Formal Debate on Abrogation in the Quran

Thereformer1

If i havent 'converted' to Islam, how you call me 'brother'?

Also, 'brother', Islam is not the 'last' religion. Show me where from Quran, islam is called 'the LAST religion' from humanity?

We are all brother from one father in the top of the tree which is Adam and Eve .

by the way I mean by last religion not the last for humankind, we know all that the prophet all of them call for Islam but the people distorted it to christian and jewish as a religion, that's why I said the last because an atheist will ask why there are other religion if Islam is the only one .

Ok take the proof from Quran

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abdalquran

Ok take the proof from Quran
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So the 'proof' of the Quran that 'islam is the LAST religion of humanity' is the ayah which says 'this day i perfected islam for you'. Wow, whats the proof that the Quran teaches us to cook ravioli? the ayah which says 'do not marry your mothers'?

Thereformer1

Ok thank you.

You're welcome .

Abrogation is the branch of the 3ulum al-quran which deals with how some ayah of the Quran abrogates others. There are 3 kinds of abrogation (although some disagree) which are

when the mansookh is taken out of the quran as and the hukm is removed
when the mansookh remains in the quran but the hukm removed
when the mansookh is taken out and the hukm is left in.

is that my answer of my questions ????????????????? are you kidding ?

these answers are for these questions ( what is the abrogate ? and what are its branches? ) .

My questions are

what do you know about the abrogate and what is the different meaning of the abrogate ?

I know that the abrogate is a science of Quran, but what do you know about this science. don't play with me .

Thereformer1

So the 'proof' of the Quran that 'islam is the LAST religion of humanity' is the ayah which says 'this day i perfected islam for you'. Wow, whats the proof that the Quran teaches us to cook ravioli? the ayah which says 'do not marry your mothers'?

The word in Quran is " " which means that God and his prophet have gave the followers and the believers the religion of Islam that means that there are other religion made by human, so Islam by definition is the last religion on earth . I'm talking to an ignorance .

abdalquran

Lets not get sidetracked. Lets focus on the two ayatain which are abrogated. What are they and what is the daleel please? Thanks.

abdalquran

what do you know about the abrogate and what is the different meaning of the abrogate ?

I know that the abrogate is a science of Quran, but what do you know about this science. don't play with me .

In that case, you'll have to be more specific. What else would you like to know about it?

Thereformer1

In that case, you'll have to be more specific. What else would you like to know about it?

This is another question from you . Just answer as you told me just to answer you . Now answer .

P.S I didn't tell you to bring it all, just what you know. If the above is what you know, so the debate ends there. Besides I have to go now and I'm going to see your answer tomorrow if God willing and please don't copy and past.

abdalquran

You don't seem to understand. This is a DEBATE , not a quiz for a school prize.

Since you believe in the concept of abrogation, you must defend it. If I dont know about it you must educate me.

So lets stop the running about and face the questions please

What 2 ayah are abrogated and what is the daleel?

HIPNOMOD

You don't seem to understand. This is a DEBATE , not a quiz for a school prize.
Since you believe in the concept of abrogation, you must defend it. If I dont know about it you must educate me.
So lets stop the running about and face the questions please
What 2 ayah are abrogated and what is the daleel?

This is a debate, so basically you have to answer my questions and I have answer your questions, until see who is the winner . But as I see you want just to know my answers, so I'm the winner of this devate since you couldn't answer my questions .

I have been banned, so the mods are afraid of showing the people that I won this debate and I did win, but to say to people that he ran away, they banned me .

savage_carrot

You didn't win jack. You are banned for consistent refusal to show evidence of your claims. This isn't a nut house where you can get away with raving in a confined place. It's a forum with rules to ensure that we don't debate/talk/make claims about the quran with no evidence. If you try this again, you won't ever be coming back. You still have a chance right now to cool your heels and reflect.