agree with you on delivery only, then how can the Prophet PBUH be judge and jury exactly like David, Moses and Jesus were? They all used the respective scriptures given to them by Allah SWT to judge their communities. Or were they also told to only deliver the message and then walk away? Part of delivering the message was to explain clearly and concisely what the message was.
You can only be a judge if you know and understand the law of the land. The Prophet PBUH had to understand the message he was delivering. And how did he understand? Because Allah SWT taught him and thus he practiced what he preached to show the people the right path. After that, his job was done.
If the job was to deliver without explanation, the Quran could have been placed on a rock with each person having a go themselves, similar to what PM's are doing. Allah SWT chose men throughout time to deliver His Divine Writs for a reason.
So once again, it is an article of faith to follow the Prophet PBUH because Allah SWT told mankind to follow him to get to Allah SWT. Not worship him, but follow him.
567 O APOSTLE! Announce all that has been bestowed from on high upon thee by thy Sustainer for unless thou doest it fully, thou wilt not have delivered His message . And God will protect thee from men behold, God does not guide people who refuse to acknowledge the truth.
4105 BEHOLD, We have bestowed upon thee from on high this divine writ, setting forth the truth, so that thou may judge between people in accordance with what God has taught thee. Hence, do not contend with those who are false to their trust,
542 those who eagerly listen to any falsehood, greedily swallowing all that is evil! Hence, if they come to thee , thou mayest either judge between them or leave them alone for, if thou leave them alone, they cannot harm thee in any way. But if thou dost judge, judge between them with equity verily, God knows those who act equitably.
2448 And whenever they are summoned unto God and His Apostle in order that might judge between them, lo! some of them turn away;
Finally, additional to being a Prophet and Messenger, Allah SWT also gave separate rulings which were only applicable to the Prophet PBUH which included extra prayers during the night and no one marrying his wives after his death. But people tend to put the Prophet PBUH in the same category as the average Joe Bloggs. No, he was especially chosen for the job because he had qualities better than the rest of us. He was the best example to follow in order to come to Allah SWT because Allah SWT said so.
How difficult can it be to accept this? I am sure that anyone of you that work, have absolutely no problems in towing the line of your bosses and following their aims and objectives for the corporation, but have a problem following the Prophet PBUH towards Allah SWT for salvation.
Peace
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Dear Mazhar
Like I said previously, you are missing the point and have quoted exactly what I stipulated. You have used the ayats relating to delivering the message but have conveniently left out anything to do with explaining the message. If for arguments sake I agree with you on delivery only, then how can the Prophet PBUH be judge and jury exactly like David, Moses and Jesus were? They all used the respective scriptures given to them by Allah SWT to judge their communities. Or were they also told to only deliver the message and then walk away? Part of delivering the message was to explain clearly and concisely what the message was.
You can only be a judge if you know and understand the law of the land. The Prophet PBUH had to understand the message he was delivering. And how did he understand? Because Allah SWT taught him and thus he practiced what he preached to show the people the right path. After that, his job was done.
If the job was to deliver without explanation, the Quran could have been placed on a rock with each person having a go themselves, similar to what PM's are doing. Allah SWT chose men throughout time to deliver His Divine Writs for a reason.
So once again, it is an article of faith to follow the Prophet PBUH because Allah SWT told mankind to follow him to get to Allah SWT. Not worship him, but follow him.
567 O APOSTLE! Announce all that has been bestowed from on high upon thee by thy Sustainer for unless thou doest it fully, thou wilt not have delivered His message . And God will protect thee from men behold, God does not guide people who refuse to acknowledge the truth.
4105 BEHOLD, We have bestowed upon thee from on high this divine writ, setting forth the truth, so that thou may judge between people in accordance with what God has taught thee. Hence, do not contend with those who are false to their trust,
542 those who eagerly listen to any falsehood, greedily swallowing all that is evil! Hence, if they come to thee , thou mayest either judge between them or leave them alone for, if thou leave them alone, they cannot harm thee in any way. But if thou dost judge, judge between them with equity verily, God knows those who act equitably.
2448 And whenever they are summoned unto God and His Apostle in order that might judge between them, lo! some of them turn away;
Finally, additional to being a Prophet and Messenger, Allah SWT also gave separate rulings which were only applicable to the Prophet PBUH which included extra prayers during the night and no one marrying his wives after his death. But people tend to put the Prophet PBUH in the same category as the average Joe Bloggs. No, he was especially chosen for the job because he had qualities better than the rest of us. He was the best example to follow in order to come to Allah SWT because Allah SWT said so.
How difficult can it be to accept this? I am sure that anyone of you that work, have absolutely no problems in towing the line of your bosses and following their aims and objectives for the corporation, but have a problem following the Prophet PBUH towards Allah SWT for salvation.
Peace
Nice reply Zulu12, but be sure that they will not answer you, or if they do they will say that the hadith is manipulated.
anayway I've read your reply and I like it so much especially the last paragraph "it was so good" the boss things )
Salam
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Dear thereformer1
It's true though. Anyone here that doesn't own their company and works for someone, has no problem following the boss, but when it comes to following the best boss in order to get to The Boss, they have a major problem thinking they are equal or better than the Prophet PBUH.
Anyway, each person to their own.
Salaam
Peace
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Nice reply Zulu12, but be sure that they will not answer you, or if they do they will say that the hadith is manipulated.
anayway I've read your reply and I like it so much especially the last paragraph "it was so good" the boss things
Salam
It is better for you to keep blowing baloons. You conveniently forgot your earlier post that none will answer attending his post. Everything is called hearsay until and unless the narrator has personally listened it from the tongue of the person to whom he is attributing the statement or has not got in written form. Bukhari collected gossips from the boys and people in the streets of his city from where he was finally ousted and compiled it calling them 'Hadith".
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Like I said previously, you are missing the point and have quoted exactly what I stipulated. You have used the ayats relating to delivering the message but have conveniently left out anything to do with explaining the message. If for arguments sake I agree with you on delivery only, then how can the Prophet PBUH be judge and jury exactly like David, Moses and Jesus were? They all used the respective scriptures given to them by Allah SWT to judge their communities. Or were they also told to only deliver the message and then walk away? Part of delivering the message was to explain clearly and concisely what the message was.
Let me show you the footage of those days and see what the Messenger was in reality doing
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And if any one from the polytheists seeks protection from you then you the Messenger grant him till he may listen the Words of Allah;
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afterwards he has listened then you make him reach his place of safety.http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/009.%20At%20Tauba/009.%20At%20Tauba.htm
Do you think he was asked to explain those gossips of Bukhari etc?If the job was to deliver without explanation, the Quran could have been placed on a rock with each person having a go themselves, similar to what PM's are doing. Allah SWT chose men throughout time to deliver His Divine Writs for a reason.
This was also done. The Book given to Musa alahissalam was on rock tablets
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And We had written down for him in the Tablets
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a polite and affectionate advice regarding each and every matter/act of appropriate conduct
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and containing distinct and separate for each and every thing/matter.
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"Therefore hold these firmly and you command your nation that they should adopt the best of it ;
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/007.%20Al%20Airaaf/007.%20Al%20Airaaf%20M.htmWhat happened afterwards? They had their own Bukhari's who wrote "hadith" books, and even is captioned, "fake hadith".
Did the Last Messenger accept a single "hadith" of Ibrahim, Ismail, Musa, Easa alahissalam which were prevelent in his days? Why not he accepted all such gossips covered under the sanctity of "hadith of the Messengers"? What was his answer in response to people's claim and their quotations? If we adopt the same attitude to what Bukhari's of our times tell us, we will only in that case be following the Last Messenger. And without following the Last Messenger no one is going to land in Paradise.
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It is better for you to keep blowing baloons. You conveniently forgot your earlier post that none will answer attending his post. Everything is called hearsay until and unless the narrator has personally listened it from the tongue of the person to whom he is attributing the statement or has not got in written form. Bukhari collected gossips from the boys and people in the streets of his city from where he was finally ousted and compiled it calling them 'Hadith".
and it is better for you to cath the blowing baloons. if it was Bukhari as you said collecting hadith from streets, he will not even mention people like you .
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Dear thereformer1
It's true though. Anyone here that doesn't own their company and works for someone, has no problem following the boss, but when it comes to following the best boss in order to get to The Boss, they have a major problem thinking they are equal or better than the Prophet PBUH.
Anyway, each person to their own.
Salaam
Peace
Salam Alaykom Zulu12;
Yeah you're right " each person to their own" ...I'm really wasting my time with these people .
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and it is better for you to cath the blowing baloons. if it was Bukhari as you said collecting hadith from streets, he will not even mention people like you .
If he was not collecting it from various people in the streets, then from where he got a million "hadith" from which he selected only about 4500 for his book and threw the rest in the dust bin? Was he not the rejector of majority of hadith he collected and then threw away?