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wait, how do you know I don't fight in the way of The God on behalf of the ill treated?
My responses are not bad, my responses are what I see. You're responses on the other hand, are full of smug emoticons, slanderous characterization (anyone who questions you at length is a prosecutor and judge I guess, I have seen other people doing this) smug smiles when you say "I believe in circumcision because its confirmed in the Torah."
You know its one thing to say you believe because of the supposed/purported (I'm not an expert on the health benefits of circumcision) health benefits, but to attribute it to The God and ignore The Book WHICH IS A CLEAR EXPLANATION OF EVERYTHING is something totally different. I don't know for sure, only The God knows, but lets just say we shouldn't be surprised if that smile is wiped off your face on Judgement Day.
How do you know I'm not God Fearing? I'm not saying I'm the most God fearing. I point out people who follow books, look for laws in books which ARE NOT FOR US. OUR LAWS TO BE FOLLOWED ARE IN THE QU'RAN. THE GOD DID NOT LEAVE OUT ANY IMPORTANT OR NECESSARY DETAILS LIKE WHETHER MUSLIMS SHOULD GET CIRCUMCISED ETC.
How do you know I wouldn't be just and fair with raising an orphan? (I've never been in this situation, but The God Willing I will do the right thing.) Please don't say I don't speak justly even when it concerns my near relatives. You simply DO NOT know what you are talking about. I am created weak, so sometimes I am afraid, but I usually just keep my mouth shut instead of lie when I am afraid I cannot speak justly for whatever reason.
Once again, don't reply for the sake of getting a response. You will not get it.
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wait, how do you know I don't fight in the way of The God on behalf of the ill treated?
My responses are not bad, my responses are what I see. You're responses on the other hand, are full of smug emoticons, slanderous characterization (anyone who questions you at length is a prosecutor and judge I guess, I have seen other people doing this) smug smiles when you say "I believe in circumcision because its confirmed in the Torah."
You know its one thing to say you believe because of the supposed/purported (I'm not an expert on the health benefits of circumcision) health benefits, but to attribute it to The God and ignore The Book WHICH IS A CLEAR EXPLANATION OF EVERYTHING is something totally different. I don't know for sure, only The God knows, but lets just say we shouldn't be surprised if that smile is wiped off your face on Judgement Day.
How do you know I'm not God Fearing? I'm not saying I'm the most God fearing. I point out people who follow books, look for laws in books which ARE NOT FOR US. OUR LAWS TO BE FOLLOWED ARE IN THE QU'RAN. THE GOD DID NOT LEAVE OUT ANY IMPORTANT OR NECESSARY DETAILS LIKE WHETHER MUSLIMS SHOULD GET CIRCUMCISED ETC.
How do you know I wouldn't be just and fair with raising an orphan? (I've never been in this situation, but The God Willing I will do the right thing.) Please don't say I don't speak justly even when it concerns my near relatives. You simply DO NOT know what you are talking about. I am created weak, so sometimes I am afraid, but I usually just keep my mouth shut instead of lie when I am afraid I cannot speak justly for whatever reason.
Once again, don't reply for the sake of getting a response. You will not get it.
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And I know The God will judge me. That's why I pointed out the things I pointed out, because I have a responsibility to speak justly.
So go ahead and laugh at me for pointing out that some hadith are paraphrasing the Qu'ran. (apparently I'm not the only user who was not afraid to bring up verses which match certain hadiths either) This is speaking justly. No where did I say we should follow hadith AS A RESULT OF THIS. Instead of painstakingly cross referencing hadith with the Qu'ran, we can simply rely on the Qu'ran itself. These were just observations I made IN A THREAD ABOUT HADITH. And in another thread assalamalikum from Canada, (which I brought up myself, speaking justly on my own behalf) when you were aware of only ONE instance when I brought up hadith.I brought up that other thread where I brought up only one hadith, the hellfire can't touch the following people hadith because I felt it was a compliment I could apply to a person I was replying to. And I brought it up in CONTEXT to what the person was saying HERSELF which is that she found some hadith to be INSPIRATIONAL and I said YES INDEED, BECAUSE FOR EXAMPLE THIS FOLLOWING HADITH ABOUT WHO HELLFIRE CAN'T TOUCH IS INSPIRATIONAL BECAUSE IT IS ACTUALLY A PARAPHRASAL OF WHAT IS IN THE QU'RAN.
So go ahead and make your accusations and slander and say that I don't follow certain verses, The God will judge me and I know He will and I worry about pleasing Him, not you. (Though it is not my intention to intentionally anger/hurt anyone, but I am afraid as a result of proof and not unsubstantiated malevolent suspicion this is falling on deaf ears)
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Would you think we can sacrifice lions/monkeys/cats/lizards on Hajj if one go?
I?m asking you this question because you believe that we are allowed to eat them.
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Can you show me where in the Qu'ran these animals are banned?
Can you tell me how you would kill these animals in a halal way?
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I wouldn't eat them out of wanting to eat them (not needing to eat them)specifically because I don't think a monkey or a lion or a cat would ever be able to slaughtered in a halaal way. Lions and cats themselves go for throats when they kill. I am not sure, but I have a feeling they would not be too pleased (to say the least) if you tried to go for their throat, approach them/set them up to have their throats slit. And even if you could, it would have to be lightening fast, I wouldn't want to be in the shoes of a person who was not able to slit a lion or a cat's throat quickly and completely. And if you don't slit its throat quickly and completely, you will cause it unnecessary suffering, and this is similar to having it gored to death I am assuming. I don't think it would be easy to do it to a monkey either. Or a bird of prey. My cats have been living with me for a long time and still do not trust me around their throats. I can rub their chin gently but they usually paw my hand away after a while or move away, sometimes even jump away. Nor would it be simple to do it to a lizard, I'm guessing it would probably run away immediately or wriggle uncontrollably and thus cause perforations away from its throat area and which would result in "goring" and painful and as such haraam bleeding to death. No different from killing with a violent blow/peforation, which is what this thread was originally about.
You can try this out yourself though, trying to slaughter the above animals in a halaal way and report back on your success. Or do you know of any links you can provide which show they have and can be slaughtered in a halaal way?
And The God allows us to eat anything when a dire situation is present.
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@ AK85
Anaam/livestock in the Quran are animals that eat crops. Here is the reminder;
Do they not realize that we drive the water to barren lands, and produce with it crops to feed their livestock, as well as themselves? Do they not see?
Anaam only can be sacrificed on Hajj because they are domesticated/subdued animals. Here is the reminder;
. Neither their meat, nor their blood reaches GOD. What reaches Him is your righteousness. He has subdued them for you, that you may show your appreciation by glorifying GOD for guiding you. Give good news to the charitable.
Annam/livestock are the only animals which can make them standing in line.
. The animal offerings are among the rites decreed by GOD for your own good. You shall mention GOD's name on them while they are stand- ing in line. Once they are offered for sacrifice, you shall eat therefrom and feed the poor and the needy. This is why we subdued them for you, that you may show your appreciation.
In 51 God makes lawful/Halal only Livestock on Hajj too
O you who believe, you shall fulfill your covenants. Permitted for you to eat are the livestock, except those specifically prohibited herein. You shall not permit hunting throughout Hajj pilgrimage. GOD decrees whatever He wills.
Would you still insist that Lions, monkey and cats can be sacrificed on Hajj? If so please show me the proof .Thanks
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It is, if you slaughter them halally to eat them. If not, then they probably died of some 28 days later like virus and you're better off not eating them in extreme circumstances. I'd sooner eat my arm than a dead zombie.
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My cats have been living with me for a long time and still do not trust me around their throats. I can rub their chin gently but they usually paw my hand away after a while or move away, sometimes even jump away.
Mine trust me with their lives. Must be something to do with my animal magnetism. Anyhow, I don't think eating a cat is a problem. Not that I would. One could tie it up and then do the deed. Not that I'm advocating anything of the sort either. -
It is, if you slaughter them halally to eat them. If not, then they probably died of some 28 days later like virus and you're better off not eating them in extreme circumstances. I'd sooner eat my arm than a dead zombie.
Very vivid understanding. Permission for eating the otherwise prohibited things is in such condition;
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For desperate reason of quiver/shudder because of extreme hunger one will not be held guilty of sin for eating any of the forbidden things
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provided he had no urge and liking for that, and he does not transgress the limit of relieving the state of quiver/shudder from hunger, Refer 503] -
I agree bro.
I find food prohibitions exciting reading, even though I'm exceedingly unadventurous in the food dept.
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I agree bro.
I find food prohibitions exciting reading, even though I'm exceedingly unadventurous in the food dept.
Excellent habit, manifestly opposite of this
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And those who have deliberately and persistently refused to accept they have thoughtlessly absorbed themselves in worldly enjoyment and they eat like the regurgitating manner of eating of herbivore mammals.Chapter 47-Verse 12
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It is, if you slaughter them halally to eat them. If not, then they probably died of some 28 days later like virus and you're better off not eating them in extreme circumstances. I'd sooner eat my arm than a dead zombie.
what about those in that film Alive, a true sotry, who had to eat the dead to survive?
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Basically everything is on in regards to food in hardship/survival mode except killing humans for food no matter how plump and enticing they might look to the starved.
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Well I don't remember the verse and chapter, and I apologize for this I know its really bad but I read something that was banning suspicion or backbiting, and it said this is even more abominable than eating your dead brother's flesh (well apparently its only Khalifa's translation that says suspicion is more abominable than eating flesh of your dead brother, but all the other translations still say it is something abhorrent, something you would hate/abhor)
al-Hujurat (The Private Apartments, The Inner Apartments, The Chambers) 4912
4912
Transliteration Ya ayyuha allatheena amanoo ijtaniboo katheeran mina alththanni inna baAAda alththanni ithmun wala tajassasoo wala yaghtab baAAdukum baAAdan ayuhibbu ahadukum an ya/kula lahma akheehi maytan fakarihtumoohu waittaqoo Allaha inna Allaha tawwabun raheemun
Literal You, you those who believed, avoid/distance yourselves from much of the doubt/suspicion , that truly some/part (of) the doubt/suspicion (is a) sin/crime, and do not spy/seek information (about others) and some of youdo not backbite some (each other). Does any of you love/like that (E) he eats his dead/lifeless brother's flesh ? So you hated it, and fear and obey God, that truly God (is) forgiving, merciful.
Yusuf Ali O ye who believe! Avoid suspicion as much (as possible) for suspicion in some cases is a sin And spy not on each other behind their backs. Would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Nay, ye would abhor it...But fear Allah For Allah is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.
Pickthal O ye who believe! Shun much suspicion; for lo! some suspicion is a crime. And spy not, neither backbite one another. Would one of you love to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Ye abhor that (so abhor the other)! And keep your duty (to Allah). Lo! Allah is Relenting, Merciful.
Arberry O believers, eschew much suspicion; some suspicion is a sin. And do not spy, neither backbite one another; would any of you like to eat the flesh of his brother dead? You would abominate it. And fear you God; assuredly God turns, and He is All-compassionate.
Shakir O you who believe! avoid most of suspicion, for surely suspicion in some cases is a sin, and do not spy nor let some of you backbite others. Does one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? But you abhor it; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, surely Allah is Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful.
Sarwar Believers, stay away from conjecture; acting upon some conjecture may lead to sin. Do not spy on one another or back-bite. Would any of you like to eat the disgusting dead flesh of your brother? Have fear of God; God accepts repentance and is All-merciful.
Khalifa O you who believe, you shall avoid any suspicion, for even a little bit of suspicion is sinful. You shall not spy on one another, nor shall you backbite one another; this is as abominable as eating the flesh of your dead brother. You certainly abhor this. You shall observe GOD. GOD is Redeemer, Most Merciful.
Hilali/Khan O you who believe! Avoid much suspicions, indeed some suspicions are sins. And spy not, neither backbite one another. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? You would hate it (so hate backbiting) . And fear Allah. Verily, Allah is the One Who accepts repentance, Most Merciful.
H/K/Saheeh O you who have believed, avoid much assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin. And do not spy or backbite each other. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his brother when dead? You would detest it. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is Accepting of repentance and Merciful.
Malik O believers! Avoid immoderate suspicion, for in some cases suspicion is a sin. Do not spy on one another, nor backbite one another (to say something about another behind ones back that if one hears it, dislikes it). Would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Surely you would abhor it. Fear Allah; for Allah is the Accepter of repentance, Merciful.
QXP O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! Avoid much suspicion and guesswork. For, behold, some of such suspicion and guesswork deplete your communal energy. And spy not upon one another, nor shall you backbite one another. Would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Nay, you would detest it! Be mindful of Allah. Verily, Allah is Relenting, Merciful.
Maulana Ali O you who believe, avoid most of suspicion, for surely suspicion in some cases is sin; and spy not nor let some of you backbite others. Does one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? You abhor it! And keep your duty to Allah, surely Allah is Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful.
Free Minds O you who believe, you shall avoid much suspicion, for some suspicion is sinful. And do not spy on one another, nor shall you backbite one another. Would one of you enjoy eating the flesh of his dead brother? You certainly would hate this. You shall observe God. God is Redeemer, Merciful.
Qaribullah Believers, abstain from most suspicion, some suspicion is a sin. Neither spy nor backbite one another would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Surely, you would loathe it. Fear Allah, without doubt Allah turns (in mercy) and He is the Merciful.
George Sale O true believers, carefully avoid entertaining a suspicion of another For some suspicions are a crime. Inquire not too curiously into other mens failings Neither let the one of you speak ill of another in his abscence. Would any of you desire to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Surely ye would abhor it. And fear God For God is easy to be reconciled, and merciful.
JM Rodwell O Believers! avoid frequent suspicions, for some suspicions are a crime; and pry not neither let the one of you traduce another in his absence. Would any one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Surely ye would loathe it. And fear ye God for
Asad O you who have attained to faith! Avoid most guesswork - for, behold, some of guesswork is a sin; and do not spy upon one another, and neither allow yourselves to speak ill of one another behind your backs. Would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Nay, you would loathe it! And be conscious of God. Verily, God is an acceptor of repentance, a dispenser of grace!
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Quote<I never "insisted they can be sacrificed on hajj." Can you show me where I said that or what you drew that from? Thanks.>
You didn?t insist but kept writing about them and the method of catching/slaughtering them etc?You were not sure the Quran has banned them?Anyhow that was my impression and sorry if I wasn?t right.
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