How are the Sacred Months determined with Qur'an alone?

Wakas

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MesMorial

I did some research the first part of which addresses my question, the rest of which is a general response to "How do you perform Hajj without the ahadith?"

If there are improvements to be made, please point them out. I am working on standard responses to establish a solid foundation based on logic without the need for flexible interpretation (using the Ali, Shakir and Pickthal translations). However, I would require some more in-depth analysis of the Sacred Months in pre-Islamic times.

The pilgrimage is (performed in) the well-known months; so whoever determines the performance of the pilgrimage therein, there shall be no intercourse nor fornication nor quarrelling amongst one another; and whatever good you do, Allah knows it; and make provision, for surely the provision is the guarding of oneself, and be careful (of your duty) to Me, O men of understanding.

Qur?an 2197

It is implied that the "well-known months" are Dhu al-Hijja, Muharram, Safar, and Rabee? Awwaland (see 91-5 below). They were considered sacred in pre-Islamic times (hence ?well-known?). They may not be the traditional non-consecutive months of Rajab, Dhu al-Qa'da, Dhu al-Hijja and Muharram since

(This is a declaration of) immunity by Allah and His Messenger towards those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement.

Qur?an 91

So go about in the land for four months and know that you cannot weaken Allah and that Allah will bring disgrace to the unbelievers.

Qur?an 92

So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them...

Qur?an 95

This announcement was made in the month preceding the four consecutive sacred months

http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/quran/maududi/mau9.html

NOTE

Ayat 95 and 929 are the most difficult problem for Islam in today's world. I hope to address this in time!

Traditional scholars have (maybe) corrupted not only the Sacred Months but also the time allowed to complete Hajj. Today it is required that Muslims complete it in two days, but the Qur?an in 2197 says differently (above).

Scholars justify themselves via these ayat

And laud Allah during the numbered days; then whoever hastens off in two days, there is no blame on him, and whoever remains behind, there is no blame on him, (this is) for him who guards (against evil), and be careful (of your duty) to Allah, and know that you shall be gathered together to Him.

Qur?an 2203

And proclaim among men the Pilgrimage they will come to you on foot and on every lean camel, coming from every remote path, that they may witness advantages for them and mention the name of Allah during the predetermined days over what He has given them of the cattle quadrupeds, then eat of them and feed the distressed one, the needy.

Qur?an 2227-28

Hajj itself can be completed in several days but the time allowed to do so is four months! Why else are there stampedes resulting in hundreds of deaths each year?

Allah desires ease for you, and He does not desire for you difficulty...

Qur?an 2185

The Qur?an lacks nothing concerning Hajj. In sequence

And when We made the House a pilgrimage for men and a (place of) security, and Appoint for yourselves a place of prayer on the standing-place of Ibrahim. And We enjoined Ibrahim and Ismail saying Purify My House for those who visit (it) and those who abide (in it) for devotion and those who bow down (and) those who prostrate themselves.

Qur?an 2125

Surely the Safa and the Marwa are among the signs appointed by Allah; so whoever makes a pilgrimage to the House or pays a visit (to it), there is no blame on him if he goes round them both; and whoever does good spontaneously, then surely Allah is Grateful, Knowing.

Qur?an 2158

And accomplish the pilgrimage and the visit for Allah, but if, you are prevented, (send) whatever offering is easy to obtain, and do not shave your heads until the offering reaches its destination; but whoever among you is sick or has an ailment of the head, he (should effect) a compensation by fasting or alms or sacrificing, then when you are secure, whoever profits by combining the visit with the pilgrimage (should take) what offering is easy to obtain; but he who cannot find (any offering) should fast for three days during the pilgrimage and for seven days when you return; these (make) ten (days) complete; this is for him whose family is not present in the Sacred Mosque, and be careful (of your duty) to Allah, and know that Allah is severe in requiting (evil).

Qur?an 2196

There is no blame on you in seeking bounty from your Lord, so when you hasten on from "Arafat", then remember Allah near the Holy Monument, and remember Him as He has guided you, though before that you were certainly of the erring ones.

Qur?an 2198

Then hasten on from the Place from which the people hasten on and ask the forgiveness of Allah; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

Qur?an 2199

So when you have performed your devotions, then laud Allah as you lauded your fathers, rather a greater lauding. But there are some people who say, Our Lord! give us in the world, and they shall have no resting place.

Qur?an 2200

And laud Allah during the numbered days; then whoever hastens off in two days, there is no blame on him, and whoever remains behind, there is no blame on him, (this is) for him who guards (against evil), and be careful (of your duty) to Allah, and know that you shall be gathered together to Him.

Qur?an 2203

Most surely the first house appointed for men is the one at Bekka, blessed and a guidance for the nations.

Qur?an 396

O you who believe! do not kill game while you are on pilgrimage, and whoever among you shall kill it intentionally, the compensation (of it) is the like of what he killed, from the cattle, as two just persons among you shall judge, as an offering to be brought to the Kaaba or the expiation (of it) is the feeding of the poor or the equivalent of it in fasting, that he may taste the unwholesome result of his deed; Allah has pardoned what is gone by; and whoever returns (to it), Allah will inflict retribution on him; and Allah is Mighty, Lord of Retribution.

Qur?an 595

The remainder relates to hunting and further details.

NOTE

And when We assigned to Ibrahim the place of the House, saying Do not associate with Me aught, and purify My House for those who make the circuit and stand to pray and bow and prostrate themselves.

Qur?an 2226

It is tradition to seek the blessing of a black stone at the Kaaba. This is not prescribed by the Qur?an. Also, the water of Zamzam is never stated to be blessed. All ?cures? and qualities are to be ascribed to Allah alone.

Concerning Hajj on ?behalf? of deceased relatives

And that man shall have nothing but what he strives for.

Qur?an 5339

If Hajj is for Allah alone, then what need is there to include as a part of it the visiting of the Prophet?s tomb (in Medina)? Since the religion of Islam began not with Muhammad, this is an innovation (?Baca? is mentioned in the Bible in Psalm 841-6, NIV Bible (also called the psalm of pilgrimage http//dignoscentia.com/2008/01/19/psalm-84-pilgrimage-song/)).
Furthermore, the Prophet is worshipped alongside Allah with the phrase ?Two Holy Mosques? referring to the Kaaba and too the Prophet?s tomb!

http//www.info.gov.sa/portals/kingdom/Mosques.html

Finally, traditionally Muslim women are not permitted to travel (for more than 3 days) without a male relative. The ahadith horde qualifications not a few of which contradict the Qur?an.

e.g.

Say Call upon Allah or call upon, the Beneficent Allah; whichever you call upon, He has the best names; and do not utter your prayer with a very raised voice nor be silent with regard to it, and seek a way between these.

Qur?an 17110

Yet two of the five traditional salat are recited silently.

And say (All) praise is due to Allah, Who has not taken a son and Who has not a partner in the kingdom, and Who has not a helper to save Him from disgrace; and proclaim His greatness magnifying (Him).

Qur?an 17111

Yet the Prophet?s name is proclaimed (ritually) alongside Allah

All greetings, blessings and good acts are from You, my Lord.
Greetings to you, O Prophet, and the mercy and blessings of Allah.
Peace be unto us, and unto the righteous servants of Allah.
I bear witness that there is none worthy of worship except Allah.
And I bear witness that Muhammad is His servant and messenger.*

Even if we follow the scholars, it is clear that the Prophet would never say these words as prayer.

*This recreates a conversation between Allah and Muhammad (SAW) during the Mi?raj when (according to ahadith) Muhammad (SAW) ascended to Heaven and bargained the daily prayers from fifty required down to five...

Peace to you all.

Mazhar

http//The pilgrimage is (performed in) the well-known months;

But Hu'j is performed only during certain known days of only ONE month.

kgwithnob

http//The pilgrimage is (performed in) the well-known months;

But Hu'j is performed only during certain known days of only ONE month.

Salaam,

But according to The Qur'aan, as MesMorial elaborated in his post in details, the months of performing Hajj Pilgrimage are FOUR CONSECUTIVE months of ZULHIJJAH, MUHARRAM, SAFAR, and RABEE'UL'AWWAL. The rest is non Qur'aanic innovations for the sake of POLITICAL & ECONOMIC goals/gains. And who pays the huge price for this innovation? Obviously the millions of pilgrims who go through all the hardship of getting cramped into a few days of performing their GOD prescribed HAJJ rituals resulting in all kinds of unnecessary life threatening accidents and illnesses.

Peace,
Khalil

kgwithnob

I did some research the first part of which addresses my question, the rest of which is a general response to "How do you perform Hajj without the ahadith?"

If there are improvements to be made, please point them out. I am working on standard responses to establish a solid foundation based on logic without the need for flexible interpretation (using the Ali, Shakir and Pickthal translations). However, I would require some more in-depth analysis of the Sacred Months in pre-Islamic times.

Salaam dear brother MesMorial, and welcome.

I think your post is quite adequate, covering most aspects of performing HAJJ PILGRIMAGE ACCORDING TO THE QUR'AAN ALONE.

May ALLAAH SWT bless you and Guides us all in His straight path.

Peace,
Khalil

Mazhar

It is implied that the "well-known months" are Dhu al-Hijja, Muharram, Safar, and Rabee? Awwaland (see 91-5 below). They were considered sacred in pre-Islamic times (hence ?well-known?). They may not be the traditional non-consecutive months of Rajab, Dhu al-Qa'da, Dhu al-Hijja and Muharram since

(This is a declaration of) immunity by Allah and His Messenger towards those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement.

Qur?an 91

The name of the month is quite reflective. If Hu'j is in four months, how this term could be used to refer to a year?

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He said to Musa , "Indeed I wish that I may marry with you one of my daughters, these two, on that you may serve me for eight lunar years.

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ayman

But according to The Qur'aan, as MesMorial elaborated in his post in details, the months of performing Hajj Pilgrimage are FOUR CONSECUTIVE months of ZULHIJJAH, MUHARRAM, SAFAR, and RABEE'UL'AWWAL.

How do you know this according to The Qur'aan? Why RABEE'UL'AWWAL and say not ZULQI'DAH, for example? You can conjecture whatever arbitrary months you want just don't say that it is "according to The Qur'aan".

Peace,

Ayman

ayman

The name of the month is quite reflective. If Hu'j is in four months, how this term could be used to refer to a year?
He said to Musa , "Indeed I wish that I may marry with you one of my daughters, these two, on that you may serve me for eight lunar years.

Names have become meaningless in the Hijri calendar otherwise by the same token, "ramadan" would be the period of heat and "jamad" would be the period of cold and the two "rabi3" would be the two periods for grazing in Arabia in the fall and spring. If people are going to use the "name" argument then they should at least try to be consistent instead of just arbitrarily appealing to the meaning of the name when it suits them and ignoring it when it doesn't.

As for lunar years, Moses was clearly hired to do typical ranch type labor such as tending for sheep. Almost everyone knows the indisputable fact that labor related to the cycle of animals and crops follows the solar cycle and not the lunar cycle.

Peace,

Ayman

ayman

I did some research the first part of which addresses my question, the rest of which is a general response to "How do you perform Hajj without the ahadith?"
If there are improvements to be made, please point them out. I am working on standard responses to establish a solid foundation based on logic without the need for flexible interpretation (using the Ali, Shakir and Pickthal translations). However, I would require some more in-depth analysis of the Sacred Months in pre-Islamic times.

The pilgrimage is (performed in) the well-known months; so whoever determines the performance of the pilgrimage therein, there shall be no intercourse nor fornication nor quarrelling amongst one another; and whatever good you do, Allah knows it; and make provision, for surely the provision is the guarding of oneself, and be careful (of your duty) to Me, O men of understanding.
Qur?an 2197
It is implied that the "well-known months" are Dhu al-Hijja, Muharram, Safar, and Rabee? Awwaland (see 91-5 below). They were considered sacred in pre-Islamic times (hence ?well-known?). They may not be the traditional non-consecutive months of Rajab, Dhu al-Qa'da, Dhu al-Hijja and Muharram since

How are these months "well known"? Can you provide any pre-Islamic source that shows these to be well-known? Did any of the people of the book know these months?

There is nothing implied that the "well-known months" are Dhu al-Hijja, Muharram, Safar, and Rabee? Awwal. Those are not "well known" even now let alone in pre-Islamic times.

Peace,

Ayman

Mazhar

As for lunar years, Moses was clearly hired to do typical ranch type labor such as tending for sheep. Almost everyone knows the indisputable fact that labor related to the cycle of animals and crops follows the solar cycle and not the lunar cycle.

So you think he used the word before Musa alahissalam who came from capital of Egypt to convey him eight "cycles of animals" not years. Have you ever heard people mentioning number of years in this style?

ayman

So you think he used the word before Musa alahissalam who came from capital of Egypt to convey him eight "cycles of animals" not years. Have you ever heard people mentioning number of years in this style?

People who work on ranches say all the time things like "I will hire you for eight harvests" or eight harvest feasts (cyclical events tied to the solar year that have to do with animals and food, which is mainly what "hagg" is about as per 222. No sane person on a ranch or a farm hires a worker according to the lunar year.

MesMorial

How are these months "well known"? Can you provide any pre-Islamic source that shows these to be well-known? Did any of the people of the book know these months?

There is nothing implied that the "well-known months" are Dhu al-Hijja, Muharram, Safar, and Rabee? Awwal. Those are not "well known" even now let alone in pre-Islamic times.

I perhaps should have phrased it this way (thankyou for that)

"It is implied that the "well-known months" are Dhu al-Hijja, Muharram, Safar, and Rabee? Awwaland (see 91-5 below). They may not be the traditional non-consecutive months of Rajab, Dhu al-Qa'da, Dhu al-Hijja and Muharram..."

These links declare that the traditional months were in fact ?well known?

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_calendar

http//inthenameofallah.org/Pre%20Islamic%20Months.html

http//www.alsadiqin.org/en/index.php?title=The_Pre-Islamic_Calendar

But we (and they) have only the hadiths (as a historical source) to indicate Rajab is sacred.

Concerning Safar (it was sometimes considered sacred)

http//www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/books/86

91-5 was proclaimed on the day of the greater pilgrimage further supporting that the ?four months? refers to the four consecutive months after that.

?There is no dispute with Zul-Hijjah being one of the four sacred months. People are comfortable with having Zul-Hijjah as one of the four sacred months as the name of this month itself implies a connection with Hajj. Rabi is derived from the root word Araba which means 4. There are 2 months in the lunar calendar with Rabi in their name; the third month of the lunar calendar - Rabi I and the fourth month - Rabi II. Use of the word Rabi (implying 4) for the fourth calendar month is understandable, but why does the third month of the lunar calendar also have the word Rabi in it? It is fourth of what? It is the fourth of the Sacred Months beginning with Zul-Hijjah.?

(Submission.org)

Personally it is difficult for me to be certain and so it is the one point with which I am dissatisfied.

MesMorial

May ALLAAH SWT bless you and Guides us all in His straight path.

Peace,
Khalil

Thankyou and peace to you brother kgwithnob

Mazhar

People who work on ranches say all the time things like "I will hire you for eight harvests" or eight harvest feasts (cyclical events tied to the solar year that have to do with animals and food, which is mainly what "hagg" is about as per 222. No sane person on a ranch or a farm hires a worker according to the lunar year.

So you are assigning to meanings "harvest feasts" which obviously in not a lunar or solar year since these are more than one in a year. Is it so?

ayman

So you are assigning to meanings "harvest feasts" which obviously in not a lunar or solar year since these are more than one in a year. Is it so?

The word "hagg"/ meant "harvest feasts" long before I was born. The people of the book, including Moses, understood "hagg" as an annual "harvest feast".

http//www.infobot.org/factpacks/old_test_meanings.fact
http//strongsnumbers.com/hebrew/2282.htm

Long before the prophet, you and I were born, the descendants of Israel celebrated the biggest harvest feast "al-hagg al-akbar" (they call it "hagg Sukkot&quot once a year on the fourth full-moon after the summer solstice (the last of the inviolable full-moons).

http//www.truthofyahweh.org/feast_sacrif.html
http//www.partyguideonline.com/foodndrink/harvestfestivals.html
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_harvest_festivals
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukkot

The timing of the harvest feasts as marked by the full-moons is indeed well known to everyone as the god said (ash-hur ma3loomat). The meaning of "hagg" as feast was not only known to the people of the book, but has also always been known to the pagans, as evidenced by this ancient Semitic inscription from the 8th century BCE mentioning "hagg"

http//ntwrong.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/neo-hittite-funerary-rite/

Generally, the harvest feasts are marked by the full-moon (also called harvest moon) and they last for a few days. Depending on the time when food is most plentiful in the specific region, they usually take place on one of the three full moons occuring approximately between mid summer and mid fall.

Peace,

Ayman

Mazhar

The word "hagg"/ meant "harvest feasts" long before I was born. The people of the book, including Moses, understood "hagg" as an annual "harvest feast".

http//www.infobot.org/factpacks/old_test_meanings.fact
http//strongsnumbers.com/hebrew/2282.htm

Long before the prophet, you and I were born, the descendants of Israel celebrated the biggest harvest feast "al-hagg al-akbar" (they call it "hagg Sukkot&quot once a year on the fourth full-moon after the summer solstice (the last of the inviolable full-moons).

http//www.truthofyahweh.org/feast_sacrif.html
http//www.partyguideonline.com/foodndrink/harvestfestivals.html
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_harvest_festivals
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukkot

The timing of the harvest feasts as marked by the full-moons is indeed well known to everyone as the god said (ash-hur ma3loomat). The meaning of "hagg" as feast was not only known to the people of the book, but has also always been known to the pagans, as evidenced by this ancient Semitic inscription from the 8th century BCE mentioning "hagg"

http//ntwrong.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/neo-hittite-funerary-rite/

Generally, the harvest feasts are marked by the full-moon (also called harvest moon) and they last for a few days. Depending on the time when food is most plentiful in the specific region, they usually take place on one of the three full moons occuring approximately between mid summer and mid fall.

Peace,

Ayman

So, as you suggest, he was asked to invite people at large for a" grand harvest feast" at a place where there is no cultivation, long before our birth and every body conveniently understood he was inviting for a feast.

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And you pronounce amongst the people for Hajj ,
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they will come to you on foot and upon each and every ride, they coming from every deep and distant mountain highways;

Al-Hu'j-Surat 22

ayman

So, as you suggest, he was asked to invite people at large for a" grand harvest feast" at a place where there is no cultivation, long before our birth and every body conveniently understood he was inviting for a feast.

Yes.

The pre-quranic meaning of "hagg" is "feast". The issue that you are talking about doesn't change this reality. The issue of the place is due to looking at only one aspect while not considering the whole picture.

The place at the time when it was first settled had no cultivated crops but it had naturally occuring plants. Here is what that the god told the people of the prophet who later lived in this same place

1610-11. He is the One who sent down water from the sky for you, from it you drink, and from it emerge the trees that you wander around in. He brings forth with it vegetation and olives and palm trees and grapes and from all the fruits. In that are signs for a people who think.

And He is the One who sent down water from the sky, and We brought out with it plants of every kind. We brought out from it the green, from which We bring out multiple seeds; and what is from the palm trees, from its sheaths hanging low and near; and gardens of grapes and olives and pomegranates, similar and not similar. Look at its fruit when it blossoms and its ripeness. In this are signs for a people that believe.
And He is the One Who initiated gardens; both trellised and untrellised; and palm trees, and plants, all with different taste; and olives and pomegranates, similar and not similar. Eat from its fruit when it blossoms and give its due on the day of harvest; and do not waste. He does not like the wasteful.

7928-32.And grapes and pasture.
And olives and palm trees.
And gardens in variety.
And fruits and vegetables.
An enjoyment for you and your livestock.

951-3. By the fig and the olive. And the mount of aridness. And this town of security.

By the way, it should be

Peace,

Ayman

Mazhar

Thanks for spell correction, I missed typing the suffixed pronoun alonwith sound stretching sign for reason of following vowelled hamza.

The quoted aayat are general in nature. It is specific and also time related during the currency of life of a person to whom people were supposed to approach for "festival feast" if that word means so.

And you pronounce amongst the people for Hajj ,

they will come to you on foot and upon each and every ride, they coming from every deep and distant mountain highways;

ayman

The quoted aayat are general in nature. It is specific and also time related during the currency of life of a person to whom people were supposed to approach for "festival feast" if that word means so.

The quoted passages are general in terms of the lessons learned but not general in terms of the specific examples they cite. Those examples must have been relevant to the people of the prophet. They repeat the same types of fruits that are native to a particular region and not any general fruits from all over the world. All the fruits repeatedly quoted (Olives, date palms, figs, pomegranates, grapes) are native to Northern Arabia and not to Central Arabia. It would have been ridiculous for the prophet to tell his people, for example in 6141, "Eat from its fruit when it blossoms and give its due on the day of harvest" of things that they neither harvest nor eat from. This is especially in light of the context of 6135-145, which starts with the following

Say ?My people,...

Peace,

Ayman

Mazhar

Peace Aymen,

Please attend this

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And you pronounce amongst the people for Hajj ,
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they will come to you on foot and upon each and every ride, they coming from every deep and distant mountain highways;

Al-Hu'j-Surat 22