Pork & Logic
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peace to all,
the subject of this thread might sound funny but still now I couldnt find any strong logic against pork meat to prohibit it. Can anyone provide some good point or arguement on this issue.
peace
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Which argument makes the most sense?
I would have to agree with the disease senerio. We have come a long way in 2000 years. It's time to drop the old stigmas surrounding pigs and cook the pork until the trichinosis problem is no longer a concern.
Better yet, it would do man more spiritual good if man were to learn to use genetics to grow his meat... as opposed to the killing of animals to supplant his diet. We have done it in the lab. We are almost there.
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It's time to drop the old stigmas surrounding pigs and cook the pork until the trichinosis problem is no longer a concern.
lol I remember this guy I met, he told me the things he doesn't it (in following his spirituality) - All meat/fish/eggs/Dairy/Garlic/sodas/coffee/alcohol.. and some other stuff I don't remember. So with shock, I asked him, so what DO you eat? He answered me with a smile... (something in the lines of) There's so much variety of foods that I enjoy. shock
Pig, I can definitely live without. I pretty much eat everything else out there!
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Peace be upon you MZ and all,
Wow, can it be that we were fooled yet again?
Why isn't a maggot resticted?
Why not Rats?Joe said something that made me think, how are pigs readily available when one is starving?
Damn this is a big test!!!!!!!!
Indeed I want to be one who follows the correct focus(qibla).
Wow, I am blown away on this one. This was probably the most deeply ingrained concept from when I was sunni, it was the first discipline that I put myself on.
I still don't see myself eating pigs though, just like I still won't eat maggots and rats, but still........sweesh!
Any one else besides MZagree that pork actually is not forbidden? (that was even hard to type!!)
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Peace Too All
Any one else besides MZagree that pork actually is not forbidden? (that was even hard to type!!)
I think it is ridiculous to restrict pork as it is to eat beef,...or fish for that matter. It's irrelevant, and at the same time,...all the same.
If you feel guilt, You should to make it a matter of reverence to eat anything, as the American Indians did whenever they would kill for food. Thank the subject for it's life and show appreciation for it's sacrifice.
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I have to tell you Idolfree! With all due respect to the porkers that have given their lives for some of us...porkchops, pork steak and ham is about the best tasting meat there is. I think even better than beef steak!
I've never had a rat or a maggot but I'll bet that they couldn't even come close!
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peace MythozDog,
We have come a long way in 2000 years. It's time to drop the old stigmas surrounding pigs and cook the pork until the trichinosis problem is no longer a concern.
Ahh, so it was because of trichinosis al quran made pig meat restricted? Thanks for the clarification.
wink
Wakas
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I ate pork sometime while I was in spain and also now in france. Its not that bad wink and I also dont feel the guilt...but I am bit confused though. But more this topic is discussed the more I think it will get clear. I think in this matter believe is dominating more rather than logic. I am sure things will clear up but my instinct says pork is not forbidden. But anyway Time will tell.
keep it up bro and sis D
peace
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Peace be upon you all,
Day #2 and I am still amazed.
But what then are these signs telling us?
What is the symbolism of pigs and apes saying?
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Peace be upon you,
Are these signs telling us not to eat meat unless we are forced to by necessity?
It appears we have three main points which are
- dead/decaying flesh,
- pouring blood,
- and rotten stinking something (Khanzeer)
That sounds like all dead animals, they are the foods that bleed.
The God tells us to always go after the the pure nutricious food. WHile we also see a verse saying the cows are used for food by some of us, that would be true due to necessity, but that does not mean we should eat them.
The body eats because it needs the suns energy. PLANTS obtain the suns energy with chloryphl (spelling?). We eat the plants to get that energy from them. The only reason we were suppossed to be eating animals is because they ate the plants and so you could eat them and get the energy out of them, but this would seem to be the least preferred method because the "middle- man" also carries dangers.
Is this message teaching a vegetarian preferred diet, except when forced by necessity?
This is my thoughts out loud, please give all correction.
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Peace be upon you,
Any thoughts?
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Dear idolfree1,
Very interesting thoughts.
This really deserves being looked closer into, as our digestive system actually is much more like the grass/fruit eaters than the carnivorous beings.
Our body is perfectly fit to digest food with rich content of water, and in raw state, like fruits and vegetables.
In order to digest meat, we have to prepare it in certain ways, and our digestive system must slowly be ?acclimatized? to use this as a source of energy. The other beings living off meat, does not need to prepare the meat in any way, it is eaten raw, and as is.A very large part of our various sicknesses are also related to meat, directly, or indirectly.
Now you really get me wondering, is the whole ?pig-thing? just another scam, like so many others?Best regards
Ali Omar
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Peace be upon you Ali Omar,
Very good information you provided. I am almost convinced that this might be the case, we should be vegetarian and should not be eating meat, UNLESS we are forced to by necessity. This makes a lot more sense to me, although it will take a lot of discipline.
Does anyone see any reason why this understanding (vegetarianism) would be incorrect?
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Peace All,
I'm not so sure about the justification for not eating meat. If it was that simple, then surely the guidance would have been as simple.
We are not herbivores, we are omnivores. A baby calf will not eat meat, but a baby human will. Though there is a phenomenon of elk eating birds that is currently understood as a lack of protein in their diets.
Nevertheless, if we were not designed to eat meat, then we wouldn't eat meat. We cook meat because it's safer. We season it because it tastes better. Yet any eskimo will tell you there's nothing wrong with eating raw walrus or whale. Any South Korean will tell you there's nothing wrong with eating live octupus. Any aboriginal Indonesian will tell you there's nothing wrong with eating raw vampire bat.
We are an extremely adaptive species. And this is part of our design.
Peace,
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Peace,
All creatures of earth, including animals, birds and insects, can be classified as herbivirous or carnivorous. There's nothing wrong in eating meat. Al-Quran is ordained for humans, not for animals, birds and insects. Each have their own systems (Way of Life) to live on.
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Dear all,
I have never heard of any doctor telling a human being, ?Take care of your health; be sure to eat meat every day?.
However, in all reports, and from all nutritionists, I constantly see/hear ?Take care of your health; be sure to eat lots of vegetables and/or fruits every day?.
Do they know something that others do not, or do they just love vegetables and fruits?Human adaptability is not great, but our will to live, is, and therefore we will eat anything that is convenient, and/or can help us survive another day, including human flesh.
This is very different from saying that our digestive system can handle anything. There are numerous side effects from various kinds of things we put in our mouths, and there is no denying that most diseases can be traced back to our consumption of meat. Especially meat not ?properly? prepared, or meat not ?properly? stored etc.
Just another remark, it is found that to produce one chicken it takes ten times more energy than if we ate the grains and seeds directly.As a matter of fact there is also no mention of meat being served in Paradise, whereas gardens, fruits, honey and wine are specifically mentioned.
Also, in the ?well known? case of Adam and Eve it was a certain fruit tree that was of importance.All coincidences?
Anyway, I do not say that we should all be vegetarians, but does anyone think there might be more to the words of God, concerning food, than what we are used to believe?
Can anyone find any pointers, one way or another, in the Qur?an?Best regards
Ali Omar
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Peace be upon you all,
Very good points from everyone. It was pointed out to me that our example Ibrahim served his "guests" a roasted calf. So I don'tthink that we should be strict vegetarians. I cannot gather from the verse thatIbrahim was forced by necessity. But from the science level, as Ali Omar stated, fruits and vegetables are more suited for consumption.
(1819) ...Now send ye then one of you with this money of yours to the town let him find out which is the pure(azka) food and bring some to you, that (ye may) satisfy your hunger therewith...
It seems that while we are allowed meat, we need to make sure that we injest the most pure foods.
