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Mazhar

Hafeez Kazi,

Pl also look into these and try to translate them, may be you then like to review and reframe the above theses

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Sufficient and appropriate for them is the Hell-Prison, they will "scorch" it.

hafeez_kazi

Dear brother Mazhar

please do not ask me to translate your quoted verses because I know what it means and this has nothing to do with SALLALLAHU ALAIHI WA SALLAM, what is important for you is to prove that whatever I have posted is FALSE.

May ALLAH guide you to the truth.

Mazhar

Dear brother Mazhar

please do not ask me to translate your quoted verses because I know what it means and this has nothing to do with SALLALLAHU ALAIHI WA SALLAM, what is important for you is to prove that whatever I have posted is FALSE.

May ALLAH guide you to the truth.

Let me quote you

to pray to bless God's blessing and peace be upon him
blessing (1) (2) (3)

blessing benediction boon receptacle tank pond mercy mere pan patch
blessing, prosperity

This is based on their false interpretation of the word ?Tasleema? to mean greetings!
Salutation

Salute

submission surrender transmission acceptance delivery
handing over turning in presenting delivery surrender acceptance approval consent admission

consign admit agree accept commit allow

to hand over (to) hand in (to) submit (to) present to deliver (to) (&#1618 to save rescue to protect preserve (safe) guard to salute greet to admit acknowledge (&#1610 give him my best regards remember me to him

And again look at the quoted Aayat and find the same words and try to apply your logic to arrive at what you are trying to portray. And somewhere I have pointed out that this method of indicating the meanings of words, by picking them up from the dictionary at random, does not determine the meanings of particular owrd. This reflects only that the person quoting them does not know Arabic and exact meanings of those words, and nor their structure.

I don't emphasise to try translating those.

ayman

Peace Mazhar,

Give a second thought and let me know, do you REALLY understand to mean "and submits to him salutations showing obeisance" and indicate the analysis of the word which makes you to translate it like this.

You claim that you utter "sala allah alayh wa salam" in Arabic after a certain name is mentioned due to the command in 3356. In the context of 3356 you translated "salamu" as "submit to him salutations showing obeisance". So you are not really parroting "sala allah alayh wa salam" based on 3356 but based on your imagination. So, like all Sunnis, you expose yourself as either ignorant or idolatarous when you say "sala allah alayh wa salam".

Peace,

Ayman

Ayisha

This is based on their false interpretation of the word ?Tasleema? to mean greetings!
Salutation

Salute

sal?u?ta?tion

/s?lyten/ Show Spelled Show IPA
?noun
1.
the act of saluting.
2.
something uttered, written, or done by way of saluting.
3.
a word or phrase serving as the prefatory greeting in a letter or speech, as Dear Sir in a letter or Ladies and Gentlemen in a speech.

Origin
1350?1400; ME < L salttin- (s. of saltti ) greeting, equiv. to saltt ( us ) (ptp. of saltre to greet; see salute, -ate1 ) + -in- -ion

salutation (s?ljten)

? n

an act, phrase, gesture, etc, that serves as a greeting
a form of words used as an opening to a speech or letter, such as Dear Sir or Ladies and Gentlemen
the act of saluting

Word Origin & History

salutation
late 14c., from O.Fr. salutacion , from L. salutationem (nom. salutatio ), from salutatus , pp. of salutare "to greet" (see salute). As a word of greeting (eliptical for "I offer salutation&quot it is recorded from 1530s.

Mazhar

Peace Mazhar,

You claim that you utter "sala allah alayh wa salam" in Arabic after a certain name is mentioned due to the command in 3356. In the context of 3356 you translated "salamu" as "submit to him salutations showing obeisance". So you are not really parroting "sala allah alayh wa salam" based on 3356 but based on your imagination. So, like all Sunnis, you expose yourself as either ignorant or idolatarous when you say "sala allah alayh wa salam".

Peace,

Ayman

Aymen,

Dont be dishonest so openly even academically. Go back what you translated in red and explain that first. And here too you you exposing your so called intellectual level by above observation. Even the most stupid student of Arabic will not say this, since the first verb is past/perfect and the other verb is second person, imperative, singular. But disease of Nifaq does not let people see blatent studpides of their observations.

Mazhar

Quote from Mazhar on Yesterday at 104952 PM

This is based on their false interpretation of the word ?Tasleema? to mean greetings!
Salutation

Salute

Ayisha!

This was quote of Kazi. I drew his attention to his quotes, this part perhaps remained uncovered by quote button.

ayman

Peace Mazhar,

Dont be dishonest so openly even academically. Go back what you translated in red and explain that first. And here too you you exposing your so called intellectual level by above observation. Even the most stupid student of Arabic will not say this, since the first verb is past/perfect and the other verb is second person, imperative, singular. But disease of Nifaq does not let people see blatent studpides of their observations.

If you are so smart then why didn?t you translate ?? and cut it short? Here is your half-baked translation of " "

Allah sent blessings, help, approval, to him ....

Given that like all sectarians you are mindlessly parroting words, I doubt that any of your logic is sound. I suspect this is why you didn?t translate ?wa sallim? since translating it would expose your nonsense. However, anyone can easily see your falsehood with a closer look.

First, the sectarian formula is actually ?salla allah alayh wa sallam?, not ?sallim?. So both verbs are in the past/perfect. Sectarians are misguided but they are not stupid. Unlike you, they know that ?sallim? would render the expression ungrammatical since it would result in tense disagreement and it would have no subject or if the subject is taken as ?allah? then it would be a blasphemous statement.

Ironically, the sectarians reverse the formula and make it in the imperative when they say ?allahuma salli ala Mohamad? during the Tahiyat section of their so called Salat. They don?t say ?allahuma salli ala Mohamad wa sallim? and they take out ?sallim? because again it would be blasphemous. So in this case they are essentially interpreting the god?s imperative as turning around and giving the god the same imperative.

Either way, whether it is the sectarian formula ?salla allah alayh wa sallam? or whether it is your Mazhar-invented formula ?salla allah alayh wa sallim? what you are parroting is nonsense that has nothing to do with what believers were told to do in 3356.

What the believers were told in 3356 is to do the same thing that the god did and in addition to that be at peace completely. The god certainly didn?t go around uttering ?salla allah alayh wa sallam? whenever the prophet?s name was mentioned. Similarly, the prophet didn?t understand the same command in 9103 to mean going around parroting ?salla allah alayh wa sallam? whenever the name of any of those who repented was mentioned. Think about it, if you can.

Peace,

Ayman

Mazhar

If you are so smart then why didn?t you translate ?? and cut it short? Here is your half-baked translation of " "

Allah sent blessings, help, approval, to him ....

Why are you proving and confirming to be dishonest in academic discussion? Go back and see that I translated word by word the first three words of the above quote.

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It is certain that Allah and His Angels send blessings upon the Distinctly Elevated and Chosen One

Verb-Like Particle This is one of the six Particles called since in some features they resemble with verbs. They are sentential modifiers. What was earlier known as subject in a nominal sentence, because of its presence at the outset, that will now be called "-Noun of ", which is rendered in accusative case; and the predicate will be called its which will be in nominative case or state.

Allah Proper Noun-accusative.

Prefixed conjunction

Possessive Phrase Noun definite; plural; masculine; accusative + Possessive Pronoun Second person; singular; masculine; in genitive state.

Verb Imperfect; third person; masculine; plural + Subject pronoun in nominative case + Mood Indicative by ; Verbal noun -- Predicate of .

Prepositional phrase Separable preposition+ Noun Definite; singular; masculine; in genitive state; relating to verb.

Verb Perfect; singular; masculine; Verbal noun -

Allah Proper Noun-nominative-Subject of the verb.

Prepositional Phrase Separable Preposition + Pronoun Third person; Definite, singular, masculine;

Allah sent blessings, help, approval, to him .

Is the above statement a narration of a fact or a conjecture, lie?

And the whole sentence is Predicate of the Subject-Muhammad

This was with reference to the quote of the Ayat. The last part/two words are with reference to the following injunction which is not yet discussed when you gave this "intellectual's" translation of the last two words.

Peace Mazhar,

I thought that you were better than a typical wild eyed dogmatic big bearded Sunni Mullah. I thought you had more patience and humbleness. I guess I might have been wrong on this account.

You are claiming that you are saying " " based on the command in 3356. Here is how you translated 3356 (from your web site) and underlined is how you translated "" ("wa salemu&quot

It is certain that Allah and His Angels send blessings upon the Distinctly Elevated and Chosen One
O you who declare to have accepted listen this imperative, you people incline upon him with love and praising praying Allah for sending blessings, and you people submit to him salutations showing obeisance in a humble and respectful manner.

In other words, when you say "sala allah alayh wa salam"/" " you are saying

Allah sent blessings, help, approval, to him and submits to him salutations showing obeisance.

This statement is a gross falsehood by any measure. This is why you didn't translate "wa salam". You know that it would expose your falsehood and your idoltarous statement.

Peace,

Ayman

This has exposed that you do not know Arabic and are deceiving people by wearing a garb of "intellectual". Allah will keep exposing each and every Munafiq.

Mazhar

First, the sectarian formula is actually ?salla allah alayh wa sallam?, not ?sallim?. So both verbs are in the past/perfect.

Why are you so adamant to prove that apart from not knowing Arabic you are fool also by throwing such "pearls" on the forum? Do you know what is the difference between a transitive and non transitive verb? And do you know the implication of double "ll" in what you are presuing the sectarian formula "sallam"? You are not yet well trained in deceiving people. Practice for some time more.

ayman

Peace Mazhar,

Why are you proving and confirming to be dishonest in academic discussion? Go back and see that I translated word by word the first three words of the above quote.
This was with reference to the quote of the Ayat. The last part/two words are with reference to the following injunction which is not yet discussed when you gave this "intellectual's" translation of the last two words.
This has exposed that you do not know Arabic and are deceiving people by wearing a garb of "intellectual". Allah will keep exposing each and every Munafiq.Why are you so adamant to prove that apart from not knowing Arabic you are fool also by throwing such "pearls" on the forum? Do you know what is the difference between a transitive and non transitive verb? And do you know the implication of double "ll" in what you are presuing the sectarian formula "sallam"? You are not yet well trained in deceiving people. Practice for some time more.

This translation is taken from your translation of 3356, which you claim your mindless parroting of "salla allah 3alyh wa sallam" or "wa sallim" or whatever you made up is based on. If you think it is dishonest and foolish then go back and change your translation

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You continue to evade to translate the complete sentence "salla allah alayh wa sallam", specifically, the "wa sallam" part. Instead of honestly translating and focusing on the issue you act like a 5 year old whose parents didn't raise well. I think that by now everyone can see that you have no answer and you cannot translate "wa sallam" without exposing your nonsense. When cornered on the simplest specifics such as providing the translation of one word, you run and expose your dogmatic side.

Peace,

Ayman

Mazhar

This translation is taken from your translation of 3356, which you claim your mindless parroting of "salla allah 3alyh wa sallam" or "wa sallim" or whatever you made up is based on. If you think it is dishonest and foolish then go back and change your translation

You seem to be a bold cheat and liar like Rashad Khalifa. My translation is this

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O you who declare to have accepted listen this imperative,
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you people incline upon him with love and praising praying Allah for sending blessings, and you people submit to him salutations showing obeisance in a humble and respectful manner. who refused to show obeisance to Adam whom Allah granted distinction and honour].

And you translated it by changing it with direction to Allah

Peace Mazhar,

You are claiming that you are saying " " based on the command in 3356. Here is how you translated 3356 (from your web site) and underlined is how you translated "" ("wa salemu&quot

It is certain that Allah and His Angels send blessings upon the Distinctly Elevated and Chosen One
O you who declare to have accepted listen this imperative, you people incline upon him with love and praising praying Allah for sending blessings, and you people submit to him salutations showing obeisance in a humble and respectful manner.

In other words, when you say "sala allah alayh wa salam"/" " you are saying

Allah sent blessings, help, approval, to him and submits to him salutations showing obeisance.

Ayman

And now when I have pointed out to you the stupidies you have been showing with regard to Arabic words, you are avoiding to respond to those since by now you have realized that under no circumstances that could be implied which you stated in red bold.

ayman

Peace Mazhar,

You seem to be a bold cheat and liar like Rashad Khalifa. My translation is this
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It is certain that Allah and His Angels send blessings upon the Distinctly Elevated and Chosen One
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O you who declare to have accepted listen this imperative,
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you people incline upon him with love and praising praying Allah for sending blessings, and you people submit to him salutations showing obeisance in a humble and respectful manner. who refused to show obeisance to Adam whom Allah granted distinction and honour].
And you translated it by changing it with direction to Allah

You claimed to parrot the formula "sala allah alayh wa sallam" based on 3356. So all I did was to take the translation of the word "sallam" from your translation of 3356. Changing the tense or the subject from A to B doesn't change the meaning and the only subject in your formula is "allah". If you think that this translation is cheating and lying, then it is not my problem that your translation of 3356 is another big lie on your deceptive website. This is why you can't translate even the one word "sallam" or "sallim" in your nonsensical parroting of "sala allah alayh wa sallam". You are mindlessly parroting this statement to imitate Mohamad-worshipping sectarians and not to sincerely uphold the god's command in 3356.

The example of those who were given the Torah, but then failed to uphold it, is like the donkey that is carrying a cargo of books. Miserable indeed is the example of people who denied God's revelations. And God does not guide the wicked people.

And now when I have pointed out to you the stupidies you have been showing with regard to Arabic words, you are avoiding to respond to those since by now you have realized that under no circumstances that could be implied which you stated in red bold.

I didn't avoid anything. As you can see, I took those stupidities from your website. If you disagree that those are stupidities, then get some courage and stop running from the truth and directly tell us how you would translate "wa sallam" or "wa sallim" in your formula "sala allah alayh wa sallam". It would have taken you no more than 1 minute to translate this one word "wa sallam" instead of wasting everyone's time running around spewing obsenities. Is this the best you can do on this forum? Is this the extent of your knowledge?

Peace,

Ayman

Mazhar

Peace Mazhar,

You claimed to parrot the formula "sala allah alayh wa sallam" based on 3356. So all I did was to take the translation of the word "sallam" from your translation of 3356. Changing the tense or the subject from A to B doesn't change the meaning and the only subject in your formula is "allah". If you think that this translation is cheating and lying, then it is not my problem that your translation of 3356 is another big lie on your deceptive website. This is why you can't translate even the one word "sallam" or "sallim" in your nonsensical parroting of "sala allah alayh wa sallam". You are mindlessly parroting this statement to imitate Mohamad-worshipping sectarians and not to sincerely uphold the god's command in 3356.

The example of those who were given the Torah, but then failed to uphold it, is like the donkey that is carrying a cargo of books. Miserable indeed is the example of people who denied God's revelations. And God does not guide the wicked people.

I didn't avoid anything. As you can see, I took those stupidities from your website. If you disagree that those are stupidities, then get some courage and stop running from the truth and directly tell us how you would translate "wa sallam" or "wa sallim" in your formula "sala allah alayh wa sallam". It would have taken you no more than 1 minute to translate this one word "wa sallam" instead of wasting everyone's time running around spewing obsenities. Is this the best you can do on this forum? Is this the extent of your knowledge?

Peace,

Ayman

Donkeys may have some little knowledge but idiots are worse than donkeys. Instead of straight accepting stupidity of false translation by you, you are like mammals regurgitating the same thing again and again, even more times than mammals. I keep your stupidites highlighting. Now only an idiot student of Arabic will fail to notice that wasalim is signular of verb sallimu with presence of waw and separating vowel-less aleph. And my translation you have yourself quoted. From plural reduce it to singular and there is the translation of "wasalim".

You have not replied the observations about your "pearls of wisdom" stated few posts earlier.

Mazhar

Changing the tense or the subject from A to B doesn't change the meaning and the only subject in your formula is "allah".

Don't say this to a teacher of Arabic, he should slap on your face if you are his student. The subject of the verb is plural not singular "Allah", there is "waw" which is subject pronoun for plural, masculine, third person. Why do you talk such irrational and rather stupid things?

ayman

Peace Mazhar, all,

Don't say this to a teacher of Arabic, he should slap on your face if you are his student. The subject of the verb is plural not singular "Allah", there is "waw" which is subject pronoun for plural, masculine, third person. Why do you talk such irrational and rather stupid things?

I don't know what you are smoking but you need to get off it because we are talking about the mindless formula that you utter. First of all the formula that sectarians parrot is "sala allah alayh wa sallam". You changed it and you decided to parrot your own imagined nonsense of "sala allah alayh wa sallim". You now claim that it should be "salla allah alayh wa sallimu". You are definitely on drugs or you have some mental issues. At any rate, since you are too lazy to provide your own translation, then for the benefit of the members of this forum here is the translation for all three according to your nonsensical web site's translation of 3356

"sala allah alayh wa sallam"

Allah sent blessings, help, approval, to him and submitted to him salutations showing obeisance (this is the sectarian formula, which is grammatical but blasphemous).

"sala allah alayh wa sallim"

Allah sent blessings, help, approval, to him and submit (2nd person singular imperative) to him salutations showing obeisance (this is ungrammatical nonsense where there is no tense agreement and the subject is missing for the second verb or it is ungrammatical and blasphemous if the subject is taken as "allah&quot

"sala allah alayh wa sallimu"

Allah sent blessings, help, approval, to him and submit (2nd person plural imperative) to him salutations showing obeisance (this is ungrammatical nonsense where there is no tense agreement and the subject is missing for the second verb)

So any of the formulas that Mazhar decides to choose from these is a bunch of crap and I am sure this would also be the case for any other formula he dreams up in the future to imitate Mohamad-worshipping idolaters.

Peace,

Ayman

Mazhar

I don't know what you are smoking but you need to get off it because we are talking about the mindless formula that you utter. First of all the formula that sectarians parrot is "sala allah alayh wa sallam". You changed it and you decided to parrot your own imagined nonsense of "sala allah alayh wa sallim". You now claim that it should be "salla allah alayh wa sallimu".

You now seem to be a classic idiot so far knowig Arabic is concerned. Put these words in Arabic and see nowhere it has been said by me. My words are the same old ones carrying simple and straight forward meanings for everyone who just understands the abc of Arabic but stupid scholars fail to read or understand these because they are by now blind hearted, hopeless case for any recovery; bye.

san

bye, Mazhar?

you haven't answered this question how do you Salla Nabi?

I think that's on topic with this thread--that's why i keep pushing this. don't go bye bye just yet please

ayman

Peace San,

bye, Mazhar?
you haven't answered this question how do you Salla Nabi?
I think that's on topic with this thread--that's why i keep pushing this. don't go bye bye just yet please

He claims that he does this by uttering some formula everytime a certain name is mentioned. However, he is ignorant of what the formula really means and thus evades to completely translate it into English.

Can anyone of those who understand 3356 to mean that we should utter some formula translate this formula in a way consistent with 3356? I am sure no one can.

Peace,

Ayman

san

Peace San,

He claims that he does this by uttering some formula everytime a certain name is mentioned. However, he is ignorant of what the formula really means and thus evades to completely translate it into English.

Can anyone of those who understand 3356 to mean that we should utter some formula translate this formula in a way consistent with 3356? I am sure no one can.

Peace,

Ayman

well, sir, i'd like Mazhar's opinion directly from him as well -- we sort of have an "unfinished business"..

Peace,