Equality of mens.

loxbox13

I never sad anything about terorism suicide an killing innocent people.I know that it is not jihad.
I say about killing in general,what hapens,acording the Quran.When you kill some pagan,in the name of God for example.
And that someone who do such a thing is better in God eyes than someone who is afraid of battle.
And that are we are not equal in eyes of God with brave believers ready to die.It is what it writes in Quran,dont tell me it is not a true.

I never sad anything about terorism suicide an killing innocent people.I know that it is not jihad.
Jihad is not war or battle, it means struggle, for example, when u study to pass your exam and study hard, that is Jihad, it comes from the word Jouhd, meaning your inner force.

I say about killing in general,what hapens,acording the Quran.When you kill some pagan,in the name of God for example.
Why would u kill an inocent pagan who is not trying to kill u ? if u do, the quran is clear, U burn in Hell

And that someone who do such a thing is better in God eyes than someone who is afraid of battle.
What battle ? to defend your family and your dignity ? do u believe that the one who stand up for his right is better or the one who is passif, gave up his right ? ask Bob Marley, he'll answer to that.

And that are we are not equal in eyes of God with brave believers ready to die.It is what it writes in Quran,dont tell me it is not a true.
Jahadou fi sabil allah , doesn't mean go for battle, but they struggle in the way of allah, what is the way of allah ? apply his laws of nature on yourself, that is the way of allah, if u die that way, let's say u get sick and died while u uphold the way of nature , than u dies in the way of allah, u don(t need a spear to pearce your heart to die in the way of allah, all those who uphold rightesouness they dies in the way of allah

afridi220

I never sad anything about terorism suicide an killing innocent people.I know that it is not jihad.
I say about killing in general,what hapens,acording the Quran.When you kill some pagan,in the name of God for example.
And that someone who do such a thing is better in God eyes than someone who is afraid of battle.
And that are we are not equal in eyes of God with brave believers ready to die.It is what it writes in Quran,dont tell me it is not a true.

I think lox box answered you question, you cannot kill any pagan merely because he don?t believe in God you can only kill him if he attack you, it means you can only kill him in self defense or to protect weak peoples who asked your help.
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SarahY

Read this verse

2190 (Asad) AND fight in God's cause against those who wage war against you, but do not commit aggression-for, verily, God does not love aggressors.

it can be problematic if you pick out a verse and try to put an inference without recognising core concepts in The Quran.

IF you are in a war and you fled then of course the one who is fighting for justice is better than the one who does not fight.

it's not all about bravery or dying it's about standing up to justice no one said it's easy and reread 2190 starting wars/fights/aggressions is detested.

unknownuser

I never sad anything about terorism suicide an killing innocent people.I know that it is not jihad.
I say about killing in general,what hapens,acording the Quran.When you kill some pagan,in the name of God for example.
And that someone who do such a thing is better in God eyes than someone who is afraid of battle.
And that are we are not equal in eyes of God with brave believers ready to die.It is what it writes in Quran,dont tell me it is not a true.

To kill someone in the name of the creator is to kill someone in the name of absolute justice. Someone who does so is clearly better than someone who will merely stand back and let oppression take hold.

However to kill someone in the name of something you have named yourself is not the same thing, that is known as "terrorism"/"collateral damage".

Anyway, life is not about the preservation of any individual ego structure, it's about the quality of experience that all living entities have. To die in the way of the creator is merely to acknowledge that your ego is nothing and never was anything to begin with. It is the ultimate submission, the ultimate acknowledgement of one's true eternal self.

Stone

But how Mohamed was spread faith?
Is there any violence at all?

nsws1988

But how Mohamed was spread faith?
Is there any violence at all?

http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/islam-spread-by-sword.htm

How can you force people to believe by being violent towards them? That would just be showing them a bad example.

huruf

It is ridiculous to relate the following of the Prophet with violence. Followers of the Prophet experienced violence against them for a long time. So it was not the Prophet who needed or wanted violence in order to gain adepts. They came to him without bieng pushed, quite the opposite, and of their own will in spite of tremendous odds. Violence was on the part of those who opposed the Prohphet with the intent of preventing people following what he was ordered by God to transmit.

Salaam

Stone

It is ridiculous to relate the following of the Prophet with violence. Followers of the Prophet experienced violence against them for a long time. So it was not the Prophet who needed or wanted violence in order to gain adepts. They came to him without bieng pushed, quite the opposite, and of their own will in spite of tremendous odds. Violence was on the part of those who opposed the Prohphet with the intent of preventing people following what he was ordered by God to transmit.

Salaam

Yea, and prey they shared after battles was in fact not in killing battles with swords no...
It was something else and I do not understand very wall.

1CELOSTNOWFOUND

Peace Stone,

You are mixing two different things in this thread.

There were battles fought by those who accepted and followed the Quran.
Those who accepted and followed the Quran fought battles in order to spread Islam.

These two issues are quite different. The first one is true. This was done in self defense. The second is false because if they did this they would be going the instruction in Quran about when permission is given to fight and this permission is invariably given only in the case of self defense.

Anyone who agrees that the prophet accepted and followed the Quran, cannot make the second statement.

The issue is also not about killing and not killing. If someone attacks you and in the process of defending yourself, you kill them, this is not the same as going out to kill someone if they don't accept what you say.

Please try to understand the difference.

Imraan

huruf

Yea, and prey they shared after battles was in fact not in killing battles with swords no...
It was something else and I do not understand very wall.

I do not understand what you are saying, although I have the impression that what you are driving at is that somebody here tell you what you want to hear, which is not what the Qur'an says, but what you fancy the Qur'an should say to suit your purposes.

Salaam