"Badr" in this thread I'd like to ask you some questions that come to my mind!
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Peace "Badr",
JK- Ok then it's fine but do ask some of the "scholars" in your surrounding and ask them whether such is possible i.e. two rasool at the same time because I've heard from a scholar that it is not because we can't have two shariats at the same time. NOW for my next question
- You said above every Rasool is a Nabi but not every Nabi is a Rasool, thus by definition making Nabi the common term and Rasool the specific. NOW by that very definition, if the Quran were making a statement(s) like "some nabis/rasools We have mentioned whilst others We have not mentioned", provided that if in ALL CASES of such a statement occurring, ONLY ONE of the two terms is used consistently, WHICH term should logically be found in there, NABI or RASOOL, and why?
GOD Bless!
Both can apply.
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Peace "Badr",
Both can apply.
JK- How is is logical if all such statements exlcusively used say the specific term RASOOL? Wouldn't it make more sense to use NABI going by you're definiton? Lemme give you a non rellgious example. We know that Europeans and Germans are related where every German is a European whilst not every European is a German. Someone writing a book wants to make a statement that not all Westeners in Europe are mentioned in his book. Should he now say "Some Germans I've mentioned whilst others I've not" OR should he say "some Europeans I've mentioned whilst others I've not?
GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
JK- How is is logical if all such statements exlcusively used say the specific term RASOOL? Wouldn't it make more sense to use NABI going by you're definiton? Lemme give you a non rellgious example. We know that Europeans and Germans are related where every German is a European whilst not every European is a German. Someone writing a book wants to make a statement that not all Westeners in Europe are mentioned in his book. Should he now say "Some Germans I've mentioned whilst others I've not" OR should he say "some Europeans I've mentioned whilst others I've not?
GOD Bless!
You said it yourself "majority doesn't make authority". If God wants He can says "some rasool we mentionned while other we didnt" wich is true because he neither mentionned all anbiya nor all rasools in the Quran.
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Peace "Badr"
You said it yourself "majority doesn't make authority". If God wants He can says "some rasool we mentionned while other we didnt" wich is true because he neither mentionned all anbiya nor all rasools in the Quran.
JK- This has nothing to do with majority but about classification of the inspired men of God in this case. If God said "some rasool..." only, then that would lead to confusion, provided your definition of nabi and rasool, because then it could imply that all nabiyeen who're not mursaleen are mentioned in the Quran. Infact think about why Allah mentions this verse at all? It's because most likely otherwise people would think the Quran as the last and final revelation mentioned all prophets and messengers there ever were. GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
I'll post my third question here now
- We'd both agree that attributes of Allah NOT PRECEDED by "al" can be used for humans and other beings as well. Can Allah 's attributes which are mentioned in the Quran, prefixed with "Al" also be used for humans or any other beings besides Allah?
GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
I'll post my third question here now
- We'd both agree that attributes of Allah NOT PRECEDED by "al" can be used for humans and other beings as well. Can Allah 's attributes which are mentioned in the Quran, prefixed with "Al" also be used for humans or any other beings besides Allah?
GOD Bless!
Yes, Al Hakeem, the wise for the Quran and for Luqman.
Al Malik has also been said for the king in the surat of Yusuf.
Also in the same surat Al Aziz (the wife of Al Aziz)
The difference is in the sense of god these attributes become the Most ..... but in arabic it's the same.
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Peace "Badr"
Yes, Al Hakeem, the wise for the Quran and for Luqman.
Al Malik has also been said for the king in the surat of Yusuf.
Also in the same surat Al Aziz (the wife of Al Aziz)
The difference is in the sense of god these attributes become the Most ..... but in arabic it's the same.
JK- So then why do I hear from so many sunnis that "no, no with "al" it implies "the most" and hence this can never happen" and some even went to the extent calling it shirk? So you admit there is no "most" in arabic. Hence there is no need to trick people into believing the "al" makes it into something special there which the ones who don't know Arabic will think. NEXT question
- You will find in the Quran special adjective like phrases like "malakan rasoolan(angel messenger)", "siddiqan nabiyan(saint prophet)" and "basharan rassolan(human messenger)" ALWAYS in that same order. If you'd agree with me that not every angel is a messenger, not every saint is a prophet, not every human is a messenger and and also you said earlier that not every Nabi is a Rasool THEN in order for consistency, if Allah used the terms nabi and rasool in the same conjoined adjective form as the three aforementioned terms, in what order should we logically find them?
GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr"
JK- So then why do I hear from so many sunnis that "no, no with "al" it implies "the most" and hence this can never happen" and some even went to the extent calling it shirk? So you admit there is no "most" in arabic. Hence there is no need to trick people into believing the "al" makes it into something special there which the ones who don't know Arabic will think. NEXT question
- You will find in the Quran special adjective like phrases like "malakan rasoolan(angel messenger)", "siddiqan nabiyan(saint prophet)" and "basharan rassolan(human messenger)" ALWAYS in that same order. If you'd agree with me that not every angel is a messenger, not every saint is a prophet, not every human is a messenger and and also you said earlier that not every Nabi is a Rasool THEN in order for consistency, if Allah used the terms nabi and rasool in the same conjoined adjective form as the three aforementioned terms, in what order should we logically find them?
GOD Bless!
Nabiyan rasulan of course.
What do I win in the end of the test ? ;D
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Peace "Badr",
JK- Correct. "UNFORTUNATELY" we NEVER find "nabiyan rasoolan" in the Quran but the OPPOSITE "rasoolan nabiyan". What do you say now? GOD Bless!
I say that you are incredibly ahead of your time -\ what am I supposed to understand ? God says what He want and He must be right.
It reminds me of surat Al Feel (the elephant) ; all the verses end with "eel" except the last one, it end with "ool" even that "eel" is a very easy rhyme He Easily could have put a word with "eel" but no ! Yall goin to be taken by surprise ;D
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Peace "Badr",
I say that you are incredibly ahead of your time -\ what am I supposed to understand ? God says what He want and He must be right.
It reminds me of surat Al Feel (the elephant) ; all the verses end with "eel" except the last one, it end with "ool" even that "eel" is a very easy rhyme He Easily could have put a word with "eel" but no ! Yall goin to be taken by surprise ;D
JK- Thuis doesn't show the Quran is wrong. Quote the contrary. What it shows is that YOUR DEFINITION OF RASOOL AND NABI AND THAT IF MOST "scholars" IS WRONG. If you combine this fact with the previous fact I pointed out in a question it leaves no doubt that NOT EVERY RASOOL IS A NABI. This perfectly fits with the usage of the Quranic terms. On top of that we have a verse from the Quran stating in PRESENT tense that TO every community IS a messenger
1047 And for every nation there IS a messenger(wa liKULLI UMMATIN RASOOL).
Even if one argues that there is the Ummah of Muhammad, we yet have many other Ummahs in the world. Infact communties continue to arise and fall even now and will probably continue to do so. Thus logically the verse must apply to them too.
That's how when I was a sunni saw that the basic claims of the majority of "scholars" breaks down like a house of cards once I studied the Quran intensively. -
Peace "Badr",
JK- Thuis doesn't show the Quran is wrong. Quote the contrary. What it shows is that YOUR DEFINITION OF RASOOL AND NABI AND THAT IF MOST "scholars" IS WRONG. If you combine this fact with the previous fact I pointed out in a question it leaves no doubt that NOT EVERY RASOOL IS A NABI. This perfectly fits with the usage of the Quranic terms. On top of that we have a verse from the Quran stating in PRESENT tense that TO every community IS a messenger
1047 And for every nation there IS a messenger(wa liKULLI UMMATIN RASOOL).
Even if one argues that there is the Ummah of Muhammad, we yet have many other Ummahs in the world. Infact communties continue to arise and fall even now and will probably continue to do so. Thus logically the verse must apply to them too.
That's how when I was a sunni saw that the basic claims of the majority of "scholars" breaks down like a house of cards once I studied the Quran intensively.Wow o you're takin in too far brother ! do you seriously think scholars didnt noted 1951 and 1954 ?
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Peace "Badr",
Wow you're takin in too far brother ! do you seriously think scholars didnt noted 1951 and 1954 ?
JK- They have looked at them IN ISOLATION, NOT connecting the dots with the other terms I mentioned which are not all in one place. You have to connect the dots to get the big picture. The Quran is built not to mention everything in one place. It leaves off at one and then continues adding detail of the same topic at another location. I beleive only the true seekers would be able to decipher this who don't waste their time on external sources trying to understand the Quran like hadith. NEXT question
- Is muhammad the only one who exclusively receives "sallu/salawaat" from Allah and the angels?
GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
JK- They have looked at them IN ISOLATION, NOT connecting the dots with the other terms I mentioned which are not all in one place. You have to connect the dots to get the big picture. The Quran is built not to mention everything in one place. It leaves off at one and then continues adding detail of the same topic at another location. I beleive only the true seekers would be able to decipher this who don't waste their time on external sources trying to understand the Quran like hadith.
So you must be an incredible researcher to find this while they missed it ? Imagine all the years passed to learn Quran by heart and to study it and to decypher each and every verse for nothing !!! these scholars are really a big waste.
NEXT question
- Is muhammad the only one who exclusively receives "sallu/salawaat" from Allah and the angels?
GOD Bless!
This is a question for a beginner
And when We made a covenant with the children of Israel You shall not serve any but Allah and (you shall do) good to (your) parents, and to the near of kin and to the orphans and the needy, and you shall speak to men good words and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate. Then you turned back except a few of you and (now too) you turn aside.
And certainly Allah made a covenant with the children of Israel, and We raised up among them twelve chieftains; and Allah said Surely I am with you; if you keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and believe in My apostles and asslst them and offer to Allah a goodly gift
And We revealed to Musa and his brother, saying Take for your people houses to abide in Egypt and make your houses places of worship and keep up prayer and give good news to the believers.
And He has made me blessed wherever I may be, and He has enjoined on me prayer and poor-rate so long as I live; (Jesus)
Surely I am Allah, there is no god but , therefore serve Me and keep up prayer for My remembrance (Moses)
My Lord! make me keep up prayer and from my offspring (too), O our Lord, and accept my prayer (Abraham)
Does it answer your question ?
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Peace "Badr",
So you must be an incredible researcher to find this while they missed it ? Imagine all the years passed to learn Quran by heart and to study it and to decypher each and every verse for nothing !!! these scholars are really a big waste.
JK- They are and I mean this as no joke. As long as "scholars" will waste their time with hadith and using hadith to study Quran, they'll never decipher the true beauty within the Quran itself.
This is a question for a beginner
And when We made a covenant with the children of Israel You shall not serve any but Allah and (you shall do) good to (your) parents, and to the near of kin and to the orphans and the needy, and you shall speak to men good words and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate. Then you turned back except a few of you and (now too) you turn aside.
And certainly Allah made a covenant with the children of Israel, and We raised up among them twelve chieftains; and Allah said Surely I am with you; if you keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and believe in My apostles and asslst them and offer to Allah a goodly gift
And We revealed to Musa and his brother, saying Take for your people houses to abide in Egypt and make your houses places of worship and keep up prayer and give good news to the believers.
And He has made me blessed wherever I may be, and He has enjoined on me prayer and poor-rate so long as I live; (Jesus)
Surely I am Allah, there is no god but , therefore serve Me and keep up prayer for My remembrance (Moses)
My Lord! make me keep up prayer and from my offspring (too), O our Lord, and accept my prayer (Abraham)
Does it answer your question ?
JK- Not really beacuse none of these verses talk about GOD and the angels making "sallu 'ala" upon any one of these messengers WHICH is what i asked whetehr Allah and His messenger do "Sallu 'ala" upon anyone else besides Muhammad. GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
JK- They are and I mean this as no joke. As long as "scholars" will waste their time with hadith and using hadith to study Quran, they'll never decipher the true beauty within the Quran itself.
Learn that scholars study the quran first then study the hadith, theres alot more Quran scholars than hadeeth scholars.
JK- Not really beacuse none of these verses talk about GOD and the angels making "sallu 'ala" upon any one of these messengers WHICH is what i asked whetehr Allah and His messenger do "Sallu 'ala" upon anyone else besides Muhammad. GOD Bless!
the english translation is approximative It is He who forgives you and His angels pray for you so that He will take you out of darkness into light. God is All-merciful to the believers.
So everyone !
Hadeeth say whoever says " " once, God and the angels "salli" upon him 10 times and so on (10=100 etc..)
Didnt get the question at first, I thought you asked if Muhammad is the only one commanded to pray.
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Peace "Badr",
Learn that scholars study the quran first then study the hadith, theres alot more Quran scholars than hadeeth scholars.
JK- The ones who study Quran use hadith to undersdtand and/or decipher the Quran. I know of no hadith accepting scholar who does not also decipher the Qurn in light of hadith. They boldly say ONE CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE QURAN without hadith.
So everyone !
Hadeeth say whoever says " " once, God and the angels "salli" upon him 10 times and so on (10=100 etc..)
JK- Ok fine then this means 3356 should be nothing special for the Prophet Muhammad. If you know Urdu you would know that scholars have a special translation for the term "sallu" in there i.e. "durood" to make it sound as that GOD and the angels only do this for Muhammad. NEXT question
- Is Muhammad the only one known as the "best example(uswattun hasnatun) by Allah?
GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
JK- The ones who study Quran use hadith to undersdtand and/or decipher the Quran. I know of no hadith accepting scholar who does not also decipher the Qurn in light of hadith. They boldly say ONE CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE QURAN without hadith.
You forgot your guru Ayman.
JK- Ok fine then this means 3356 should be nothing special for the Prophet Muhammad. If you know Urdu you would know that scholars have a special translation for the term "sallu" in there i.e. "durood" to make it sound as that GOD and the angels only do this for Muhammad. NEXT question
- Is Muhammad the only one known as the "best example(uswattun hasnatun) by Allah?
GOD Bless!
Indeed, there is for you a good example in Ibrahim and those with him when they said to their people
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Peace "Badr",
You forgot your guru Ayman.
JK- Ayman does not use hadith to understand the Quran.
Indeed, there is for you a good example in Ibrahim and those with him when they said to their people
JK- Correct but when I once pointed this out to a MUFTI(one eligible to give a fatwa and hecne a very high degree of scholar) he told me with a straight face "NO ONE other than Muhammad is known as "uswattun hassna" in the Quran". Ask some "scholars" in your region without telling them the verse and see what they'll tell you. NEXT question
- Is Muhammad the best/highrest/most honorable amongst all messengers according to hadith?
GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
JK- Ayman does not use hadith to understand the Quran.
Yes this is what I meant, you do know a scholar/guru that explains the quran not according to hadith.... forget it !
JK- Correct but when I once pointed this out to a MUFTI(one eligible to give a fatwa and hecne a very high degree of scholar) he told me with a straight face "NO ONE other than Muhammad is known as "uswattun hassna" in the Quran". Ask some "scholars" in your region without telling them the verse and see what they'll tell you. NEXT question
- Is Muhammad the best/highrest/most honorable amongst all messengers according to hadith?
GOD Bless!
He probabely is, I barely remember a hadith where he "humbly" pointed someone better than him but I dont remember who. But I'm sure that you are goin to enlight me.
PS when it comes to judgement day ; ( ٍ