Jinns and Dark Matter
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The theory of gravity is not correct, and is easily disproved, if gravity truly was an attraction of mass why don't things get pulled sideways towards mountains for example, as for the emperors new suit, dark matter, it's a fiction created to hide the major problems with the false theory of the big bang, anyway people love to believe the majority who are held in subjugation to the sovereign propaganda, if you believe in fire being jinns then you should also believe that the Qur'an has contradictions within it.
According to the law of universal gravitation, which as a model describing our physical reality with a very good approximation on a large scale level (that is non atomic level), the attractive force (F) between two bodies is proportional to the product of their masses (m1 and m2), and inversely proportional to the square of the distance (r) between them
F = G*m(1)*m(2)/r^2The gravitational constant G is measured to about 6.67300 ? 10^-11 N*(m/kg)^2
The force with which a person weighing 100kg is being pulled towards the earth with is almost 1000 Newtons. If you dont think that theres is a force acting between you and the earth than just try jumping and see what happens.
Now for the same force to be actively working between the same person and a mountain at a distance of say 10 kilometers, that mountain would have to weigh something like 15000000000000000000 kg = 1.5*10^19 kg, which is 1500 times the mass of mount everest. You also have to take in factors like the density of the substance that makes up the mountain since you need as much mass centered in one single point as possible if you want to be pulled towards a patricular direction, or have a distance/volume ratio that is very high and on top of that be in a closed system where no other factors are in effect other than the two objects being pulled towards each other or that the relative value of those factors are so small that their effects are negligible.
Theres a gravitational force between the earth and the moon which keeps the moon in orbit so it doesnt fly away, much like when youre spinning an object attached to a long thread with your hand, let go of the thread and the object flies away, try it. Since the mass of both the earth and the moon are so great the gravitational force acting between them is significant.This is elementary school physics. Did you participate in class?
And the actual topic of my interest, why do you make such an absurd claim with such a certainty? Why spend spend half a careers worth of time and effort to propagate highly nonsensical ideas and thoughts into the most common and intuitive religion throughout mankinds existance?
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Yup a living being made of plasma or gas..
How to make plasma in your microwave with only one match (video)
http//video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6732382807079775486&hl=en#
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Salaam Halil,
you state things as absolutely determined. In your mind the evidence of the physical effects is proof of the theoretical description of the cause of the physical, the idea that gravity is an attraction of mass is an incredible bad way to describe universal interactions, it fails almost entirely, it cannot even be applied to the orbits of planetary bodies.
You believe that a force that the entire mass of the planet is exerting but has no measureable influence a couple of hundred miles from the earth dominates the universe, the establishment want you to believe the moon 250,000 miles from the earth has a massive gravitational pull as an attraction of mass, causing the earth to bulge, again this is poor physics and also taught in schools, just because the schools teach rubbish does not make it fact.
There is a reason the sovereign elite wish you not to understand physics, if you understood correctly they would quickly lose their parasitical control, the Zionist Einstein corrupted the understanding of physics and the Zionist bankers made certain the universities only teach that confusion.
The entire mafia banking system is based on the charging for energy, this is the reason we all rely on fossil fuels, driving around in technologies which have not fundamentally altered in a 140 years.
Your thoughts on why the mass of mountains has no influence is non-sense, but the idea that gravity is an attraction of mass itself is non-sense, this is demonstrated experimentally with anti-gravity fields, although the establishment work hard to convince the public that these are impossible, these fields demonstrate practically that gravity is not an attraction of mass.
They further wish you to believe energy cannot be created nor destroyed, based on the rules of steam engine engineering of 300 years ago, they took these simple design rules and made them into the laws of thermodynamics, these so called laws are again designed to confuse and mislead the majority, as we exist in an open energy exchange, between this reality and the underlying fluidic manifold which emanates this reality, in truth it is impossible to create a closed energy system, even in a laboratory. This is the reason energy moves in waves as it travels through the underlying fluidic reality.
As for me propagating non-sense as you claim, investigate the idols in physics you adulate, these people are not honest, my motivation is to explain to people with a desire to understand and examine evidence and not a person who accepts without investigation the dogma of conventional physics, you should further consider the use of abstract mathematics within physics, it has little benefit to understanding correctly. James Maxwell rightly understood this, abstract mathematics does not account for the order, therefore cannot be used to explain a physical model, 2+3=5 is not the same as 3+2=5 within a physical universe as the numbers represent a physical reality, you need to apply quaternion mathematics, as Maxwell did.
Anyway you have judge me and no matter what is explained a confused mind will not allow the shirk to be removed, I will leave you to your conventional confusion of the invisible fantasies of dark matter, black holes and nonexistent attractions of mass, etc.
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Now i can tell that youre probably not an idiot and thats what makes you so interesting , when you propose such an idea, with SUCH a certainty. I mean i dont mind radical ideas and thoughts, i actually like those. But in your case there are no solid underlying arguments for the discarding of the approximated model of gravity.
Each his own i guess. But if theres one thing thats underlyingly more certain for me than anything else its God (not the "No-God" ). And for someone to even propose such an idea of "No-God" while even retaining a certain loyalty to the teachings of the quran, THAT tells even more of the person.
You have a jolly good time with your quest.Btw, i do hope youre not trying to play me there for my scepticism with those passionate remarks on those zionist bankers and stuff.
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Salaam Halil,
the problem with modern science, is it has been transformed from a search for the truth into a priesthood of accepted dogma, just as the religious priests before them they corrupt the truth to maintain the established view, and invent giant lies to justify anything that stands in glaring contradiction to the dogma.
Gravity as an attraction of mass doesn?t hold water if examined honestly, just as the big bang doesn?t hold water, they invest giant lies to justify their theories of gravity and big bang origins with dark energy, dark matter, black holes, all invisible inventions exhibiting no detectable evidence, they have corrupted science to such an extent as to have transformed it into simply a propaganda tool of the elite, to confuse the masses and maintain the sovereign models of exploitation.
The education systems teach as fact comprehensively disproved scientific theories, just as the religions teach comprehensively disproved rituals, dogma and idols, if examined honestly, but few people wish to be honest preferring a conformist view, free of investigation, free of any benefit to themselves or those around them.
I sense you are condescending of my perspective of rational investigation, my refusal to accept something as true that contradicts the physical evidence seems to offend you. You wish to worship a male personification, a God. I say, what is your evidence to prove a God exists, I further explain on my website what the evidence of the physical universe, not the fiction of the priests of science, demonstrates truly exists, and I say this is Allah, and just as Muhammad said I say, ?There is No God.? As the very foundation of Islam, yet you think there is a God, when ?There is only Allah.?.You want to categorize me, well I can help you, I reject every religion as a crime against humanity, without exception, I follow Islam as a Deen, not a Math?ab or Muzdhab. I believe if you have blind faith you have nothing, only firm belief established through investigation has value. I believe no true Muslim can exist in the modern world, as it?s a way of life not a religion, so unless the environment is Allodial, with polycentric community free of sovereignty and all representation, using common law and human energy as the foundation of the economic system how can you exist Muslim.
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Peace "Abdun Nur",
Salaam,
the idea of Jinn as a fire being is rubbish, and stands as a direct contradiction to the expressed ideas of the Qur'an, as every living thing in our creation is made of water.
2130 Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water ? Will they not then believe ?
JK- Correct and I've discussed this somewhere on the forum that since hydrogen(the element water is basically made after oxidizing) is the most present element in the universe, it could've reacted with plasma to form living creatures. Coudl've even been oxidized so that Jinn consist of plasma and Hydroxy Ions. So this verse does not make it impossible. ALSO do not forget thtat Allah Himself is called "Al-HAY(the Living)" in the Quran so water should be part of Him too IYU or not?
The theory of gravity is not correct, and is easily disproved, if gravity truly was an attraction of mass why don't things get pulled sideways towards mountains for example, as for the emperors new suit, dark matter, it's a fiction created to hide the major problems with the false theory of the big bang, anyway people love to believe the majority who are held in subjugation to the sovereign propaganda, if you believe in fire being jinns then you should also believe that the Qur'an has contradictions within it.
JK- First if you don't accept this then could you tell me where the earth's gravitational force comes from? And why do less massive planets, with a radius smaller or equal to the earth's, have less g-force on their surfaces?
2ndly the fact that massive objects attract each other was shown by the "Cavendish experiment" as early as 1797 with pretty good accuracy having only a 1% error as comapred to modern derivations of the same
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_constant
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Salaam Johnny,
if you wish to believe in fantasies of imagination and superstition nothing anyone could say would alter that view, Muhammad removed superstition but very quickly people invested Islam with a new crop, water is not plasma, it could never be plasma, if you burn hydrogen and oxygen you are burning two gases, not water, but this again is irrelevant as Jinn has the meaning of Hidden not plasma spirit, much like the witches of Europe once plagued every village, an implanted superstition to allow the elite to dominate the weak minded and rid them of the intelligent without argument, Jinn superstition allows people to seek excuse for their detrimental actions, so allowing the confusions and misery of modern Islam to perpetuate.
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Peace "Abdun Nur",
Salaam Johnny,
if you wish to believe in fantasies of imagination and superstition nothing anyone could say would alter that view, Muhammad removed superstition but very quickly people invested Islam with a new crop, water is not plasma, it could never be plasma, if you burn hydrogen and oxygen you are burning two gases, not water, but this again is irrelevant as Jinn has the meaning of Hidden not plasma spirit, much like the witches of Europe once plagued every village, an implanted superstition to allow the elite to dominate the weak minded and rid them of the intelligent without argument, Jinn superstition allows people to seek excuse for their detrimental actions, so allowing the confusions and misery of modern Islam to perpetuate.
JK- First what do you make of Sura 72 Verse 11 where Jinn say there are righteous amongst them and that they follow various paths? 2nd there is nothing superstitious in hypothesizing living creatures which might exist as long as there's a natural explanation. As for water it could be enough if H2 is present to fulfil at least part of it's definition. Hydrogen is present ENMASSE in the universe. ALSO you didn't answer as to if every living being is made from water then what about GOD who is also called the "living"? It could also be that jinn, though living beings are distinct from what is commonly termed living THINGS(SHAYIN hay). In that case water would not be necessary. Some modern humanoid robots, like Asimo, could be considered living, though not living things in biological terms. GOD Bless!
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Salaam,
you think Allah a living being in this reality?
This is the confusion of Judaism and Christianity dominantly infecting the understandings of Islam with the dogma of Constantine, no God exists in the sky or within this reality as a living being, this is a ridiculous view of Allah.
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Peace "Abdun Nur",
Salaam,
you think Allah a living being in this reality?
This is the confusion of Judaism and Christianity dominantly infecting the understandings of Islam with the dogma of Constantine, no God exists in the sky or within this reality as a living being, this is a ridiculous view of Allah.
JK- Chrisians and Jews think that God is supernatural BUT ALSO that He is the ULTIMATE REALITY just like Muslims do. That meaning this relaity is ONLY AN ILLUSION CREATED BY GOD WITHIN GOD. NOW I never said that GOD is limited to this reality. I dont think that for a moment though I beleive He's here too, closer than our jugular vein. But Allah is also known as "AL HAYY" i.e. "the LIVING" in the Quran. SO if you claim that the verse means every living being is madew from water then ud have included Allah by definition. Thats why i asked you to be careful. Jinn may not be living things but living beings in general. Also one may argue that theyre not limited to our dimension/reality either. GOD Bless!
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Salaam Johnny,
you miss understand the concept of Allah, the easy way to grasp it is through the concept of imagination, all reality we perceive is the imaginative thought of Allah, so just as we are not a physically present aspect of out imagination; yet are the generator of that illusion within our own mind, so it is with Allah.
Water is water, gas is gas, plasma is plasma, if I'm wrong try drinking a glass of plasma. Jinn are things hidden, a tribe in the jungle of south America that are unknown to our modern world would be an example of Jinn, a banker in control of the European and American governments is a Jinn, he has huge effects upon our lives but we have no knowledge of his influence, a psychopath within the community who acts without empathy or conscience is a Jinn, there are many examples of Jinn, without the need to manufacture superstitious concepts.
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Peace "Abdun Nur",
Salaam Johnny,
you miss understand the concept of Allah, the easy way to grasp it is through the concept of imagination, all reality we perceive is the imaginative thought of Allah, so just as we are not a physically present aspect of out imagination; yet are the generator of that illusion within our own mind, so it is with Allah.
JK- Yes that is what all monotheistic religions more or less say about GOD i.e. He is SUPERNATURAL. In my understanding Allah has created this world as a reality witrhin Himself and He, while being inside of it too(closer to our jugular vein as described in Quran), also extends infinitely outside of it. Allah is the Light of the heavens(all dimensions) and the ard(earth and other land producing matertial).
Water is water, gas is gas, plasma is plasma, if I'm wrong try drinking a glass of plasma.
JK- Living things are also not only water are they? Hence some plasma could react with water or hydroxi ions and that combination along with other chemicals could form a mixture that could evolve into what is termed as Jinn. That is the point.
Jinn are things hidden, a tribe in the jungle of south America that are unknown to our modern world would be an example of Jinn, a banker in control of the European and American governments is a Jinn, he has huge effects upon our lives but we have no knowledge of his influence, a psychopath within the community who acts without empathy or conscience is a Jinn, there are many examples of Jinn, without the need to manufacture superstitious concepts.
JK- DO you at least accept then that Jinn can be good and pious too as per 7211, since here you're implying all Jinn to be -ve. GOD Bless!
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Salaam johnny,
as I said earlier to you no matter what I write you would not grasp what I say and continue to hold onto your confusion, there is little point in attempting to alter your views, enjoy them, superstitions are deep confusions, I have answered your questions you have not understood what I say, or refuse to accept them as answers.
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Peace "Abdun Nur",
Salaam johnny,
as I said earlier to you no matter what I write you would not grasp what I say and continue to hold onto your confusion, there is little point in attempting to alter your views, enjoy them, superstitions are deep confusions, I have answered your questions you have not understood what I say, or refuse to accept them as answers.
JK- I think I understood most of what you're saying but you have NOT given a SATISFACTORY reply how your definition of Jinn fits 7211. What you seem to be saying is that although the Jinn might be claiming there to be righteous coz they think they're doing good, they're actually not and I explained as to why I find that very unconvincing. That is the main point now. GOD Bless!
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Salaam johnny,
7211 And among us some are the righteous, and among us some are not so; we are divided ways.
What do you not understand? The universe functions upon dichotomy, the skill we must learn is to achieve the salaam of the dichotomy, Jinn (hidden) have a function, we have a function as the family of Adam, as nothing is made idly by Allah. Superstitions groundlessly feed peoples fantasies and excuse there actions, just as the Christian murdered people in the name of superstitions by burning them at the stake in the recent past, the modern fantasy in the Christian world is alien abduction, it appears if you accept what people say 1 in 3 Americans has been abducted by aliens, is this something you accept as true?
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Peace "Abun Nur",
Salaam johnny,
7211 And among us some are the righteous, and among us some are not so; we are divided ways.
What do you not understand? The universe functions upon dichotomy, the skill we must learn is to achieve the salaam of the dichotomy,
JK- What dichotomy are you talking about? Particles created in pairs? Many things in the universe have a wide spektrum of possiblities, not just two. Even in regards to sexuality there is a spektrum and not just 100% male or 100% female or 100% straight or 100% gay. SO please answer me if this verse implies to you that Jinn can chooses to be righteous or wrongdoers and be judged accordingly? ALSO in other Quranic verses we find that there is also Jannah(Garden) for humans AND one for Jinn(Surah Rahman) and that both these entities would get certain "Houris" which neither human NOR JINN have touched before. What does that imply to you?
Jinn (hidden) have a function, we have a function as the family of Adam, as nothing is made idly by Allah. Superstitions groundlessly feed peoples fantasies and excuse there actions, just as the Christian murdered people in the name of superstitions by burning them at the stake in the recent past, the modern fantasy in the Christian world is alien abduction, it appears if you accept what people say 1 in 3 Americans has been abducted by aliens, is this something you accept as true?
JK- Christians don't beleive in Aliens. They call those beings/creatures that are termed by mostly non religious people as aliens, demons. Whatever the case, it might be true, though i have to admit that there is not enough evidence as of yet to support any of their claims. However after seeing some videos of the user "alienscientist" at youtube, I suspect there might be something to it NOT in a SUPERNATURAL but natural way. GOD Bless!
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ALSO in other Quranic verses we find that there is also Jannah(Garden) for humans AND one for Jinn(Surah Rahman) and that both these entities would get certain "Houris" which neither human NOR JINN have touched before
a pure new vision/illusion/world/universe to explore/live in?
(sorry but i mean bright-eyed virgins are overrated)
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Salaam johnny,
you should investigate what a dichotomy is, a dichotomy is the opposing ends, so light would be the dichotomy to pitch black, yet to create white light all the colours of the rainbow must combine. You think no Christians have claimed to be abducted by aliens?
Ok
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Peace "Abdun Nur",
Salaam johnny,
you should investigate what a dichotomy is, a dichotomy is the opposing ends, so light would be the dichotomy to pitch black, yet to create white light all the colours of the rainbow must combine.
JK- What is the opposite end of x-rays, milk, butter or computers? At times even when there ideally would be opposite ends defined, those are actually never reached in reality. For example we never even get 100% male or 100% female. Similarly there is no 100% white. You can always make things more bright.
You think no Christians have claimed to be abducted by aliens?
Ok
JK- They might call themslves Christians BUT strictly speaking Christians would use the term Demons, NOT aliens. Baptist Christians who take the Bible literally would call people who call such beings aliens delusional and would insist those are actually demons. GOD Bless!