Could this be the valley of BAKKAH?
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Peace
Where is the Valley of Bakkah mentioned in Quran and earlier scriptures?
4 Blessed are they that dwell in thy house they will be still praising thee. Selah.
5 Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them.
6 Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools.
?Bible, Psalm 84, verses 4 - 696 The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka Full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings
97 In it are Signs Manifest; (for example), the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; Pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to Allah,- those who can afford the journey; but if any deny faith, Allah stands not in need of any of His creatures.
?Qur'an, sura 3 (Al-i-Imran), ayat 96-9As they pass through the Valley of Baca,
?Bible, Psalm 84, verse 6Could the region described in the link below the famous Valley of Bakkah?
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beqaa_Valley
Share your thoughts.
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1437 is interesting.
The word translated in 396 as "appointed", it better translated as "placed", i.e. something put down, which interestingly is the opposite of raised up (RF3) used in other places. I am still studying this aspect.
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Thank you for your input... how do you think shifting the translation from 'appoint' to 'place' affects the message of the verse?
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Peace
Where is the Valley of Bakkah mentioned in Quran and earlier scriptures?
Could the region described in the link below the famous Valley of Bakkah?
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beqaa_Valley
Share your thoughts.
Beqaa (Arabic , "valley";
Could an Arabic teacher find any relationship of it with Bakkah?
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Thank you for your input... how do you think shifting the translation from 'appoint' to 'place' affects the message of the verse?
It may not affect the message at all, or it may affect it radically. AFAIK that word is not used for anyone but God, except when humans put down clothes or give birth, but never in terms of a structure/building.
As I said, I am still investigating. I often research each keyword, despite what translations say.
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Do you think you contributed anything to the topic when you wrote the above?
Could the region described in the link below the famous Valley of Bakkah?
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beqaa_Valley
Share your thoughts. Wayfinder
Could an Arabic teacher find any relationship of it with Bakkah? Mazhar
They are two words completely different. Just the first letter of the root is the same, the ba. It may sound similar to an ear which is no trained to the sounds of Arabic, but those sounds in Arabic are very distinct and cannot be confused, I think.
Salaam
This not only closes the thread but also suggests how irrelevant was the question.
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This not only closes the thread but also suggests how irrelevant was the question.
If Bakkah later became Makkah... then where is the problem with the names above which sounds similar... unlike Bakkah/Makkah
Therefore, regarding Makkah/Bakkah... I can also say the same.. They sound similar but they are different... the very first letter of the root is different.
I am not implying anything so far... i am not pretending to be an elite is arabic and trying to do some arabic acrobatics or whatever to show my might or power... I just opened this topic to gather thoughts.... Positive thoughts are welcome... negative ones, keep it in your pockets.
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peace to all
AWWALA BAYT
The first House
The word AWWALA BAYT has been neglected and not given due importance by any translator in his translation. The very use of the word FIRST indicates that there are at least one or more Houses other than this House. It would be incorrect to say that the first TAJ MAHAL was built or placed in INDIA, because there is no such TAJ MAHAL in the world. It can only be said when there is more than one TAJ MAHAL in the world. It is to be understood that there is another House, which is same or equivalent to the House mentioned in the verse 396
If we deem the House as Kaabah in Mecca then there is no such other Kaabah in the other parts of the world.
WUDIcA / WADAcA
Placed / set for mankind.Was the cubic structure set or placed or built? Without doubt human beings built it and therefore it is not Allah who built the House, because Allah never BUILDS anything but CREATES and then PLACES.
And the Book shall be (WUD.IcA) PLACED, and thou wilt see the culprits alarmed at that which is therein, and they will say Ah! woe unto us! what aileth this book that it leaveth not any sin small or great but it hath computed it! And they shall find all that they had wrought present; and thy Lord wrongeth not any one. 1849
And the earth will shine with the light of its Lord (Allah, when He will come to judge among men) and the Book will be (WUD.IcA) PLACED (open) and the Prophets and the witnesses will be brought forward, and it will be judged between them with truth, and they will not be wronged. 3969
And the heaven He has raised high, and He has (WAD.AcA) SET up the Balance. 557
And the earth He has (WAD.AcA) PLACED for the creatures. 5510
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Peace
Where is the Valley of Bakkah mentioned in Quran and earlier scriptures?
Could the region described in the link below the famous Valley of Bakkah?
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beqaa_Valley
Share your thoughts.
It possibly could be the one mentioned in Psalms as Canaan covered the area of lebanon as well as parts of Egypt, Isreal and Jordan. The rain mentioned in Psalms makes it more likely to be Lebanon rather than Saudi Arabia too.
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peace all,
From my studies so far, the evidence seems to weight it in favour of
The first/foremost house/shelter placed/set-down to/for the people is the one (which) at/by/with distinguishing/ranking above others*, blessed, and a guidance to/for the beings.
*a classical Arabic meaning of BKK is distinguishing/ranking above others.
I say this because, to me, it seems odd AQ uses "placed" if it meant humans physically built it. The dictionary explicitly states placed/WD3 is the opposite of RF3/raised/set-up which is used by Abraham in 2127 in reference to al bayt ("the house". So one has to ask can a physical house be set-down and set-up simultaneously? Unfortunately, the next verse 397 will require significant research from my end, since I am not familiar with its theoretical grammar possibilities, before anything solid can be concluded, and cross-reference it etc.
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peace all,
From my studies so far, the evidence seems to weight it in favour of
The first/foremost house/shelter placed/set-down to/for the people is the one (which) at/by/with distinguishing/ranking above others*, blessed, and a guidance to/for the beings.
*a classical Arabic meaning of BKK is distinguishing/ranking above others.
I say this because, to me, it seems odd AQ uses "placed" if it meant humans physically built it. The dictionary explicitly states placed/WD3 is the opposite of RF3/raised/set-up which is used by Abraham in 2127 in reference to al bayt ("the house". So one has to ask can a physical house be set-down and set-up simultaneously? Unfortunately, the next verse 397 will require significant research from my end, since I am not familiar with its theoretical grammar possibilities, before anything solid can be concluded, and cross-reference it etc.
The point will be quite clear if you put the meanings of passive verb as "appointed" for mankind. This verbal sentence is in the state of describing "adjective-" for Bait/house.
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peace all,
From my studies so far, the evidence seems to weight it in favour of
The first/foremost house/shelter placed/set-down to/for the people is the one (which) at/by/with distinguishing/ranking above others*, blessed, and a guidance to/for the beings.
*a classical Arabic meaning of BKK is distinguishing/ranking above others.
I say this because, to me, it seems odd AQ uses "placed" if it meant humans physically built it. The dictionary explicitly states placed/WD3 is the opposite of RF3/raised/set-up which is used by Abraham in 2127 in reference to al bayt ("the house". So one has to ask can a physical house be set-down and set-up simultaneously? Unfortunately, the next verse 397 will require significant research from my end, since I am not familiar with its theoretical grammar possibilities, before anything solid can be concluded, and cross-reference it etc.
I was able to check today through all occurrences in AQ, wd3 NEVER means set-up/raise, and always means set-down/placed, AND there is not one occurrence of man setting-down/placing any building, and in EVERY occurrence in which it does not obviously refer to a human it is God/We doing the setting-down/placing. This weights the translation heavily in favour of God/We being the ones who placed al bayt in 396.
I also discovered another stunning "coincidence", in 397 "whoever dakhala/enters it", the word "dakhala" is used many times in AQ, but the ONLY times it ever refers to a obvious non-physical/place is God's deen in 1102 and the peace/self-surrender/ssilm in 2208.
Coincidence? I think not. ;D
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The verb is passive; and the ergative-proxy subject refers back to First House, and the whole sentence is adjectival definition/portrayal of it.
What? The verb is passive and the house is the object. How can the house simultaneously be the subject and the object of a passive verb? Wakas is right, the subject is Allah.
