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    Mazhar
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    Mazhar masdar mimi or no mimi IS noun.
    Speech in Arabic is divided into three major categories verbs, nouns and prepositions.

    Yes, Sister Samia this simplest thing I know. I write them in different sequence Preposition-Noun-Verb to let people recognize nouns and verbs of Qur'aan merely by seeing with eyes through the courtesy of prepositions.

    Masdar is certainly a Noun but it is different sub classification with difference like that which exists between Noun Samia and Noun Mazhar. Masdar is neither plural nor gender specific. It refers only to action and state NOT objects and entities. And that is why it acts like verb.

    Can I have a reference from any dictionary, classical or modern which calls those three words as Masdar Meemi. If not then I can only consider it as personal opinion not substantiated by evidence.

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      The masdar which cannot take a plural is when it is used as

      Example

      Yet one can say
      And this is
      Some masdars cannot take a plural such as
      Others can such as
      Grammarians take different stands regarding the plural of masdars. It seems that there is no consensus except on masdars working as .

      This is a page in Arabic on the plural of masdars in the qur'aan by (Sheikh Udaima from his book )

      http//www.dhifaaf.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8264

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        Muhammad is the Messenger of God. Those who are with him are hard against the unbelievers merciful one to another. You see them bowing, prostrating, seeking blessing, bounty and good pleasure (of God). Their mark is on their faces, the trace of prostration. That is their likeness in the Torah, and their likeness in the Gospel as a seed that puts forth its shoot, and strengthens it, and it grows strong and rises straight upon its stalk, pleasing the sowers, that through them it may enrage the unbelievers. God has promised those of them who believe and do deeds of righteousness forgiveness and a mighty wage(4829)

        Genesis 171-4 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me and be thou perfect. 2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly. 3 And Abram fell on his face and God talked with him, saying, 4 As for Me, behold, My covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

        Deuteronomy 56-9 I am the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 7 Thou shalt have none other gods before Me. 8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth 9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them nor serve them...

        Psalm 956 O come, let us worship and bow down let us kneel before the Lord our Maker.

        Revelations 711-12 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 Saying, Amen Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

        Joshua 76-7 And Joshua rent his clothes, and fell to the earth upon his face before the ark of the Lord until eventide, he and the elders of Israel, and put dust upon their heads. 7 And Joshua said, Alas, O Lord God, wherefore hast Thou at all brought this people over Jordan, to deliver us into the hand of the Amorites, to destroy us? Would to God we had been content, and dwelt on the other side of the Jordan!

        Numbers 1620-22 And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, saying, 21 Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment. 22 And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt Thou be wroth with the all of the congregation?

        Numbers 206 And Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they fell upon their faces and the glory of the Lord appeared unto them.

        Matthew 2636-39 Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gesthemane, and saith unto his disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder. 37 And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be very sorrowful and heavy. 38 Then saith he unto them, my soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death; tarry ye here, and watch with me. 39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me nevertheless not as I will, but as Thou Wilt.

        Then the man bowed down and worshipped the Lord. (Genesis, 2426)

        ...So they sang praises with gladness and bowed their heads and worshipped. (2 Chronicles, 2930)

        and I bowed down and worshiped the Lord. I praised the Lord?(Genesis, 244

        .... Then the people bowed down and worshipped...did just what the Lord commanded Moses and Aaron. (Exodus, 1227-2

        and they believed. And when they heard that the Lord was concerned about them and had seen their misery, they bowed down and worshipped. (Exodus, 431)

        and bowed down...three times, with his face to the ground. (1 Samuel, 2041)

        Ezra praised the Lord, the great God; and all the people lifted their hands and responded, "Amen! Amen!" Then they bowed down and worshipped the Lord with their faces to the ground. (Nehemiah, 86)

        Abram bowed with his face touching the ground...(Genesis, 173)

        When Abraham's servant heard what they said, he bowed down to the ground before the Lord. (Genesis, 2452)

        Moses bowed to the ground at once and worshipped. (Exodus, 34

        When Moses heard this, he fell facedown. (Numbers, 164)

        the oracle of one who hears the words of God, who sees a vision from the Almighty, who falls prostrate, and whose eyes are opened. (Numbers, 244)

        Then Joshua bowed to the ground in reverence...(Joshua, 514)

        When all the people saw this, they fell prostrate and cried, "The Lord?He is God! The Lord?He is God!"(1 Kings, 1839)

        when I bow down in the temple...may the Lord forgive your servant for this. (2 Kings, 51

        they bowed low and fell prostrate before the Lord. (1 Chronicles, 2920)

        they knelt on the pavement with their faces to the ground, and they worshipped and gave thanks to the Lord...(2 Chronicles, 73)

        ... the king and everyone present with him knelt down and worshipped... ordered... to praise the Lord. So they sang praises with gladness and bowed their heads and worshipped. (2 Chronicles, 2929-30)

        Then he fell to the ground in worship and said ?Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked I will depart. The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away; may the name of the Lord be praised.? (Job, 120-21)

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          Guys just wanted to thank you for the excellent discussion.

          Samia, I think this sums up your argument

          So, why do we wrongly pronounce "masjid" instead of "masjad" ?
          Back to your question because when we correctly pronounce it, we will not be obliged to believe that "masjad" is a place or a building. We can even come to understand it as a verbal noun, with a similar meaning to "sujuud", but without any time limit.

          So you're saying that the meaning of the word masjad implies no time limit, as in "a place of sujood", and that the jaami3 has been purposely called masjid to stop people from taking away that meaning?

          Are you referring here to this?

          I did not say masjid is a noun of time. I believe it is an initial-m- verbal noun

          What implications does this have on the meaning of masjid? If you don't believe it is a noun of place, and thus a building, then what do you believe? I don't think you've explicitly stated that yet.

          Mazhar brought up the following example

          Is there any context where it could be considered as Noun of Time, as suggested by Wakas?

          Until now I've been relatively comfortable with the understanding of Masjid al-Haraam as a mosque in Mecca.

          But now that I think of it, if we take al-masjid al-haraam to be something akin to "the sacred sujood", an analogy for prayer, then these verses make more sense

          So instead of interpreting it as "wherever you are, turn towards mecca "

          We can understand it as "we have seen you yearning after different ideals, so we shall turn your heart towards something that will please it - so keep your bearing always towards the next masjid al-haraam" ie. keep in mind always the next salah, or meeting with God.

          I'm just throwing around ideas here... your conversation on masjid and masjad has raised the possibility for me that although it isn't a dharf zamaan (noun of time), it is also not a dharf makaan (noun of place)

          This entire thread seems to have moved away from the meaning of sujood to the meaning of masjid. Although I still hold fast to the belief that the meaning of sujood includes a physical movement to the ground accompanied with all the mental implications of humbling oneself before god

          EDIT just happened upon this verse whilst testing my idea

          ...

          This seems to me to be quite obviously referring to a building

          فَاسْتَبِقُوا الْخَيْرَاتِ
          So strive as in a race in all virtues! 5:48

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            Samia
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            Salaam Bigmo

            You are just literally translating Arabic expressions into a different language and thus emptying them of their real meaning.
            (48 29) Are you alluding at the "zabiba"? If so, why wouldn't the prophet be able to recognize the hypocrites if it was so obvious?

            Certain of the desert Arabs round about you are hypocrites, as well as (desert Arabs) among the Medina folk they are obstinate in hypocrisy thou knowest them not We know them twice shall We punish them and in addition shall they be sent to a grievous penalty. (9101).

            As for translations from the Gospel, I always tend to not tread there. These are translations that reflect the understanding of whoever translated them, same problem with translations of the qur'aan. At least I can read the original language of the qur'aan.
            Moreover, you bring a completely different verb which is "bow". This is neither "prostrate" nor "kneel ", and is not mentioned in the qur'aan, although it has miraculously been inserted in the "salaat".
            Imagine that someone translates the sentence "They bowed to the Kings orders" into " ". Would you understand that this is all they did? Would you imagine that the King declared some order and everyone lowered their head wherever they were and went on with their affairs? Why take it literally with God's instructions?

            Body movements are only expressions of higher meanings, and they are not universal. Each culture has different meanings of these movements. African in general bow their heads when authority speaks to them. Police in the UK were specifically instructed in this because they translated this movement as a sign of not telling the truth according to the Western culture.

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              Samia
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              Guys just wanted to thank you for the excellent discussion.

              Samia, I think this sums up your argument

              So you're saying that the meaning of the word masjad implies no time limit, as in "a place of sujood", and that the jaami3 has been purposely called masjid to stop people from taking away that meaning?

              Are you referring here to this?

              Thanks for taking the effort to respond to my post/s

              No. I am not discussing "salaat".
              I do not even believe that people are instructed to pray together in a location except for the communal prayer. On the contrary, they are instructed to pray in their homes without being interrupted even by their own household

              (24 5.

              What implications does this have on the meaning of masjid? If you don't believe it is a noun of place, and thus a building, then what do you believe? I don't think you've explicitly stated that yet.

              You understand noun of place and noun of time. I presume you also understand the masdar mimi (verbal pronoun with initial M). Sjd originally means to obey or yield. Different situations or cultures have signs to deliver this meaning. An army would not prostrate their faces to the ground but would wave a white flag. But we cannot say (white flag means to yield). In some areas of Sudan in the past a white flag on a house meant (we sell alcohol).
              A building can be constructed to carry out God's instructions like legislation chambres. This will be an extension to the meaning of msjd into a noun of place. The message of God carried by all messengers is the obedience of what He made unlawful (6 151-153) which is nothing other than the Straight Path. Ironically, Muslims go to the mosque five times a day, making at least 17 rak3aas in each of which they recite (Guide us to the Straight Path) seventeen times a day, but they do not know what this Straight Path is exactly. All they care about is how to stand, where to put their hands and how many beautiful places to construct in which to perform these movements. This obedience of the Straight Path should be the focus of the community and the individuals, wherever they are, and at any time, no matter what they are doing, hence the command

              (2 144, 150).

              In verse 2 144 we also read

              Who was the other messenger who looked up searching for answers? It was Ibrahim. He is the messenger who established the islam, which is nothing but the obedience of what God made unlawful. In other words, the Straight Path

              (6 161).

              This should be our focus/ qibla wherever we are whenever we be, not facing a meaningless building from time to time.
              And "haraam" all over the qur'aan means "forbidden", never "sacred". "Sacred" has its own word.
              What is the use of a "forbidden" building?

              EDIT just happened upon this verse whilst testing my idea

              ...

              This seems to me to be quite obviously referring to a building

              There is nothing here that gives further support to your understanding.
              The first command of the Straight Path, otherwise known as the Ten Commandments, is to (not set associates with God). Whether msjd means obedience or legislation chambers, this command is valid. Actually it is valid everywhere, not just in a msjd. So it should not be exclusive to msjd even in your understanding of this word.
              "kharaab chaos/ destruction" does no affect buildings only. Actually destruction of a building will happen by many other natural factors. Only Morals and Law are destructed by disobedience of God's Commandments. In fact all mosques mention hadiths and names of Scholars and their opinions and fatwas/ legislation. No msjd was destroyed.
              However, making lawful any thing God made unlawful in the Straight Path will bring about chaos and fall of societies.
              Enter Not necessarily a building

              (2 20

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                ths
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                Salaam Samia, thanks for the reply, and sorry for the delayed response. I'm working 10-11 hours every day so it usually takes me a few days to get back to people now

                No. I am not discussing "salaat".
                I do not even believe that people are instructed to pray together in a location except for the communal prayer. On the contrary, they are instructed to pray in their homes without being interrupted even by their own household...

                What you say is technically correct, but it doesn't work in practice. Having many places of prayer is a practical necessity, a logical conclusion of the instruction to pray.
                For example, I used to work in an office in the middle east. There was a small corner, 3 meters by 3 meters next to the elevator, and that was the designated prayer spot. When the time for each prayer began, everyone congregated there to pray. It wouldn't make any sense for us to all go back home to do it, and the nearest mosque was a distance away. It also wouldn't have made sense for everyone to congregate to that spot at the same time and then pray alone.
                So communal prayer is a fact of life because we tend to not spend much time at home in this age.
                Also, no one was forced to join. Sometimes you would have something important to do, so you would skip the congregational prayer and just do it alone a bit later. Even if everyone prayed alone, we would still need places of worship all around cities for people to do so at the correct timings, dawn, sunset, etc.
                Islam is also an incredibly community-focused religion - possibly more so than any other religion. The Quran in my opinion places great concern on the destruction of social boundaries such as wealth, status, and race. So whilst you are right, we are instructed to pray at home, I think that communal prayer is an important aspect, as evidenced by the yawm-l-jum3a, and that mosques and places of worship then become a logical necessity.

                Sjd originally means to obey or yield. Different situations or cultures have signs to deliver this meaning. An army would not prostrate their faces to the ground but would wave a white flag. But we cannot say (white flag means to yield). In some areas of Sudan in the past a white flag on a house meant (we sell alcohol).
                A building can be constructed to carry out God's instructions like legislation chambres. This will be an extension to the meaning of msjd into a noun of place.

                Yes, Sujood means yielding and obeying. However, I'd argue that the prostration is a universal sign of yielding and obeying. The ancient egyptians did it, and it has been done in various cultures in the past. In fact, I can't think of any culture where prostrating one's head to the ground could be interpreted in any way other than submission.

                http//wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1788/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1788-1584.jpgAncient Egyptian prostration. This is replete in ancient egyptian imagery

                http//www.salvemariaregina.info/SalveMariaRegina/SMR-162/Christmas%20Prostration.jpgChristian Monks prostrating

                http//www.thesacredseduction.com/wp-content/uploads/1431/10/images.jpegMore Christian prostration

                http//yoga108.org/images/blog/2006/prostrated_monk.jpgBuddhist monk prostrating. The standing position in Buddhist prayer includes the words "I take refuge in the Buddha".

                http//www.sfyoga.com/images/prostration.jpgHindu Prostration

                http//www.answering-christianity.com/jews-2.jpgJewish prostration

                http//yemitom.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/a-man-greeting-a-yoruba-king-oba1.jpgAfrican Yoruba man prostrating before tribal leader

                One may always argue that this isn't a sign of anything, and that all these cultures have been copying each other.
                However, I would argue that it is evidence of God's claim that he sent messengers to every nation. How else can you explain prostration in Japan to Samurai leaders, Buddhists saying "I take refuge in the Buddha" when they start their prayers, and most of all prostration amongst native american cultures, completely isolated from the rest of the world??

                Secondly, I also believe there is evidence in the Quran itself that prostration is intended with the head placed on the ground. I don't think it is a coincidence that the verb kharra is used in accordance with sujood. See verses 1958, 3215, and 17109.

                A building can be constructed to carry out God's instructions like legislation chambres. This will be an extension to the meaning of msjd into a noun of place. The message of God carried by all messengers is the obedience of what He made unlawful (6 151-153) which is nothing other than the Straight Path.

                Ok, some questions.
                What exactly happens in these legislation chambers? Are they like a court of law?
                Does congregational prayer also happen in them?
                How do you explain that such buildings do not exist today in Islamic countries?
                Is there evidence that they have ever existed?

                And why give an extension to the meaning of masjid into a noun of place, when you have been arguing that masjid isn't a noun of place and therefore should not be interpreted as a building? Sorry but I'm confused

                Ironically, Muslims go to the mosque five times a day, making at least 17 rak3aas in each of which they recite (Guide us to the Straight Path) seventeen times a day, but they do not know what this Straight Path is exactly. All they care about is how to stand, where to put their hands and how many beautiful places to construct in which to perform these movements.

                I think this is your own personal judgement. Yes, a lot of people are overly consumed with trivialities, but then again, many aren't. I wouldn't make a judgement as to the sincerity of people who make salah the traditional way, that's up to God.

                This obedience of the Straight Path should be the focus of the community and the individuals, wherever they are, and at any time, no matter what they are doing...

                Then why suggest a building for this exact purpose?

                This should be our focus/ qibla wherever we are whenever we be, not facing a meaningless building from time to time.
                And "haraam" all over the qur'aan means "forbidden", never "sacred". "Sacred" has its own word.
                What is the use of a "forbidden" building?

                I think it's possible that you are taking haraam too literally. I thought about this before and just interpreted it as the logical conclusion of the word forbidden. As in, the masjid is an area where the haraam is always remembered and reminded - therefore it becomes sacred.

                You're interpretation makes more sense though. It's really interesting and I have to think about it more before I make up my mind.

                There is nothing here that gives further support to your understanding...

                Yeah, you make good points. The reason I said it seemed to be clearly discussing an actual building is because of "an yadhkuru feehaa ismuhu" (that his name is remembered in it), and because of the second part ma kaana lahum an yadkhuluuhaa illaa khaa2ifeen (it is not for them to enter it except in fear).

                Now that I look at it more carefully, it says "an yadkhuluuhaa". Singular. However, i'm still not sure how to translate this part if it's not talking about buildings. How are these people entering the masaajid in fear, if they are helping to ruin it?

                Over all I think your argument for masjid al haraam is excellent. I think that we disagree on salah slightly, and on whether sujood contains a physical component of prostration.

                I would say that I'm slowly coming round to your argument about masjid. I still interpret sujood the same way, but I'm open to the idea that masjid may be something else, as the basic meaning of sujood is submission or obedience.

                I haven't read anything about grammar since middle school, so I have to research it more, but wikipedia says this about the masdar meemi

                . .

                It also gives the example (&#1614 .

                Instinctively, i get the feeling that the masdar meemi implies possession. Whilst sujood is an abstract term, masjid then becomes the sujood of someone, like the example nahaja is the abstract and manhaj is the nahaja of Omar.

                Looking at masjid now with a new eye, I see a lot of possibilities

                The usage of 3inda is odd. It should say "in" the masjid, if it were talking of a building, and not "at".
                The second verse was translated by Muhammad Asad as Beautify yourselves' for every act of worship

                Then again we get verses like 1821 that throws everything into confusion again...

                I think I need to go through all the occurrences of masjid and really study this. But right now I'm tempted to translate sujood as I have before, and masjid as something like "act of worship" or "act of obedience".

                So masjid al haraam would be the act of submission to what has been forbidden
                And that interpretation fits rather well with 2144, saying that we should turn our faces, or keep our bearing towards the obedience of what has been forbidden.

                Sorry for the long post

                فَاسْتَبِقُوا الْخَيْرَاتِ
                So strive as in a race in all virtues! 5:48

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                  The usage of 3inda is odd. It should say "in" the masjid, if it were talking of a building, and not "at".
                  The second verse was translated by Muhammad Asad as Beautify yourselves' for every act of worship

                  Salaam ths,

                  Since long I am wondering why is used in 729 and 731 but has no clue yet . Besides this there is "in the masjid" available in AlQuraan.

                  2114

                  9108

                  May Allah guide us all to His true path pr
                  Mohammed M. Khan

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                    Mazhar
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                    Sister Samia may be able and like to throw light that this verb cannot be used without a preposition for something abstract. It is used without preposition only for places/physcial existing structure, location.

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                      peace all,

                      New mini-article The Quran and 2196 - a lesson in critical thinking

                      http//www.islam-and-muslims.com/articles/Quran-2196-critical-thinking.html

                      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                        Salaam ths

                        Sorry for the late reply.
                        I just have one question about all these photos
                        Who are these people prostrating for? And where's the person, or the symbol of that person or god situated?

                        The answer is that they prostrate to a king or a statute representing their god situated in front of them.
                        So, to whom are Muslims prostrating? Is the kaaba our symbol of God, just like the cross to Christians and the Buddha to the Buddhist? What if I prostrate to another direction? Where did God say He is represented by anything or even asked us to prostrate towards the Kaaba?
                        In this case you cannot use the symbol of obedience (prostration) instead of the original meaning of the word which is "obedience", because "prostration" has its rules that do not fit with what God means to us.

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                          Sister Samia may be able and like to throw light that this verb cannot be used without a preposition for something abstract. It is used without preposition only for places/physcial existing structure, location.

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                            peace all,

                            peace all,

                            New mini-article The Quran and 2196 - a lesson in critical thinking

                            http//www.islam-and-muslims.com/articles/Quran-2196-critical-thinking.html

                            I just realised, if my study is correct, then 2196 is the first verse you should check to see if your view of hajj/umrah/al masjid al haram etc etc actually works.

                            If it fits, based on the filters I have laid out, then you are very likely onto something. If not, you may have to go back to the drawing board.

                            Interestingly, no-one thus far has posted any alternative that works, based on my filters. I posted this in several places. I know alternative views exist, but how many work? I at least expected some to claim such a thing, but no claim from those holding the traditonalist position nor unorthodox alternatives. Zero.

                            Oh well. Admittedly, 2196 is a highly intricate verse, and in my view, will no doubt serve to smash many incorrect understandings.

                            Those who listen to what is being said, then follow the best of it.
                            These are the ones God has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence.

                            All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                              1315

                              Filter concept of Wakas

                              Can one accept the following translations as the statement of fact mentioned in the Arabic Text of above Ayah? Four billion people, perhaps including the author of thread, do not prostrate to Allah. This is ground reality. How can these translations, contradictory to fact on ground, be accepted and relied upon for authoring articles?

                              Sahih International And to Allah prostrates whoever is within the heavens and the earth, willingly or by compulsion, and their shadows in the mornings and the afternoons.
                              Pickthall And unto Allah falleth prostrate whosoever is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly, as do their shadows in the morning and the evening hours.
                              Yusuf Ali Whatever beings there are in the heavens and the earth do prostrate themselves to Allah (Acknowledging subjection),- with good-will or in spite of themselves so do their shadows in the morning and evenings.
                              Shakir And whoever is in the heavens and the earth makes obeisance to Allah only, willingly and unwillingly, and their shadows too at morn and eve.
                              Muhammad Sarwar All in the heavens and the earth prostrate themselves before God, either of their own free will or by force, just as do their shadows in the mornings and evenings.
                              Mohsin Khan And unto Allah (Alone) falls in prostration whoever is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly, and so do their shadows in the mornings and in the afternoons.
                              Arberry To God bow all who are in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly, as do their shadows also in the mornings and the evenings.
                              Progressive Muslims And to God prostrate all who are in the heavens and the Earth, willingly and unwillingly, as do their shadows in the morning and the evening.
                              Rashad Khalifa To God prostrates everyone in the heavens and the earth, willingly and unwillingly, as do their shadows in the mornings and the evenings.

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                                  Of course peace

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                                    peace all,

                                    Part 2 of the study discussing the term "masjid" in Quran, click below

                                    What is the meaning of maSJiD according to The Quran? Time will tell

                                    It was originally meant to discuss "al masjid al haram" and "al masjid al aqsa" as well, but due to life and laziness I have been delayed, so I thought I'd make that into a part 3, and post what I have so far. Nothing of great significance but an analysis nonetheless.

                                    Background Part 1

                                    All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                      This may also help since all Ayah are quoted in original text on the same page alongwith quotes of the Classical Lexicons plus Lanes.

                                      Root Affectionate surrender of one's will and freedom/liberty-Forehead on the ground.

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                                        Thanks for the link bro Mazhar. I assume you regard "masjid" to mean "mosque" going by your article, however I did not see 1821 nor 2187 analysed, which are the most problematic thus far, for that view.

                                        If you have analysed them, please link me to it. Thanks.

                                        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                          Peace, brother Wakas,

                                          29 occurrences with different spellings are counted under this

                                          1. Sublime and sincere Prostration of human beings-Bowing and curving to lay the forehead on the Earth denoting absolute surrender and sublime adoration.

                                          We now move forward, from the entire created Realm to Human being for whom all that was created which exists in the Skies and the Earth . Moreover, the Human Being was the one who was considered worthy of the basic and initial meanings of the Word -an act-a gesture of recognizing and paying respect and obeisance by the already existing created species Angels and Jinn represented by Ieb'lees.

                                          However, at this stage we must keep in mind that the basic meanings of a Root and word do not exhaust when they are used in a different semantic field, relational area, while necessarily retaining the base meanings. This phenomenon is particular to the words which are other than those coined to denote and identify a specific tangible object, or person, i.e. substantive nouns. Actions and gestures, bodily actions or body language has various levels of intensity, depth, magnitude proportionally reflecting the feel and state of heart and mind.

                                          Here in this ultimate semantic field the Glorified and Revered is Allah the Exalted, and the subject of Verb is the Man, meaning "You, the Man, acknowledge in reverence and fear the Glory and Exalted Position of your Sustainer Lord and express it by extreme gesture of placing the forehead on ground".

                                          Consider that who could be more unjust than the one who hindered/forbade the Mosques of Allah, the Exalted that therein the Name of Him should be celebrated, and he strived for the ruining of their sanctity?

                                          The purpose of visiting these locations is the remembrance, verbally orating, celebration of the Name of Allah the Exalted. This is the basic and foremost meanings of the Root, the first step of feel and acknowledgement. Since the Revered is the Mightiest of the mighty, a field of behaviour modification is added in the base meanings, i.e. an element of fear gets added to reverence

                                          They are the people for whom it was not befitting that they should themselves have entered therein except like those who fear Allah, the Exalted.

                                          A location Noun is a derived Noun from Verbal Noun designating a Location where the act is performed by the Active Participles of this Verbal Noun "Sajidoon".

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