4:82 & the word "ikhtilaaf"
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Salaam all,
Do they not reflect on the Quran? If it was from any other than God they would have found it very different. .
Some people translate the word "ikhtilaaf" as contradiction, but I've noticed on other thread here some user quoting it that way above. I was aware that the word "ikhtilaf" means difference and not contradiction.
But what do you all think about this word "ikhtilaaf" (difference)? different than what?
Christopher Luxemberg in his book about the aramaic reading of the Quran tries to say "different than the bible" but I don't agree to this interpretation, since i see it very different, at least the translations I can read of the bible!
any inputs are welcome
regards
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Salaam all,
Do they not reflect on the Quran? If it was from any other than God they would have found it very different. .
Some people translate the word "ikhtilaaf" as contradiction, but I've noticed on other thread here some user quoting it that way above. I was aware that the word "ikhtilaf" means difference and not contradiction.
But what do you all think about this word "ikhtilaaf" (difference)? different than what?
Christopher Luxemberg in his book about the aramaic reading of the Quran tries to say "different than the bible" but I don't agree to this interpretation, since i see it very different, at least the translations I can read of the bible!
any inputs are welcome
regards
saboSalam/Peace. group I am disappointed that no one answered you for 14 years, well i shall try
Check the root word of "ikhtilaaf" (ا
Kh-Lam-Fa = To follow/come after/succeed another, substitute or supersede, to supply/be a supplier to someone, to restore or replace a thing to someone, smite or strike from behind, yearn towards other than one's spouse (in the spouses absence/behind his or her back), speak of/mention someone behind his or her back, remain behind/not go forth, to be kept back from all good, to not prosper or be successful, to become corrupt or altered for the worse, retire/withdraw/go away, to turn away from/avoid/shun a thing, to become foolish/idiotic/deficient in intellect, contrarious/hard in disposition, to leave behind, to appoint someone as successor, disagree with or differ from someone, contradict or oppose someone, to break/fail to perform a promise, to follow reciprocally/alternate/interchange, repeatedly move to and fro (coming and going), to differ/ be dissimilar
Also check this verse
181
Alhamdu lillahi allatheeanzala AAala AAabdihi alkitaba walam yajAAal lahuAAiwajan
Praise be to God who has sent down the Book to His servant, and He has not made in it any crookedness.3923
Allahu nazzala ahsana alhadeethikitaban mutashabihan mathaniya taqshaAAirruminhu juloodu allatheena yakhshawna rabbahum thummataleenu julooduhum waquloobuhum ila thikri Allahithalika huda Allahi yahdee bihi man yashaowaman yudlili Allahu fama lahu min hadin
God has sent down the best narrative, a Book that is similar, dual. The skins of those who are concerned towards their Lord shiver from it, then their skins and their hearts soften up to the remembrance of God. Such is the guidance of God; He guides with it whoever He wills. And for whoever God misguides, then none can guide him.3924
Afaman yattaqee biwajhihi soo-a alAAathabiyawma alqiyamati waqeela lilththalimeenathooqoo ma kuntum taksiboona
As he who saves his face from the terrible retribution on the Day of Resurrection. And it will be said to the transgressors "Taste for what you have earned."3925
Kaththaba allatheena minqablihim faatahumu alAAathabu min haythu layashAAuroona
Those before them have denied, and thus the retribution came to them from where they did not perceive.3926
Faathaqahumu Allahu alkhizyafee alhayati alddunya walaAAathabual-akhirati akbaru law kanoo yaAAlamoona
So God made them taste the humiliation in this worldly life, but the retribution in the Hereafter is far greater, if only they knew.3927
Walaqad darabna lilnnasifee hatha alqur-ani min kulli mathalin laAAallahumyatathakkaroona
And We have put forth for the people in this Qur'an from every example, that they may take heed.3928
Qur-anan AAarabiyyan ghayra theeAAiwajin laAAallahum yattaqoona
A revelation in Arabic, without any crookedness, that they may be righteous.I believe Wakas made some comments on this. What did you say about this Wakas?
EDIT
Bold I am not sure about that ikhtilaaf really means "difference" because the grammar form of ikhtilaaf is masculine form VIII verbalnoun VN definite INDEF accusative (http//quranix.org/4#82) or in other words Verb (form VIII) (http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=xlf#(48212))
If it really was the meaning "difference" then it would have been like yakhtalifoona (ن
(http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=xlf#(211331)) -
Peace, ikhtilafan/divergences of (note single occurrence with leading and trailing alif)...
482 do so not they reflecting the qur?an and in case be from near/with other than the god surely found they of in it ikhtilafan/divergences of kathiran/much of (3+)
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/82?handschrift=163
https//s33.postimg.cc/ae5ykvlov/ch4v81-89.jpg
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Peace, ikhtilafan/divergences of (note single occurrence with leading and trailing alif)...
What does divergences mean?
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that word appears only once so cross checking is not really possible.
why only once ?
due to a reason so that people who want to peal the skin of hair can find the 2nd ikhtalafan. and then they will say becoz there are two ikhtalafan in quran hence its a fake bookauthor saved u here too guys hmm
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that word appears only once so cross checking is not really possible.
why only once ?
due to a reason so that people who want to peal the skin of hair can find the 2nd ikhtalafan. and then they will say becoz there are two ikhtalafan in quran hence its a fake bookauthor saved u here too guys hmm
You sadly lost me dear brother.
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You sadly lost me dear brother.
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I meant, i didn't understand what you were trying to answer. (
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basically i m trying to say that word "ikhtilafan" used by author of quran just once
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basically i m trying to say that word "ikhtilafan" used by author of quran just once
Is that so? I wonder why Allah/God (SWTAY) used that word once? That is very interesting.
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But it's root is found 127 times. Don't you look to root to change the meaning?
I meant the derivative. Not the root word.
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Plus i made a addon on my first reply.
I am not sure about that ikhtilaaf really means "difference" because the grammar form of ikhtilaaf is masculine form VIII verbalnoun VN definite INDEF accusative (http//quranix.org/4#82) or in other words Verb (form VIII) (http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=xlf#(48212))
If it really was the meaning "difference" then it would have been like yakhtalifoona (ن
(http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=xlf#(211331)) -
What does divergences mean?
difference, variation, divergence, diversity, distinction, variance
divergence
dvd(əns/Submit
noun
1.
the process or state of diverging.
"the divergence between primates and other groups"
synonyms separation, dividing, parting, forking, branching; More -
difference, variation, divergence, diversity, distinction, variance
divergence
dvd(əns/Submit
noun
1.
the process or state of diverging.
"the divergence between primates and other groups"
synonyms separation, dividing, parting, forking, branching; MoreBold 1 I happen to check the transcription on http//mylanguages.org/arabic_romanization.php and it said it was "akhtlaf" (ف. Plus i noticed the difference of "ikhtilaaf" (ا & that arabic word you used. It's not even the same derivative.
Bold 2 It seems you forgot to add all the meanings (the more button)
divergence
dvd(əns/
nounnoun divergence
1.
the process or state of diverging.
"the divergence between primates and other groups"
synonyms separation, dividing, parting, forking, branching; fork, division; technicalbifurcation
"the divergence of the human and great ape lineages"
a difference in opinions, interests, etc.
plural noun divergences
"a fundamental divergence of attitude"
synonyms difference, dissimilarity, variance, polarity, disparity, contrast; disagreement, discrepancy, incompatibility, mismatch, conflict, clash; rareunlikeness, dissimilitude
"there is a marked political divergence between them"
deviation, digression, departure, shift, drift, drifting, straying, deflection, wandering, moving away;
variation, change, alteration;
raredivagation
"they record any divergence from standard behaviour"
antonyms similarity
a place where airflows or ocean currents diverge, typically marked by downwelling (of air) or upwelling (of water). -
Is that so? I wonder why Allah/God (SWTAY) used that word once? That is very interesting.
author used it due to a reason
if you read my first reply again then u can see the possible reason although the root used quite a lot in different meaning from alternate,different,successor and so on.
but we are not hunting roots we are on about that word "ikhtilafan"word ikhtalaf also means disagree
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author used it due to a reason
if you read my first reply again then u can see the possible reason although the root used quite a lot in different meaning from alternate,different,successor and so on.
but we are not hunting roots we are on about that word "ikhtilafan"word ikhtalaf also means disagree
I am not sure on that, i honestly believe it means "contradiction" because notice the word before ikhtilafan (ا there is lawajadoo feehi ( ه
Waw-Jiim-Dal = to find what was lost, perceive, obtain, find any one or anything (such and such).
Wajad (prf. 3rd. p. m. sing.) Found.
Wajadaa (prf. 3rd. p. m. dual) The twain found.
Wajaduu (prf 3rd. p. m. plu.) They found.
Wajadtum (prf. 2nd. p. m. plu.) Ye find.
Wajadtumuuhum (additional waw before a personal pronoun Hum to ease pronunciation) Ye find them.
Wajadtu (prf. 1st. p. sing.) I found.
Wajadnaa (prf. 1st. p. plu.) We found.
Yajid (imp. 3rd. p. m. sing. juss.) Finds.
Tajidu (imp. 2nd. p. m. sing.) Thou find.
Tajida (imp. 3rd. p. f. sing.) She will find.
Tajudanna (imp. 2nd. p. m. sing. emp.) Surely thou will find.
Tajiduuna (imp. 2nd. p. m. plu. ) Ye will find.
Tajiduu (final nun dropped) Thou will find.
Yajiduuna (imp. 3rd. p. m. plu.) They will find.
Yadjiduu (final nun dropped) They will find.
Ajidu (imp. 1st. p. sing.) I find.
Ajidanna (imp. 1st. p. sing. emp.) Surely I shall find.
Wujida (pp. 3rd. p. m. sing.) Is found.
Wujdun (n.) Means.By the way the "la" on wajadoo is a emphatic lm prefix, not a negative particle
See this from http//corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=(48210)
The tenth word of verse (482) is divided into 3 morphological segments. An emphatic prefix, verb and subject pronoun. The prefixed particle lm is usually translated as "surely" or "indeed" and is used to add emphasis. The perfect verb ( ض is third person masculine plural. The verb's triliteral root is ww jm dl ( د. The suffix (و is an attached subject pronoun.
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@ sardar there is no need to bring surrounding words
start like this way i ll help you a bit in it..
what is the arabic of contradiction as per you?
what is the classical arabic for contradiction as per your knowledge?
what is the spoken modern arabic for english word contradict?
do u have any idea if God used arabic word for contradiction anywhere?thats my method of understandin things
blessing in the name of God
