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God did not create the universe, says Hawking

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    izukage
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    AFAIK,

    ??? eh dah?

    AFAIK = As Far As I Know ;D

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      AFAIK = As Far As I Know ;D

      ! aaahh thank you! peace

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        nerspi
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        it would seem different people have a different idea what 'God' is...
        it's what makes it difficult for some people to understand that God has already been discovered by science...

        http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTdnFoybLQU

        http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrcWntw9juM
        http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSxluvq5HI0&feature=related

        http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuuKBInwQRU
        http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ31qkK4NoE&feature=related
        http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxRJBEUNbTI&feature=related
        http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE9AbrvOg7Y&feature=related
        http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjQ8xIEyQlI&feature=related

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          Rev_John
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          This is such a shame. Stephen Hawking has one of the most brilliant minds around, but he fails to answer, or even understand the most fundamental question- If the universe was created from the, so called, "Big Bang" (was not big, nor was it a bang) that was caused by a small, excessively dense, ball of pure energy, then where did that ball of energy come from? One of the most basic rules of physics is that energy can not be created nor destroyed, it can only be changed. Therefore, that ball of energy (that contained all the energy now distributed throughout the universe) HAD to come from somewhere! Maybe God put it there!

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            Raaajah
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            hawkings

            the universe can and will create itself from nothing.

            Has hawkings reading Quran recently? He is very near to find the truth, when he finds out how law of Pysics came into being.

            Creator of the heavens and the earth from nothingness, He has only to say when He wills a thing, ?Be,? and it is.
            2-117

            The Arabic word ?beda?a? means creation of something out of nothing. This word also connotes the fact that something is created not on a pattern previously designed of something but as a completely new entity having no precedence.

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              Saleh
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              First, I want to ask each one of you who disagrees with Hawking, did you read his full argument and understand what he based his opinion upon? Did you study his theory and the laws of physics which he used to arrive to his conclusion as much as he studied religion and the possibility of God? I assure you, he did study it and consider it over many years. I am very positive each person will answer "No".

              Just because we don't understand something now, doesn't mean the explanation is supernatural. People 2000 years ago wondered where the earth ends, we now know the answer to that; it has no ends. There is a perfectly reasonable explanation to that; it is spherical (almost). We gained more knowledge and we became able to explain something which seemed just as puzzling then as the question of "How did the universe start?" is now. We might be able to answer this question later, we might not. A divine entity starting the universe is possible, but there is no proof. It is the most widespread theory because most - or all - people don't have enough knowledge to come up with other possible explanations.

              I've seen people asking "Who created gravity?" and other questions which expose a general lack of knowledge. The problem I found was the way they asked the question, not the fact they asked it. They actually believe they're much smarter than Hawking. If you believe in Quran, then try to follow what it says. Study the universe and try to understand it.

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                nerspi
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                there will always be people who study yet will come to different conclusions and they will discredit studies other then their own...
                there are scientists who confirm there is a higher intelligence (God) that created the universe, other scientists say there is not... who should we believe huh...

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                  This is such a shame. Stephen Hawking has one of the most brilliant minds around, but he fails to answer, or even understand the most fundamental question- If the universe was created from the, so called, "Big Bang" (was not big, nor was it a bang) that was caused by a small, excessively dense, ball of pure energy, then where did that ball of energy come from? One of the most basic rules of physics is that energy can not be created nor destroyed, it can only be changed. Therefore, that ball of energy (that contained all the energy now distributed throughout the universe) HAD to come from somewhere! Maybe God put it there!

                  Peace,
                  Respect.

                  Just ask him if he can send you any evidence for the non-existance of God.
                  I heard that UPS works fast, ......lol

                  Peace.

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                    Peace,
                    Respect.

                    Just ask him if he can send you any evidence for the non-existance of God.
                    I heard that UPS works fast, ......lol

                    Peace.

                    rotfl bravo

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                      "God did NOT create the universe", says Stephen Hawking. To which God replied, "enjoy your chair". rotfl

                      PEACE

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                        Raaajah
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                        Prince

                        "God did NOT create the universe", says Stephen Hawking. To which God replied, "enjoy your chair". rotfl

                        that is inhuman, but what else can we expect from a teenager.

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                          Tay
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                          Peace Saleh,

                          You asked/stated

                          did you read his full argument and understand what he based his opinion upon? Did you study his theory and the laws of physics which he used to arrive to his conclusion as much as he studied religion and the possibility of God? I assure you, he did study it and consider it over many years. I am very positive each person will answer "No".

                          Unfortunately, the amount of time spent studying does not equate to a grasp of the topic. Some people practice DJ'ing for years and still can't match a beat. Millions spend their lives studying their own religions yet fail to see the guidance within. Hawking has demonstrated, with one sentence, that he too is victim to this apparent paradox - that's accepting that he has studied as much spirituality and religion as you claim.

                          It's evident to me that he's brilliant - in physics, that is. But in understanding God, or accepting or rejecting God, he should probably step aside or just leave the topic out of the equation

                          Peace,
                          Tay

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                            Prince
                            that is inhuman, but what else can we expect from a teenager.

                            Posting a joke makes me a teenager ??? You can do better than that to attack my character mate )

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                              Raaajah
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                              Posting a joke makes me a teenager

                              I don't see any joke in teasing a handicap person?

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                                I don't see any joke in teasing a handicap person?

                                I'm not teasing him directly. But I find it offensive for a guy of his caliber to deny the existence of a creator because he's in a position where people will listen to him and for him to claim what he is claiming is outlandish.

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                                  george
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                                  First, I want to ask each one of you who disagrees with Hawking, did you read his full argument and understand what he based his opinion upon? Did you study his theory and the laws of physics which he used to arrive to his conclusion as much as he studied religion and the possibility of God? I assure you, he did study it and consider it over many years. I am very positive each person will answer "No".

                                  Just because we don't understand something now, doesn't mean the explanation is supernatural. People 2000 years ago wondered where the earth ends, we now know the answer to that; it has no ends. There is a perfectly reasonable explanation to that; it is spherical (almost). We gained more knowledge and we became able to explain something which seemed just as puzzling then as the question of "How did the universe start?" is now. We might be able to answer this question later, we might not. A divine entity starting the universe is possible, but there is no proof. It is the most widespread theory because most - or all - people don't have enough knowledge to come up with other possible explanations.

                                  I've seen people asking "Who created gravity?" and other questions which expose a general lack of knowledge. The problem I found was the way they asked the question, not the fact they asked it. They actually believe they're much smarter than Hawking. If you believe in Quran, then try to follow what it says. Study the universe and try to understand it.

                                  Well doesnt gravity have to follow a specific law ? and if Hawking is saying "Because there is a law such as gravity" ...... "the universe can and will create itself from nothing" - , then why shouldnt people ask
                                  "Who created gravity?" and also who created the law on which gravity has to follow?

                                  Do you think laws are created by accident or are done on purpose?

                                  If you agree that laws whether natural or supernatural are created on purpose and not own their own by accident, then for the law of gravity to actually work, who or what was it who made it so it would work?

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                                    People have to keep in mind the anthropic principle, which states that "if it were any other way, we would not be here to observe it".

                                    As a result of this the existence of God depends entirely on what coloured glasses you see the universe through.

                                    Through a disbeliever's eyes, he is absolutely nowhere to be seen! You could traverse the ends of the universe searching and find no hint of this "God" character. On the other hand, a believer will see the workings of God everywhere without having to move an inch.

                                    I bet Mr Hawking could make an equally strong case for belief; God is the ultimate stealth ninja.

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                                      hawkings
                                      Has hawkings reading Quran recently? He is very near to find the truth, when he finds out how law of Pysics came into being.

                                      Creator of the heavens and the earth from nothingness, He has only to say when He wills a thing, ?Be,? and it is.
                                      2-117

                                      The Arabic word ?beda?a? means creation of something out of nothing. This word also connotes the fact that something is created not on a pattern previously designed of something but as a completely new entity having no precedence.

                                      Note what hawkings says. He refers to the universe "itself" rather than something else creating the universe out of nothing as the quran refers.

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                                        YAMU
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                                        I think that it is in vain to bate on " God did not create the universe", because all people know that God is creator of the universe.

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                                          nimnimak_11
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                                          I don't see any joke in teasing a handicap person?

                                          The joke is there but it's just wrong (insulting someone for their disability) IMO

                                          but what about your comment

                                          that is inhuman, but what else can we expect from a teenager.

                                          So are teenagers.....inhuman? There is some implication of this in the above quote. Teasing an individual for their....age???

                                          Peace

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