Is Prophet Muhammad?s duty to deliver Quran only?: No
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Ayisha
So if someone said to me follow Raaajah and I said "What is Raaajah"? Shall we prostrate to any one you say? does that mean I am saying I have no knowledge of who you are?
Read again what wayfinder is saying and put your prejudices aside for one minute.
Read the full statement and try to understand What I am saying and Put your prejudices aside for some seconds.
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When some one jumps to that level, then it should be understood that, there are no arguments left. If you want to quit just quit but don't call others fool.
Your lame excuses for Al-Rehman being known to audience of Muhammad are seen by all.Plenty? I need not to answer questions repetitively, if they were not fitting your "SECTs" thought, then that is not my problem at all.
Rajaah
I never tag you as a fool... Why did you assume it as such... I just advised you not to behave like fools... Since you arrogantly denied above that you supposedly answer all questions which were presented to you... You even arrogantly ask me to list all the questions from this discussion... I just showed you the except to which your claim is unfounded just by quoting my most recent post from which you PICKED 1 point and you are trying to make a story out of it.
And then again, now you make another foolish comment when you say 'I need not to answer questions repetitively' which is laughable considering you never answered most of them.... I could have retorted the same to you since your very first question.
Anyways, I won't be repeating again... ALL THE CLAIMS OF THE DISBELIEVERS ARE LIES... Unless you believe they were truthful of course.... Many fail to understand this... If you take their claims as true, then you should ACCEPT that Muhammad KNEW how to write... AND this goes AGAINST your sunni creed... DO you know why? Because the UNBELIEVERS accused him of COPYING old tales.... Why would they accuse the Prophet of copying if he did not know how to write?
Study Quran and try to find the difference between the statement of the various people present in Quran... Not all of them should be regarded with same eye...
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It's not about truth vs. falsehood, it's about practical implementations. Those have to change over time, otherwise faith becomes absurd and not applicable.
For example You don't use camels for transportation although the Qur'an tells us to and although we can safely assume the prophet did. So are you changing God's system or saying that it is outdated? Of course not, you are adapting it to your time and circumstances, which makes perfect sense.
It is about implementation of truthful system or falsehood system.
Did Allah mandate a mode of transportation in His system? In other word did He restrict us to use camel only? Where do you get this idea? Why is it relevant here. -
Dear guest, you were the one that brought the subject up and you are the one that claims a righteous person would say 'i do it this way' etc and you still refuse to say how you do it, so your posts are pretty worthless to this point don't you think?
I was once told by a teacher that there are no stupid questions, just stupid answers, that was a teacher of Islam, how right she was.
I will leave you to think WHY you had to start insulting me instead of just answer the question, that is yours to bear, not mine.
peace
I have already quoted the verse for you. The problem is you don?t comprehend it.
Yes, subsequent question you asked is a stupid question because the answer you are seeking is easily deduced from the cited verse. If I was talking to a minor then I would have said this in addition to the verse
If you wash (hand, face,?) one time you will be compliant to the verse.
If you wash (hand, face,?) two time you will be compliant to the verse
If you wash (hand, face,?) three time you will be compliant to the verse
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??See If I answer all your questions, you will look real bad. I am doing you a favor by not answering all your questions. If you wish I can analyze your posts and expose your shortcomings. Do not insist it?s really bad.
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I have just gone through these 16 pages and I have noticed that you and raj have not answered any questions asked of you but both wayfinder and I have answered all yours. You have picked out of our replies and totally ignored the questions asked and have used that we have said to ask more, in the hope that the ones you are ignoring will be forgotten.
peaceThis sound like a defeated person who is bleeding excessively.
??not answered any questions asked of you?? ? dishonest and a liar.
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you have now resorted to nastiness because i pulled you up on one, which you still have not answered. that is your tactics and tricks which are glaringly obvious for anyone reading through this thread which you started in an attempt to claim the hadith are the wisdom outside Quran but you dont have the guts or committment to say it. peace
Your personality is exposed via this statement of yours ??this thread which you started in an attempt to claim the hadith are the wisdom outside Quran but you dont have the guts or committment to say it.? A false accusation indeed!
You are really desperate because your phony system is falling apart. All falsehood will be defeated.
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Peace
In case you are right... Then I would say that this wisdom cannot be transmitted from one person to another... And again... I always attach hikmah to its root meaning as well as other related words such as hukm(law),haakim(judge) etc which has to do with legislation... Therefore, Hikmah, if taken from your perspective could mean 'sound judgement' and this as I think it is, cannot be transmitted... But can be bestowed only from God.
Peace WayFinder,
Root meaning = dictionary meaning (human made).
Was this dictionary authorized by Allah? If not then this dictionary is your hadith.
Therefore, your hadith says Hikmah = Sound judgement.
I do not agree with your hadith.
Allah is the teacher of the Quran. Therefore, you need to defer unresolved issues to Allah for proper resolution. Per Quran, Allah may grant you the resolution or he may grant the understanding to other believer. In this situation you are required to take the definition of the other believer. Otherwise you will be in violation of Quran.
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San to ayisha
See If I answer all your questions, you will look real bad. I am doing you a favor by not answering all your questions. If you wish I can analyze your posts and expose your shortcomings. Do not insist it?s really bad.
Now that was a real one. rotfl
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I have already quoted the verse for you. The problem is you don?t comprehend it.
No, the problem is YOU don't comprehend it and that was in YOUR list of things that are NOT clear in Quran.Yes, subsequent question you asked is a stupid question because the answer you are seeking is easily deduced from the cited verse. If I was talking to a minor then I would have said this in addition to the verse
If you wash (hand, face,?) one time you will be compliant to the verse.
If you wash (hand, face,?) two time you will be compliant to the verse
If you wash (hand, face,?) three time you will be compliant to the verse
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You still refuse to answer the question relating to why I asked it which was that you put that as one thing that is not clear and needed explaining by Muhammed. and now are making a big fuss so you don't answer it. It is clear, it was clear, so why did YOU put it in the list of unclear that needed explaining?See If I answer all your questions, you will look real bad. I am doing you a favor by not answering all your questions. If you wish I can analyze your posts and expose your shortcomings. Do not insist it?s really bad.
Threats now? Please if your desire is to expose all my shortcomings do it, dont let me stop you, but I will still keep asking you why you put that CLEAR verse as one thing that needed explaining, which it doesnt. So in effect you have proven yourself wrong in what you first said and first started this thread for.
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Your personality is exposed via this statement of yours ??this thread which you started in an attempt to claim the hadith are the wisdom outside Quran but you dont have the guts or committment to say it.? A false accusation indeed!
You are really desperate because your phony system is falling apart. All falsehood will be defeated.
rotfl rotfl really was a false accusation wasn't it, proven by your very next sentense bravo
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Peace WayFinder,
Root meaning = dictionary meaning (human made).
Was this dictionary authorized by Allah? If not then this dictionary is your hadith.
Therefore, your hadith says Hikmah = Sound judgement.
I do not agree with your hadith.
Allah is the teacher of the Quran. Therefore, you need to defer unresolved issues to Allah for proper resolution. Per Quran, Allah may grant you the resolution or he may grant the understanding to other believer. In this situation you are required to take the definition of the other believer. Otherwise you will be in violation of Quran.
Oh Allah.. Now they think language is manmade... because vocabulary of a language is kept in a dictionary... phew.... All this JUST because they are UNABLE to INJECT they own conjecture/concocted concepts into the Quran through a word HIJACK... Unlike hadiths... a word from a dictionary can be verified... in real world... from real people... just need to move in these region/call them/communicate with them.. and they will tell you the meaning of the word... I am sure no one will tell you to call a cat 'Dog' or vice-versa... Failing to understand the root system of the semitic language is a very big hindrance as it definitely affects one understanding to the max. Go back to the phoenician and advance forward chronologically in time in order that you might see how the semitic languages evolved which is a whole world apart from our latin/greek languages and their descendants... Even dictionaries are better than hadiths.. your comparison simply failed.
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You still refuse to answer the question relating to why I asked it which was that you put that as one thing that is not clear and needed explaining by Muhammed. and now are making a big fuss so you don't answer it. It is clear, it was clear, so why did YOU put it in the list of unclear that needed explaining?
I found the culprit for you; this is your free mind translation cheer
56 O you who believe, if you rise to hold the contact prayer, then wash your faces and your hands up to the elbows, and wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles; and if you have had intercourse, then you shall bathe. And if you are ill, or traveling, or you have excreted feces, or you have had sexual contact with the women, and you cannot not find water, then you shall select from the clean soil; you shall wipe your faces and your hands with it. God does not want to place any hardship on you, but He wants to cleanse you and to complete His blessings upon you that you may be thankful.
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I found the culprit for you; this is your free mind translation cheer
56 O you who believe, if you rise to hold the contact prayer, then wash your faces and your hands up to the elbows, and wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles; and if you have had intercourse, then you shall bathe. And if you are ill, or traveling, or you have excreted feces, or you have had sexual contact with the women, and you cannot not find water, then you shall select from the clean soil; you shall wipe your faces and your hands with it. God does not want to place any hardship on you, but He wants to cleanse you and to complete His blessings upon you that you may be thankful.
Peace
I did not follow this issue very well... could you clarify what is wrong with this translation please?
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I found the culprit for you; this is your free mind translation cheer
56 O you who believe, if you rise to hold the contact prayer, then wash your faces and your hands up to the elbows, and wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles; and if you have had intercourse, then you shall bathe. And if you are ill, or traveling, or you have excreted feces, or you have had sexual contact with the women, and you cannot not find water, then you shall select from the clean soil; you shall wipe your faces and your hands with it. God does not want to place any hardship on you, but He wants to cleanse you and to complete His blessings upon you that you may be thankful.
What do you mean 'culprit'? what do you mean 'my' free minds translation? what is this supposed to show me? I have already told you I had not been in that thread nor have I posted that verse translation, so what is your reason for bringing it? ??? this has nothing at all to do with you being unable to say how YOU do wudo or why YOU added this in your list of unclear verses that need to be explained that I have asked you do explain how YOU do. Don't forget that you posted this
"A righteous person would have said this is how I do it and that it consistent with Prophet Muhammad?s way for such and such reason."and you have NOT been able to do that have you and have turned nasty for the ONLY reason that I kept asking you to answer that one question. So, this is another thing you said
"Allah has already exposed you for what you are."
and I think He has certainly exposed you for what you are.
peace
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Peace
I did not follow this issue very well... could you clarify what is wrong with this translation please?
this is in relation to me having to continually ask guest to answer a question, the reply was
"I seem to recall a thread that said wipe the foot and not wash it. It has nothing to do with dry ablution. Your way gives rise to such nonsense. Go follow a leader since you are not one."
I assumed it was suppose to be something that I had said, which it wasn't. Still the question is unanswered