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    Stone
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    Is every man equal in Gods eyes?
    If I dont fight on Allah way, I am not the same with some who killing and go in war?

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      495 Not equal are those who stayed behind from the believers; except those disabled; with those who strived in the cause of God with their money and lives. God has preferred those who strive with their money and lives over those who stayed behind by a grade; and to both God has promised goodness; and God has preferred those who strived over those who stayed behind by a great reward.

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        There is another verse that says when you go out (for battle) let a group remain so they can study/educate/remind of God's Word, cant recall the verse.

        But basically, not every person is equal, the most noble is the person with the most taqwa.

        taqwa = forethoughtful / God-concious

        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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          For nobody is somebody who is ready to die for the sake of his or her ideals the same as somebody who will not sacrifice him or herself for that cause. That is very obvious, I think. We are all very good at words, putting one's life where one's mouth is in another league and I do not see how that can be misunderstood. It is the difference between real conviction and mere mental agreement.

          Salaam

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            Is "striving in the cause of God", about killing and war?

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              Stone
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              Is "striving in the cause of God", about killing and war?

              Yes,I think it is.That is why my question.We must be ready ti kill in the Gods name?
              We are not quite good like others people ready to die and kill.

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                Wakas
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                Thinking it is may be different to what it actually is.

                A simple concordance check will do.

                If the word JHD is used, then to my surprise when I studied it, there is only one occurrence that talks of a great striving

                And if We wish, We could send to every town a warner. So do not obey those who deny the truth, and strive against them with it (The Quran) in a great striving.

                All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                  Thinking it is may be different to what it actually is.

                  A simple concordance check will do.

                  If the word JHD is used, then to my surprise when I studied it, there is only one occurrence that talks of a great striving

                  And if We wish, We could send to every town a warner. So do not obey those who deny the truth, and strive against them with it (The Quran) in a great striving.

                  Does it mean that Quran did not call to die and kill for Allah?
                  My understanding is that people are not equal on the face of God and that they are split between people who are ready to die and kill on Gods way and the others not ready to doo that.Am I wrong?

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                    Wakas
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                    I assume you have read The Quran?

                    All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                      I assume you have read The Quran?

                      Sure,that is why I am asking.I understand that Allah more likes people ready to die on Allah way.
                      This is no corect?

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                        So,you want to tell me that 495 is not about war,about killing other people and that God more like people which killing in his name?

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                          Why do I have the feeling that you just want us to confirm the opinion you are expression and that you won't take no for an answer. Also you seem to lie a lot on killing. If you fancy killing so much I hope you get something from that feeling, but it is useless to entreat us to it so insistently. One thing is to emp`ril one's life for the sake of justice and the defence of the defenceless, another thing is to make such stock out of killing as you seem to make. Don't count on us for that. Islam is not about killing but about life and submission to the Most Merciful.

                          Salaam

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                            So,you want to tell me that 495 is not about war,about killing other people and that God more like people which killing in his name?

                            Did 494 completely go over your head or are you deliberately ignoring it?

                            Your world view seems to be directly influenced by what the propagandists imagine 'jihad' to be. I recommend reading the Quran with an open-mind, and stop taking verses out of context.

                            Sure,that is why I am asking.I understand that Allah more likes people ready to die on Allah way.
                            This is no corect?

                            No.

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                              Sure,that is why I am asking.I understand that Allah more likes people ready to die on Allah way.
                              This is no corect?

                              I gave you a simple way to determine if "fighting in God's way" means in war and killing etc.

                              I said "Thinking it is may be different to what it actually is. A simple concordance check will do."

                              You have not provided any evidence you actually looked into the usage of the phrase, which underpins your opening statement.

                              I recommend www.StudyQuran.org

                              All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                Did 494 completely go over your head or are you deliberately ignoring it?

                                Your world view seems to be directly influenced by what the propagandists imagine 'jihad' to be. I recommend reading the Quran with an open-mind, and stop taking verses out of context.

                                No.

                                Interesting thing is that every time when someone say "war"and "Quran"he is propagandist and jihad is not that"what they think".It seems there is no word such kill,war,in Quran.

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                                  So,you want to tell me that 495 is not about war,about killing other people and that God more like people which killing in his name?

                                  MUHAMMAD ASAD Such of the believers as remain passive? -.other than the disabled -cannot be deemed equal to those who strive hard in God?s cause with their possessions and their lives? God has exalted those who strive hard with their possessions and their lives far above those who remain passive. Although God has promised the ultimate good unto all , yet has God exalted those who strive hard above those who remain passive by a mighty reward

                                  USAGE There doesn?t seem to be a pressing need for this English-friendly form since the Arabic term for a holy warrior, mujahid, has already made it into English in plural forms (mujahideen, mujahedin), along with jihadi, a form more in keeping with Arabic morphology. Jihadist, however, is the preferred form for all writers who are vehemently anti-Arab or anti-Islam.

                                  A quote from M Asad.

                                  Having defined Jihad in the previous article, we can describe a Mujahid as someone who strives to uphold justice, perhaps risking his life in the process. So what do these verses say? They are elevating the status of those who are brave to stand up for truth and justice in the face of oppression. The verses elevate their status over that of those who cowardly hide from defending the rights of others, unless they have a disability, which prevents them from doing so. So the Islam-hater finds no support (for their distorted presentation of Islam) in these verses either. Moreover, the verse supports the interpretation of Jihad as any struggle for the sake of God because it has mentioned those who perform Jihad with their wealth by donating it for a good cause, such as humanitarian organizations. As Muhammad Asad writes about this verse

                                  The term mujahid is derived from the verb jahada, which means ?he struggled? or ?strove hard? or ?exerted himself?, namely, in a good cause and against evil. Consequently, jihad denotes ?striving in the cause of God? in the widest sense of this expression that is to say, it applies not merely to physical warfare (qital) but to any righteous struggle in the moral sense as well (Asad, The Message of the Qur?an)

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                                    I gave you a simple way to determine if "fighting in God's way" means in war and killing etc.

                                    I said "Thinking it is may be different to what it actually is. A simple concordance check will do."

                                    You have not provided any evidence you actually looked into the usage of the phrase, which underpins your opening statement.

                                    I recommend www.StudyQuran.org

                                    Look bro,I believe in God.I dont want to ignore anything,just want to make clear some things...
                                    What I looked in the phrase is maybe what unbelievers say about Quran,but I have problem with this.
                                    When somebody read 495 and you say"It is not about war"O.K I understand but then we have 3169 and what to think?How they die on Allah way?There was no war,there was not killing but they are die.
                                    Was they just talking...calling people in islam?

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                                      MUHAMMAD ASAD Such of the believers as remain passive? -.other than the disabled -cannot be deemed equal to those who strive hard in God?s cause with their possessions and their lives? God has exalted those who strive hard with their possessions and their lives far above those who remain passive. Although God has promised the ultimate good unto all , yet has God exalted those who strive hard above those who remain passive by a mighty reward

                                      USAGE There doesn?t seem to be a pressing need for this English-friendly form since the Arabic term for a holy warrior, mujahid, has already made it into English in plural forms (mujahideen, mujahedin), along with jihadi, a form more in keeping with Arabic morphology. Jihadist, however, is the preferred form for all writers who are vehemently anti-Arab or anti-Islam.

                                      A quote from M Asad.

                                      Having defined Jihad in the previous article, we can describe a Mujahid as someone who strives to uphold justice, perhaps risking his life in the process. So what do these verses say? They are elevating the status of those who are brave to stand up for truth and justice in the face of oppression. The verses elevate their status over that of those who cowardly hide from defending the rights of others, unless they have a disability, which prevents them from doing so. So the Islam-hater finds no support (for their distorted presentation of Islam) in these verses either. Moreover, the verse supports the interpretation of Jihad as any struggle for the sake of God because it has mentioned those who perform Jihad with their wealth by donating it for a good cause, such as humanitarian organizations. As Muhammad Asad writes about this verse

                                      The term mujahid is derived from the verb jahada, which means ?he struggled? or ?strove hard? or ?exerted himself?, namely, in a good cause and against evil. Consequently, jihad denotes ?striving in the cause of God? in the widest sense of this expression that is to say, it applies not merely to physical warfare (qital) but to any righteous struggle in the moral sense as well (Asad, The Message of the Qur?an)

                                      O.K Thank you for this post.
                                      I understand term "Jihad".It is not just war,I know.
                                      But,we must agree,it is and war.What I want to say,jihad is not just a war,but "inter alia"it is and war also.
                                      Or if you dont understand me,is jihad possible without a war?
                                      And finaly,the subject of topic,people in jihad are not equal with people not in jihad,and if jihad is and war it means that are man who is not in war is not equal with man in war.This not complicate to understand.

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                                        O.K Thank you for this post.
                                        I understand term "Jihad".It is not just war,I know.
                                        But,we must agree,it is and war.What I want to say,jihad is not just a war,but "inter alia"it is and war also.
                                        Or if you dont understand me,is jihad possible without a war?
                                        And finaly,the subject of topic,people in jihad are not equal with people not in jihad,and if jihad is and war it means that are man who is not in war is not equal with man in war.This not complicate to understand.

                                        No But yes according to Sunni understanding they call it greater and lesser Jihad.

                                        Here are few verses from Quran about jihad.

                                        It is these (hypocrites) who find fault with such of the believers who give generously in charity, and they find fault with such believers who have nothing to give but their effort, God disdains them, and they will have a painful retribution.

                                        If they strive to make you set up any partners besides Me, then do not obey them. But continue to treat them amicably in this world. You shall follow only the path of those who have sought Me. Ultimately, you all return to Me, then I will inform you of everything you have done.

                                        Who is more evil than one who fabricates lies and attributes them to God, or denies the truth when it comes to him? Is there not a place in Hell for those who deny the truth? As for those who strive in Our cause, We will guide them to Our paths. For God is with the pious.

                                        And if We wish, We could send to every town a warner. So do not obey those who deny the truth, and strive against them with it (The Quran) in a great striving.

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                                          Wakas
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                                          So we have now established "jihad" is not exclusively about war/fighting/killing etc.

                                          Now, all we need to do is compile the verses that talk about who is closest to God etc. Then see what it says.

                                          Have you done that?

                                          All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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