Childre of Israel , Media or jerusalem?
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Why is it they talk about beersheeba in the torah as if it was just near while we know sheeba was around northern Yemen? Why Miriam bore jesus by a palm tree, while in palestine there's no palm trees,
There certainly are Palm trees in Jerusalem. What about Palm Sunday too. Beersheeba is in Israel, its called be'er sheva and you can find it on google. Sheba is in Etheopia.why is that in the time of Mohamed, the children of Israel were living in western arabia , Khaybar, Bani kaynoukah, in taief and yemen ? why moses went to median who is in western arabia around Pithra or according to the history, salih was a prophet there,
Children of Israel lived all over the area, why shouldn't they ???
where did they go after mose? when mose took them free from pharaon,
They crossed to Sinai where Moses got the 10 commandments, they lived there for about 40 years.
i believe most jews now they're not children of israel, the only jews left are in the arab countries like yemen, modern jews are europeens, could they chose palestine for it(s better than going to the desert? so they forged stories about jerusalem ? I don't know, can someone clear it through true history and not religious books, for religions book get manipulated like the hadiths,
Even according to the Quran, when it speaks about the children of israel, it(s as if they were with koreish and median, around, as if mohamed was their messenger, except he's an ishmaelit,he was their messenger! He was messenger to all mankind including the children of Israel.
why ancient church use to call the companions, SARASENS ? as if they were descendants of sarah ? I met a man , a sunni , with beard , named LAWI, hes was from nothern medina, a hardcore sunni though, he told me he's a levi, they're the real children of israel, even they were children of israel in jerusalem, but they became muslims, they're called palestinians only now...could there be manipulation of history and religion just for land ?
thak youMoses was a Levite, from the tribe of Levi. Children of Israel are descendents of Jacob (Israel) which includes Levites. Saracen was a name the Romas called the desert people of Syria who were distinct from Arabs. Later it became used to mean Muslims.
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Something didn't make sense, why is it that abraham took ishmael all the way from palestine to mekkah, thousands of miles, it makes more sens if he was a few miles away and put his son as a keeper of the land, Why ethiopians keep saying that they are jews and nobody listen to them, we know that ethiopia ia arabs neighboors, maybe because they're africans blacks so their history is not important ??? I met etjiopians so confident that they're children of Israel, How about Yemen ? why are there jews still living there and they look exactly like Arabs ? and they say they originate from there, Sounds to me like manipulation from modern Israel, those who were not real Jews, maybe they manipulated the history since they Had jesus, they needed jesus to be the son of Isaak and all... , children of israel were almost inexistant except in arabia before Mohamed, why does the names of the tribes from bible all sound like Arab names, and not like damascus, babylonia canaan, lebanon etc... , maybe it all happened between western arabia and Egypt, there was a minor role in palestine, but than jesus came there and they liked the land, mediteraneen , nice weather, green and all.....so they play games to take it and setttle there, better than the desert;;; I'm just guessing of what i learned from the bible
but still, there's key words, bersheba - Bethel = beitallah=kaaba = the pools make it well=zamzam etc... to many similarities between old testament and arabia -
Something didn't make sense, why is it that abraham took ishmael all the way from palestine to mekkah, thousands of miles, it makes more sens if he was a few miles away and put his son as a keeper of the land, Why ethiopians keep saying that they are jews and nobody listen to them, we know that ethiopia ia arabs neighboors, maybe because they're africans blacks so their history is not important ??? I met etjiopians so confident that they're children of Israel, How about Yemen ? why are there jews still living there and they look exactly like Arabs ? and they say they originate from there, Sounds to me like manipulation from modern Israel, those who were not real Jews, maybe they manipulated the history since they Had jesus, they needed jesus to be the son of Isaak and all... , children of israel were almost inexistant except in arabia before Mohamed, why does the names of the tribes from bible all sound like Arab names, and not like damascus, babylonia canaan, lebanon etc... , maybe it all happened between western arabia and Egypt, there was a minor role in palestine, but than jesus came there and they liked the land, mediteraneen , nice weather, green and all.....so they play games to take it and setttle there, better than the desert;;; I'm just guessing of what i learned from the bible
but still, there's key words, bersheba - Bethel = beitallah=kaaba = the pools make it well=zamzam etc... to many similarities between old testament and arabiawell, thanks for making me study and I have been surprised at my finds.
Firstly, I cannot find anywhere in Quran where it actually says Ishmael was the son Abraham was going to sacrifice! o
The place of sacrifice was Moriah which is where the Dome of the Rock is in Jerusalem
Will get back with more.
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Even Sinai sounds like Sana From yemen, what about Pau who went to arabia and spent 3 years learning over there, and most people here say arabic started to be written in the centurey of Mohamed, so he went south to arabia to learn from the jews after all, at least that's how it sounds
About the sacrifice ithere is somwhere where it says after the sacrifice and his patience we granted him Isaak
I guess the story of who was to be sacrificed is not important in the Quran
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Even Sinai sounds like Sana From yemen, what about Pau who went to arabia and spent 3 years learning over there, and most people here say arabic started to be written in the centurey of Mohamed, so he went south to arabia to learn from the jews after all, at least that's how it sounds
Never heard of Pau.
Arabic was written much earlier than the century of Muhammed. "The Nabataeans, which established a kingdom in what is modern-day Jordan from the 2nd century BCE, were Arabs. They wrote with a highly cursive Aramaic-derived alphabet that would eventually evolve into the Arabic alphabet. The Nabataeans endured until the year 106 CE, when they were conquered by the Romans, but Nabataean inscriptions continue to appear until the 4th century CE, coinciding with the first inscriptions in the Arabic alphabet (which is also found in Jordan). "Many hebrew words sound similar to Arabic anyway.
I understand you appear to be confused loxbox, but it is not clear about what you are confused. You seem to be looking for Islam to be a stand alone thing without anything to do with jews but that is not how it is.
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Not Aisha i don't think of islam as a stand alone from jews, because the quran stated all about jews prophets etc.... plus islam is universal, that's not the point, i remember it always bothered me the weird names in the old testament, eliphim, eryphim, baiphim ...phi etc, maybe it was only the language, but still, i was young i use to laugh inside, honestly, i'm not making fun og them though, but still, i feel these are all fabricated names, sometimes when i read religious books i feeel like i'm reading lord of the rings or something, that's why i felt this way, i guess the truth of history willl never be known in it's real events, we have to look forward but we like to learn, what about the life of prophet Mohamed, his biography ? you think it's good to dig in to find his biography? he was a great man after all and a messenger of god, there was one song about him and i loved it the first time i heard it, u never heard a song about prophet mohamed?? i remember it goes tala badrou aliiena
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Not Aisha i don't think of islam as a stand alone from jews, because the quran stated all about jews prophets etc.... plus islam is universal, that's not the point, i remember it always bothered me the weird names in the old testament, eliphim, eryphim, baiphim ...phi etc, maybe it was only the language, but still, i was young i use to laugh inside, honestly, i'm not making fun og them though, but still, i feel these are all fabricated names, sometimes when i read religious books i feeel like i'm reading lord of the rings or something, that's why i felt this way, i guess the truth of history willl never be known in it's real events, we have to look forward but we like to learn, what about the life of prophet Mohamed, his biography ? you think it's good to dig in to find his biography? he was a great man after all and a messenger of god, there was one song about him and i loved it the first time i heard it, u never heard a song about prophet mohamed?? i remember it goes tala badrou aliiena
Yes I know the song, it's supposed to be what was sung by the people of Madina when the prophet arrived there from Mecca. Nice song
The names in the OT will sound odd depending where you're from though just as the names in hadith sound odd to me as I am English. Its a very different place and time, just as the majority of the names of ancient Egypt are strange and hard to pronounce.
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Firstly, I cannot find anywhere in Quran where it actually says Ishmael was the son Abraham was going to sacrifice!
Please consult
37100-112 alongwith 2172 and about the timing of birth of second son also see 1169 onwards. For first son description is Haleem and for second son description is Aleem in 1552-53/5124-25.
Two sons from two wives-in Urdu
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Please consult
37100-112 alongwith 2172 and about the timing of birth of second son also see 1169 onwards. For first son description is Haleem and for second son description is Aleem in 1552-53/5124-25.
Two sons from two wives-in Urdu
i did look at these verses.
There is nothing in 37100-112 that specifies this was Ishmael who was to be sacrificed and just because in 37.112 it says Abraham was given Isaac doesnt mean that this happened AFTER the sacrifice.21.72 is nothing to do with timing of sons, this says God gave Abraham Isaac and Jacob, Jacob was Abrahams grandson and Isaacs son.
11.69 onwards is also to do with the son Isaac born to a barren woman and that son having Jacob, Abrahams grandson,
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21.72 is nothing to do with timing of sons, this says God gave Abraham Isaac and Jacob, Jacob was Abrahams grandson and Isaacs son.
The news of this son was given/communicated by those who had come to execute the punishment upon nation of Lut alahissalam. Does it not show he was born after the execution of punishment upon that nation?
First son is granted in response to demand/prayer. The other son is granted as an unsolicited gift. Does it not show the sequence of births?
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The news of this son was given/communicated by those who had come to execute the punishment upon nation of Lut alahissalam. Does it not show he was born after the execution of punishment upon that nation?
The news of this son was Isaac. Ishmael was already born. The sacrifice was after the punishment on Sodom.
First son is granted in response to demand/prayer. The other son is granted as an unsolicited gift. Does it not show the sequence of births?
There was no prayer for the first son Ishmael, the prayer was for the son from Sarah. Why would Allah grant a gift of a son for not killing a son? It does not take away the fact that what you saw as son 1 and son 2 was actually son then grandson.
In the words of Arnie, I will be back. peace
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The news of this son was Isaac. Ishmael was already born.
Thanks you agreed on this point, and correctly interpreted conjunction "waw" indicating sequence.
There was no prayer for the first son Ishmael, the prayer was for the son from Sarah.
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"O my Sustainer Lord! Grant me a son that be from amongst the righteous"http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/037.%20As%20Safaat/37.101.gif
In response We gave him good news of a softhearted enduring son.
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He got the son thereafter when he crossed over to the age of working with him, he said,This son was born in response to the prayer/demand for a son, and sacrifice issue is about him.
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And We gave him glad news about Ies'hauq , Elevated and Chosen from amongst the Perfectionists.
After the episode of sacrifice is over, this glad news was given about Ishaque alhissalam.
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And to him We gifted Ies'hauqe and Ya'qoob as unsolicited gift;2172
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Peace Mazhar,
How do you know from al-quran that Ibrahim had 2 wifes?
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So you did not read the artical in Urdu from the given link.
Two sons from two wives-in Urdu
Can a woman who had earlier a son say this,
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And they gave him the good news of a highly knowledgeable son.http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/051.%20Az%20Zariat/51.29.gif
Sequel to listening this his wife came in face to face in a contracted/wrapped state whereupon she covered her face with hand
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and said, "An old barren woman "This quote of her shows her to be the second wife not the other one who already had a son.
Surat 51
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Peace Mazhar,
Sorry, I don't read Urdu.
Your deduction (her being a second wife) from this verse is far-fetched. She might have had childrens when she was young; but now, she is surprised to be able to have another child at very old age, as any woman would be at such age. No need to go into such speculations.
Also, if I follow your reasoning, why did you choose that she is a second wife? maybe a third, a fourth or a tenth wife?
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Peace Mazhar,
Sorry, I don't read Urdu.
Your deduction (her being a second wife) from this verse is far-fetched. She might have had childrens when she was young; but now, she is surprised to be able to have another child at very old age, as any woman would be at such age. No need to go into such speculations.
Also, if I follow your reasoning, why did you choose that she is a second wife? maybe a third, a fourth or a tenth wife?
Is it something near-fetched while being second wife is a far-fetched deduction??? You also did not care for "barren".
Qur'aan quotes about his thanks for grant of two sons only. Deduction can be made only from available information not from presumptions.
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Thanks you agreed on this point, and correctly interpreted conjunction "waw" indicating sequence.
huh?http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/037.%20As%20Safaat/37.100.gif
"O my Sustainer Lord! Grant me a son that be from amongst the righteous"http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/037.%20As%20Safaat/37.101.gif
In response We gave him good news of a softhearted enduring son.
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He got the son thereafter when he crossed over to the age of working with him, he said,This son was born in response to the prayer/demand for a son, and sacrifice issue is about him.
The son prayed for was Isaac the sacrifice was Isaac. Which migration are you refering to?http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/037.%20As%20Safaat/37.112.gif
And We gave him glad news about Ies'hauq , Elevated and Chosen from amongst the Perfectionists.
After the episode of sacrifice is over, this glad news was given about Ishaque alhissalam.
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And to him We gifted Ies'hauqe and Ya'qoob as unsolicited gift;2172
Just because the verse comes after doesn't mean this happened after. You read that before that he was given son Isaac then second son Jacob when Jacob is the son of Isaac.
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So you did not read the artical in Urdu from the given link.
Can a woman who had earlier a son say this,
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/051.%20Az%20Zariat/51.28b.gif
And they gave him the good news of a highly knowledgeable son.http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/051.%20Az%20Zariat/51.29.gif
Sequel to listening this his wife came in face to face in a contracted/wrapped state whereupon she covered her face with hand
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/051.%20Az%20Zariat/51.29a.gif
and said, "An old barren woman "This quote of her shows her to be the second wife not the other one who already had a son.
Surat 51
Sarah was the first wife but she bore the second son