9/11 Burning Of Quran Must Go On!
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george
and that approach wasMy quotes
"I have, and I have yet to find where Alen used the word "kuffir" anywhere in the thread."
"In terms of Sunni's and Shia's, who refer to hadith which as we all know on this forum have pretty extremist views on women,apostacy,forced conversion etc, the word "extremist" is rightly and not loosley applicable to them."
which you replied
george
You seem to me a half baked Quranist! can you please quote some of the Hadith you are mentioning?george
proves can be found on whole thread.That youre an idiot ??? yeah i agree.
georgeSome people simply don't read.
Nither do you otherwise you would'nt get Ayisha's qoute mixed up with mine rotfl
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george
Congratulations at last a post without word "Idiot" bravoTheres no need to now that you've agreed with me that you are one bravo bravo bravo rotfl
So it was my mistake then and now is the reality rotfl stop making fun out of yourself.
And the reality is you've just admitted to it being your mistake bravo bravo bravo
Congratulations thats two things we've agreed on bravo bravo rotfl
youre an idiot ??? yeah i agree.
Agree!
rotfl
stop making fun out of yourself.
By the mistake that you've admitted to, I think you're the one who should stop doing that rotfl
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prince
It does not look nice when some one talks big, and does not know the difference between Hikmah and Hadith compilation.
If you are trying to pint it to me that I said Hadith book cannot be doubted then you have not read this or any other thread where I have discussed this subject.hikmah=wisdom and im only stating the general rebuttals of hadith followers.
The Quran was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad peace is upon him, through him it was forwarded, he was the best person to explain the verses, he was also provided the Wisdom through which he decided in the daily to daily affairs within the frame work of Quran. If some one gets guide in his daily affairs from the Prophet's Sunna there is no harm in it, He no where said that if some one will not follow my Sunnah he will be not a Muslim.
Do you have any quranic proof that the Prophet Muhammed was the BEST person to explain the verses?
Is wisdom just restricted to messengers/prophet or can general people like us get wisdom too?
The Prophet Muhammed is not with us to follow his sunnah so your left with a dilemma of following a collection of books that contradicts itself and most importantly the quran.
More and more scholars are realizing that the Message could be understood better if we know the History, the culture, the inscriptions of that time to ponder upon.
Does it matter what the scholars say? Scholars are humans they make mistakes just like we do when we interpret the quran. Its absurd for anyone to suggest you have to be a scholar to understand the quran. Is the interpretation of the quran revealed exclusively to 'scholars'?
How can you interpret a book that is for all people i.e all cultures and for all times through history and culture it was revealed in?? This is an absurd claim simply being that the interpretations done WITHOUT historical and culture bias show the beauty and universal application of quran in the world.
Hadith book is an effort of different persons with all their sincerity at that time, they worked hard with all the best tools available at their times, off course those tools are not considered to be perfect or near to perfect by today's standards.
It is only that we can and we should use these tools to understand Quran in a better way. I hope you would have noted the LOOPHOLES AND IDIOCY in your above claims.I think you should take note of your own claims that I've highlighted in bold for you. I think you should reflect very hard on why you feel the need to justify a contradictory book that you want to use to interpret a self explanatory book hmm
peace
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Prince
Do you have any quranic proof that the Prophet Muhammed was the BEST person to explain the verses?
It is common sense the person to whom the verses were first revealed, he was chosen in Millions, who else can explain better then him, he had a contact with Allah the sender of Message.
Allah says in Quran
http//www.everyayah.com/data/images_png/2_151.pngSimilarly We have sent among you a Messenger of your own, reciting to you Our Verses and sanctifying you, and teaching you the Book and the Hikmah teaching you that which you used not to know.
Prince
How can you interpret a book that is for all people i.e all cultures and for all times through history and culture it was revealed in?? This is an absurd claim simply being that the interpretations done WITHOUT historical and culture bias show the beauty and universal application of quran in the world.
To make things beautiful people do plastic surgery. We will not allow that to happen with Quran. Facts are facts and will remain facts.
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Prince
Does it matter what the scholars say? Scholars are humans they make mistakes just like we do when we interpret the quran. Its absurd for anyone to suggest you have to be a scholar to understand the quran. Is the interpretation of the quran revealed exclusively to 'scholars'?
No assuming if you want to have a good discussion. No one said what you are trying to assume. Just read my post again, OK wait I will just copy it for you
Rajah
More and more scholars are realizing that the Message could be understood better if we know the History, the culture, the inscriptions of that time to ponder upon
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Prince
It is common sense the person to whom the verses were first revealed, he was chosen in Millions, who else can explain better then him, he had a contact with Allah the sender of Message.Thanks for proving my point that you don't have a verse proposing the fact that Prophet Muhammed was the BEST at explaining the quranic verses. There's a big difference between given the message to deliver and explaining the message. The Prophet Muhammed was a medium to reveal the message to mankind from God. There's nothing in the quran from what I've read to suggest he had the best explanation of verses. I've read that God Himself is the one who explains the verses to us
Do not move your tongue to hasten it. It is we who will collect it into Quran. Once we recite it, you shall follow such a Quran. Then it is we who will explain it.
Prince
To make things beautiful people do plastic surgery. We will not allow that to happen with Quran. Facts are facts and will remain facts.They maybe facts to you but you haven't shown any concrete evidence to your claims...just weak interpretations at best.
In regards to scholars it's irrelevant who says something...its what is being said that is important. peace
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Ayisha
Are you Prince?
Do you know how to count?
Which comes first 153 or 155?
Why do you always answer for others?
Do you have something personal with me?
Do you have anything sensible to say?If you read my post i quoted reply #153 in my response to you. I think you have a tendency to skip or skim past responses to your posts and hence don't come with a strong argument and attack fellow members like Ayisha. She was helping you understand your oversight peace
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I don't know why people elevate scholars to a such a high level. Just because they have knowledge doesn't mean they have the wisdom or are 'servants of God' instead taking satan as their friends/companions.
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I don't know why people elevate scholars to a such a high level. Just because they have knowledge doesn't mean they have the wisdom or are 'servants of God' instead taking satan as their friends/companions.
Peace,
Respect.I'd say they see them as some sort of leaders, from this life to a better life - Heaven.
God knows best but the way I see it, some of the people I know, see scholars linked to prophets and messengers.
God knows best.Peace. )
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Prince
If you read my post i quoted reply #153 in my response to you. I think you have a tendency to skip or skim past responses to your posts and hence don't come with a strong argument and attack fellow members like Ayisha. She was helping you understand your oversight
Yet assuming again! You need not tell me about Ayisha, I know her more than you, have been in contact with her in my 800 posts or so.
You did not discussed, conveniently ignored the Ayat posted that clearly indicates that Muhammad peace is upon him is responsible for explaining the verses of Quran and he is the best one to explain. Now if like a toddler you were looking for exact words than I am sorry.