Could this be the valley of BAKKAH?
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Peace,
Lisanul-Arabi says more than that. Don't worry give me some time. Hopefully I will post it by tomorrow night insha allah. Don't be so intellectually dishonest, please. Again, I'll post everything there when I get a chance to post it, which should be by tomorrow night, God willing.
Godbless,
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Peace,
Lisanul-Arabi says more than that. Don't worry give me some time. Hopefully I will post it by tomorrow night insha allah. Don't be so intellectually dishonest, please. Again, I'll post everything there when I get a chance to post it, which should be by tomorrow night, God willing.
Godbless,
AnwarPeace,
Pseudo intellectuals keep exposing themselves by their dishonest observations while they perceive it not. Lisaan was referred to by you. Its main and basic observation about the word is that it is contra of elevation. And also check Lane Vol-VIII you will find everywhere that it is contra of elevation. -
Peace,
Mazhar, Psuedo-intellectual? What you have said in your own words is deceptive. You said
Its main and basic observation about the word is
The words 'main and basic observation' is your opinion and interjection. It is ONE definition of the word(not the main and basic observation), and it does not cancel out the other meanings.
Here's some other pertinent quotations from lisanul-'arab that follow your three worder above
"Wada3ahu, yadi3uhu wad3an wa mawdoo3an. Tha'lab recited two verses in which he said The mawdoo3 of your goodness and its marfoo3. He meant by mawdoo3 what he concealed and did not speak of and by marfoo3 what he made evident and spoke of."
You know I was going to translate the whole entry of Lisanul-Arab but that is just too much work. Here's a few entries
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This entry is talking about how wada3 used with a sword mean to cut someone down with it.
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This etnry talks about how wada3 with sword can mean to hit someone with sword or to put the sword down from one's hand, but that in this context it meant to hit someone with a sword. It also says that wada3 min al-yad means to throw down to the ground.
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This entry talks about how wada3 al-yad means 'to eat'
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This entry talks about how the Quranic verse that tells older woman that it is okay to relax their dress code uses wada3. And how it is interpreted as 'to take off' items called the milhafah and the ridaa'. So here it means 'to take off.'
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This entry talks about how 'wada3' with debt or some sort of payment and how it can be used to mean 'to forgive the debt' and how it can also mean 'to forgive' a crime.
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This entry talks about it being used as to stop something, as in war.
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Here wada3 means 'to create' or 'to invent' something.
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Wada3 here means to become debased.
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.Here it means 'to lose money.' or 'to be at a loss.'
Here it means 'to race' in particular to race on camelback or horseback.
Here it means to lead to pasture.
Here it means to restrain from violence.
Here it means 'to reach out, to outstretch, to offer.'
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Here it means to give birth.Here it means 'to take off'
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Here, I'm not sure. i'd have to look up tuhr and muqbal and double-check heedah, which I'm sure means menstruation. But this has something to do
with a woman being pregnant and menstruating..
This shows that mawda3 means 'place.' But so does mawqi3 and even masqat. Funny how often the word place has to do with the concept of going down.
Anyways, I really do think that is enough. I really do feel that this is a waste of time. And putting a house down somewhere brings absolutely NO contradictions with actually constructing the house, i.e raising it. Maybe the real issue here (with you guys) is with the word 'house' or 'bait'. I don't know. The word can just mean 'dwelling place' or 'shelter' in addition to 'family.' Do I need to look up and then translate all the important entries for this word as well? I'm sorry to be so snippy about this. But it really ticks me off when people find contradictions where there are none because they don't understand language, English or Arabic. And especially when they start jumping to all sorts of conclusions, NOT knowing the Arabic or knowing very basic Arabic. It's more the arrogant assertions and defense of the positions that are the problem. For those of you that have made a mountain out of this mole hill (and it it's not even a mole hill), take the meaning of 'to invent, to create' and roll with that. As for me. I just wasted a few hours of my life right now, but I hope someone benefited. As for that smart-ass comment about me being a psuedo-intellectual (it's always convenient to insult when you don't want to do the real homework and comb through all of those long entries in lisanul-Arab), who is the real psuedo-intellectual here, who shows only certain meanings, holding back the rest, twisting words and trying to deceptively lean the reader towards his own WRONG ideas?
Am I done now? Can I be done with this? Wakas, I hope and pray that you understand the points I've made. You are smarter than this. Don't get drawn into the sort of baseless intellectual masterbation that goes on here, where people go to all sorts of extremes to try to re-invent Arabic words using the Quran as an excuse, despite logical and sound knowledge. The Quran is a guidance for the knowledgeable not the imaginative!!
Godbless,
Anwar -
peace Anwar,
Yes, I appreciate what your saying, but my approach is clear for all to see http//www.quran434.com/study-method.html
I go where the evidence takes me, no more, no less...... or at least I try to.
As a side note, vast majority of the meanings you listed involved "to put down", and there was not one reference to it being used when building something.
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As a side note, vast majority of the meanings you listed involved "to put down", and there was not one reference to it being used when building something.
Sigh. Think about it man! Whether it is a house or a tent you've got to start it from the ground. one of the meanings was alsaqa ilaa al-ardi. To stick it/connect it to the ground.
Godbless,
Anwar -
The point of discussion was this
You can use the word even when you place something up high, like on your top shelf.--Anwar
This perception was declared incorrect by Mazhar
This is not the correct perception. Arabic Roots mirror all physical realities regarding the concept/perception infolded therein. will never reflect a thought of distancing away something upwardly. The perception infolded in the Root is to lay down, place a thing at a certain location of reach with the result that it becomes conspicous and evident. And where it is placed conspicuously that location/place becomes , scene, spot, location, position. With this background passive voice is also used in the meanings "to appoint"-see dictionary compiled by Abdul Manan Omar.
Anwar referred Lisan.
Mazhar stated
Lisaan was referred to by you. Its main and basic observation about the word is that it is contra of elevation. And also check Lane Vol-VIII you will find everywhere that it is contra of elevation.
Anwar responds
The words 'main and basic observation' is your opinion and interjection. It is ONE definition of the word(not the main and basic observation), and it does not cancel out the other meanings.
Here's some other pertinent quotations from lisanul-'arab that follow your three worder above
He reproduces the page available at http//www.baheth.info/all.jsp?term=
And he deleted the Head Entry which shows the basic meanings of the Root.
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.And in all entries, he will not find support for his opinion which was declared incorrect,
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Peace,
Mazhar,
I did not delete the first entry. I cited it from what you said and then added many of the other entries. You may not find some of the meanings in Lane's lexicon but I have not reviewed lane's entry for this. Anyway, like I said you can use wada3 even when you place something up high. If you put something on your head you use the word 'wada3'. When you put a roof on a house you use the word wada3. And you can both raise a roof and put a roof on a house. You don't see the ridiculousness of this concocted contradiction of yours?
Godbless,
Anwar -
Peace,
Mazhar,
I did not delete the first entry. I cited it from what you said and then added many of the other entries. You may not find some of the meanings in Lane's lexicon but I have not reviewed lane's entry for this. Anyway, like I said you can use wada3 even when you place something up high. If you put something on your head you use the word 'wada3'. When you put a roof on a house you use the word wada3. And you can both raise a roof and put a roof on a house. You don't see the ridiculousness of this concocted contradiction of yours?
Godbless,
AnwarBut from which entry of Lisan, you have put the page, you are assuming the aforesaid perception?
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Peace,
Mazhar it is simple logic and plain usage. When you put something on your head you raise it above your head and then set it down on your head. I guess my issue is that you guys are oversimplying rfa3 (to raise) and wada3(to put down) into an excessive black and white issue. You are acting like the two cannot be apart of the same action in some way. Putting something on your head for the most part involves you raising it up first and then, yes, doing the opposite of the raising by putting it down (even if only by a centimeter) onto your head. The same process can go on with a house. You first begin building it by putting the first bricks of the foundation DOWN onto the earth. Then you put more bricks down onto each other, effectively raising (rafa3) the level of the house by laying the bricks down (wada3) onto each other. SIGH!!! This is so simple and so kindergarten logic. I feel like I am talking to kindergarteners by having to explain this. But it seems that folks don't really think about these simple things and hence make assanine assumptions about them. Oh Humanity! We are indeed lost if these people are our leaders. God, give them guidance! Help them develop their powers of reason and thought! And keep them from assuming, and then making judgements, about things that they do not understand! By the way, this is very frustrating. I think I may have to stop participating in the conversation soon. For those who would take that as a victory, so be it. You can have your insane victory, and I'll just keep my sanity.
Godbless,
Anwar -
The same process can go on with a house. You first begin building it by putting the first bricks of the foundation DOWN onto the earth. Then you put more bricks down onto each other, effectively raising (rafa3) the level of the house by laying the bricks down (wada3) onto each other. SIGH!!! This is so simple and so kindergarten logic.
It is not logic, but kindergarten simplicity and play.
The continuous process of raising a building by placing bricks over and over does not mean that could signify raising-elevating. It is but childish thought.
And yes kindergarten do not understand that and both reflect relative locative relationship between two things.
