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-=[ What is AlKitaab - 15 Q&As ]=-

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    Mazhar
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    Salam, Jack,

    From quoted thread

    It's interesting to note
    -That Al kitab is never plural, not once.
    -There's no 'hadha al kitab' 'this al kitab '.
    -There IS 'hadha kitab' i.e. this book. -There is 'hadha al hadeeth' i.e. this hadeeth. But no 'hadha hadeeth'.
    -1037, Al quran details Al kitab. Al quran details itself?!

    Al kitab involves the workings of the universes and depending on context human nature/ our 'record'.

    For read pl see 1049

    Blue is also incorrect, since the word Book is definite with possessive phrase in 4529.

    The confusion will be over if we read about the definite article "al" and its usage.

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      mmkhan
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      For read pl see 1049

      Blue is also incorrect, since the word Book is definite with possessive phrase in 4529.

      The confusion will be over if we read about the definite article "al" and its usage.

      Can you please clarify why you quoted 1049? I did not find anything related in it.

      And in blue part above, he said

      "-There IS 'hadha kitab' i.e. this book. -There is 'hadha al hadeeth' i.e. this hadeeth. But no 'hadha hadeeth'."

      You will find "Kitaab" with the word "Haadha or haaza" but you will not find "AlKitaab" with "Haadha" and similarly with hadeeth, you may find "AlHadeeth" with the word "Haadha" but there is no "Hadeeth" with "Haadha". So, what is in 4529, he said the same thing.

      BTW, "Haadha AlKitaab" is used only once in AlQuraan, but that is about hereafter 1849

      Mohammed M. Khan

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        Mazhar
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        Can you please clarify why you quoted 1049? I did not find anything related in it.

        And in blue part above, he said
        You will find "Kitaab" with the word "Haadha or haaza" but you will not find "AlKitaab" with "Haadha" and similarly with hadeeth, you may find "AlHadeeth" with the word "Haadha" but there is no "Hadeeth" with "Haadha". So, what is in 4529, he said the same thing.

        BTW, "Haadha AlKitaab" is used only once in AlQuraan, but that is about hereafter 1849

        Mohammed M. Khan

        Pl read your own post, answer is therein.

        "Haadha kitab" and "Haadha Kitabuna" are two different things. One is indefinite while the other is definite denoting Alkitab.

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          Mushu
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          Why couldn't 'a kitab' be referring to al quran? I also think this provides further credence to the theory that The Quran was written down as it was being "revealed", thus already in book form. Contextually, It must be referring to The quran, e.g. 416

          Some brief notes regarding al kitab

          http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16510.msg164751#msg164751

          Thanks for the link. I agree and think this verse is talking about the quran but what threw me was the missing 'al'.

          I know I ask this a lot, but did you ever expand on what you said in that link. Like a write-up? D

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            Jack
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            haha I expanded it on a bit more here http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16378.0 (not to feed the trolls and such)

            In short, al kitab to me refers to one of two things, depending on context a) 'the book'; the divine writ; or in pragmatic means, great knowledge of the universe, a maester of sorts or
            b) 'the record'

            OT I know I ask this a lot, but when can we expect your (a)theist theorem? Chop, chop, my son.

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              liomath
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              Brothers, Is it possible "ahlil ketatb" have other meanings?

              Thank you

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                mmkhan
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                Brothers, Is it possible "ahlil ketatb" have other meanings?

                Thank you

                "Ahlil ketatb" is different that "Al Kitaab".

                Mohammed M. Khan

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                  TheBookAlone
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                  my understanding is that al kitab is "The Record" and al quran is "The Reading" of the record.

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                    Patanahi
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                    I haven't studied the term Al-Muttaqeen. But yes, it seems like Al-Muttaqeen are the specialists, scientists etc.

                    Regarding the term Al-Muttaqeen (in the context of other words used in Quran like Taqwa, Ittaqu, Atqaqum, etc), isn't it referring to the people who practice Taqwa in their life to achieve the status of Al-Muttaqeen? Should we not refer to the literal arabic translation of Taqwa, Muttaqeen, etc to find out that Al-Kitab is guidance (Hidaya) for those who practice Taqwa?

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                      mmkhan
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                      my understanding is that al kitab is "The Record" and al quran is "The Reading" of the record.

                      If you translate literally the word AlKitaab as you did for AlQuraan, you will find the exact meaning.

                      Al = The
                      Quraan = Reading
                      Kitaab = Book / Writing

                      May Allah guide us all to His true path pr
                      Mohammed M. Khan

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