heaven and hell being symbolic
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yes I realized that too, we have similar nicknames lol. I'm an older member of the forum but haven't been much active.
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How could something beyond this world be made present by what is part of this world--in its entirety and not in approximation?
Can you say that again.. i don't get it?
born_again try finding the verse
BTW following the divine commands has many benefits you reap what you sow and nothing can beat contentment from the heart.
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well, this is an online forum with supposedly a persistent database, duh, so you can just read it again
anyway, this is no more a cool one-liner but i hope you get what i'm saying
How could something beyond this world ("heaven", "hell" be made present (narrated, illustrated, visualized, explained, exposed, materialized, experienced) by what is part of this world (that is, especially, you and your languages)--in its entirety and not in approximation?
"Contentment from the heart" could be an example of such approximation within ourselves.
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Hi,
I've read some posts supporting this type of belief of heaven or hell. My question If heaven or hell are just some metaphors in the reading then what's the point of following divine commands ? If I'll be nothing after I die like atheists claim, then I'm stupid that I'm still chaste not in some orgy or at some frenzy weed parlay you know knocking myself out. Why do I choose the hard way then ? I could live the way I want. Some people here even claimed that people who are ungrateful (kafirs) are living hell on earth. It's just a state of mind. I bet you they don't ) at least most of them. For instance The Quran speaks of these people who have wealth and are ungrateful advises the prophet "to let them live and enjoy the worldly life" (I don't remember the ayat no.)
You could choose to be in orgies or the like (I know you're just using that as an example) but realize that, THAT is a life of misery. Think of all the diseases you can catch etc. Not to mention the psychological pain you'd suffer. The people who choose this kind of life are almost unanimously miserable on the inside. What looks great on the surface may not yield the best results! 2216 Warfare has been decreed for you while you hate it; and perhaps you may hate something while it is good for you, and perhaps you may love something while it is bad for you; God knows while you do not know
It is the universal law of cause and effect.
I like this quote "That's why they call it a shortcut. If it was easy, it would be the way."
For instance The Quran speaks of these people who have wealth and are ungrateful advises the prophet "to let them live and enjoy the worldly life" (I don't remember the ayat no.)
It's not so black and white i.e. in each and every situation
732 Say "Who has forbidden the nice things that God has brought forth for His servants and the good provisions?" Say "It is for those who believe in this worldly life, and it will be exclusive for them on the day of resurrection" It is such that We explain the revelations for those who know.
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Peace San,
How could something beyond this world be made present by what is part of this world--in its entirety and not in approximation?
By addressing the part of us that is not from this world. This is why the descriptions of heaven and hell are allegorical since they address our imagination.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace San,
Are you saying that the entire heaven and hell is at this moment within your imagination?
Nope. What I am saying is that at the moment our mind can't begin to understand heaven and hell without our imagination.
In the ending we will understand the truth but it will be too late then.
Our imagination will be the fuel of hell.
On the other hand, there will be no imagination in heaven. You won't need it.
Peace,
Ayman
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OOT; at first I thought you're BornAgain (from Sydney) then I realized this is a different person -\
OOT as well. For a split second I frowned and wondered, "When on earth did I post this thread?". Then realised it was different person. Well, I know I have a werewolf tendency and my name's gotta do with the moon, but no, I am not a werewolf points at born_again's avatar. Yet.
And back on the topic, I personally believe that hell and heaven exists, but not in the form that most people imagine. For me, hell does not neccessarily mean, or is limited, to physical torture (burning fire, scorching heat, black smoke). The worldly imagery is used to help people grasp a tiny bit of the concept of hell, because it is a concept beyond imagination. Same goes with heaven. It's a place, or a state of being, where only good exists. Whether it has gorgeous men serving me a platter of fresh fruits or giving me a thai relaxation massage with aromatic oil ( ), it doesn't really concern me. It helps me envision a fraction of how good heaven can be, but I believe it is beyond that.
That being said, why not try create heaven and abolish hell on earth? And see how good that feels ).
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An approximation that serves as a "reminder".
Thanks for the echo.
Personally i'd say that i am aware of things that i don't know/understand and am happy to accept such unknowns as a mystery yet to be uncovered. (It's not like i'm under the pressure to understand and to claim to have the answer to everything at this moment)
You guys sound like you belong in a buddhist temple. Do I see what I look at or do I look at what I see? hmm group
Zen, Emil, rejoice in the presence, be still as the water and do nothing...
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Our imagination will be the fuel of hell.
On the other hand, there will be no imagination in heaven. You won't need it.
Beautiful sentences