53:15 Did Muhammed go up to heaven?
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What have you understood so for about the Ayat mentioned in your reply 36 regarding bifurcation or punctuation to see that it comprises of two sentences?
I asked you two things
1- What is the relation it has with Sura 53?
2- Where is Mohammed (AS) mentioned in both the aayats that you have quoted?
Please be specific. Hope to get your correct answer this time, inshaAllah.
May Allah guide us all towards the truth pr
Mohammed M. Khan -
Where is Mohammed (AS) mentioned in both the aayats that you have quoted?
Do you think that Muhammad Sas is mentioned in some Ayat only when his name is specifically mentioned therein?
I hope you have not forgotten that we were discussing as to who is in the phrase -
Do you think that Muhammad Sas is mentioned in some Ayat only when his name is specifically mentioned therein?
I hope you have not forgotten that we were discussing as to who is in the phraseIf we see it this way, than mohamed is the most mentionned on the quran
because most of the time, the prophet in addressed directly in the quran
exemple , we sent you......
the reason he is not mentioned is because he's the on addressed in the quran
for exeample, if i speak top u , i'm not gonna say MAZHAR every time I speak to you, but I just speak, but if I want to talk aboit mmkhan , i mention his name everytime I speak about hil, so you will know I'm talking about mmkhan and not someone else.this is the reason, we have to take the quran as speaking directly to us when adressing the prophet, this is what the sunnis don't understand what does it mean Follow the prophet, is his footstep, meaning use the quran as it is adressed to u .
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So from these verses, does that mean he saw the heaven we wil InshaAllah be goin to?
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Do you think that Muhammad Sas is mentioned in some Ayat only when his name is specifically mentioned therein?
I hope you have not forgotten that we were discussing as to who is in the phraseYes, if you scroll back to previous posts you will notice that you mentioned "Saahib" is referring to ONLY Prophet Mohammed (AS) and I asked you how? You are simply playing around a circle.
I know, you cannot answer this, so forget it now. There is NO mention the name of Prophet Mohammed (AS) that means it is NOT only referring to him. Remember! Allah is very very clear and specific about His words, and we don't have to put words into Allah's mouth.
Simpy if Mohammed (AS) name is not there means NOW it is not referring to him.
Thanks for all you replies.
May Allah guide us all towards the truth pr
Mohammed M. Khan -
Salaam Ozi...,
So from these verses, does that mean he saw the heaven we wil InshaAllah be goin to?
If you mean "Heaven" = "Paradise" or else "he" and "no one else" saw the heaven nor paradise till date.
This is what I understand, may Allah forgive me if I am wrong and correct me.
May Allah guide us all to His path. pr
Mohammed M. Khan -
Salaam Ozi...,
If you mean "Heaven" = "Paradise" or else "he" and "no one else" saw the heaven nor paradise till date.
This is what I understand, may Allah forgive me if I am wrong and correct me.
May Allah guide us all to His path. pr
Mohammed M. KhanWho is he who is mentioned herein
Is it that you people controvert with him against that whom he sees?
And indeed he had seen him last time descent downwards
from that Point of the Demarcated Ultimate Boundary/Horizon,
the Paradise/Garden of the Abode is near by it
when the As-Sidarata was being veiling by that which veiled.
The vision neither swerved and nor it over brimmed/diffused.
Indeed he had visually watched from the signs of his Sustainer Lord, the greatest ones.5301-18
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Who is he who is mentioned herein
Is it that you people controvert with him against that whom he sees?
And indeed he had seen him last time descent downwards
from that Point of the Demarcated Ultimate Boundary/Horizon,
the Paradise/Garden of the Abode is near by it
when the As-Sidarata was being veiling by that which veiled.
The vision neither swerved and nor it over brimmed/diffused.
Indeed he had visually watched from the signs of his Sustainer Lord, the greatest ones.5301-18
the Paradise/Garden of the Abode is near by it
This verse doesn't say paradise, because paradise iscalled FIRDAWS , but it only says jannat maawa, the garden of abode, could be his house where he lived after hijra, jannah doesn't mean the paradise of the hearafter, because jannah is mentionned many times in the quran as sabaa Sheeba who had jannatan on the righ t and on the leftThere was indeed a sign for Sheba in their dwelling-place Two gardens on the right hand and the left (as who should say) Eat of the provision of your Lord and render thanks to Him. A fair land and an indulgent Lord 3415
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the Paradise/Garden of the Abode is near by it
This verse doesn't say paradise, because paradise iscalled FIRDAWS , but it only says jannat maawa, the garden of abode, could be his house where he lived after hijra, jannah doesn't mean the paradise of the hearafter, because jannah is mentionned many times in the quran as sabaa Sheeba who had jannatan on the righ t and on the leftThere was indeed a sign for Sheba in their dwelling-place Two gardens on the right hand and the left (as who should say) Eat of the provision of your Lord and render thanks to Him. A fair land and an indulgent Lord 3415
"The Garden of Abode" and gardens on right and left of their dwelling is not one and the same thing. Is it not so apparent from your quote? And one does not "descend" from a place at ground level.
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"The Garden of Abode" and gardens on right and left of their dwelling is not one and the same thing. Is it not so apparent from your quote? And one does not "descend" from a place at ground level.
The main thing is maawa, it means the shelter, or living place , paradise, hell or home or any place
Did He not find you an orphan and sheltered you?
what i meant is, it sounds like the garden of the hearafter, the next world, but how can the prophet see the garden of the next world, while this world is still exist ? remember, the earth will be a different earth.
On the day when the earth will be changed to other than the earth, and the heavens (also will be changed) and they will come forth unto Allah, the One, the Almighty 1448
So , it sounds to me more like the house where he dwell in his lifetime
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"The Garden of Abode" and gardens on right and left of their dwelling is not one and the same thing. Is it not so apparent from your quote? And one does not "descend" from a place at ground level.The main thing is maawa, it means the shelter, or living place , paradise, hell or home or any place
Did He not find you an orphan and sheltered you?
what i meant is, it sounds like the garden of the hearafter, the next world, but how can the prophet see the garden of the next world, while this world is still exist ? remember, the earth will be a different earth.
On the day when the earth will be changed to other than the earth, and the heavens (also will be changed) and they will come forth unto Allah, the One, the Almighty 1448
So , it sounds to me more like the house where he dwell in his lifetime
You are perceiving this, red quote, because you are overlooking the context of the said word- hinted by me "And one does not "descend" from a place at ground level".
How can you perceive the aforesaid conclusion from these Arabic quotes?
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So from these verses, does that mean he saw the heaven we wil InshaAllah be goin to?
In fact, 5315 refers to an average garden which surrounded and bordered with trees, rather than Heaven/Paradise of Herafter. We can admit that there is no any mention for Heaven/Paradise in chapter 53. But there is an extraordinary experiment which happened out of the World, also.
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Salaam Mazhar,
I already read your post and I have already responded to it. But seems you like to repeat the same things again and again.
I did not find my answer in the references given. Please make it clear as you claim. Please don't try to twist or add in Allah's word.
May Allah guide us all towards the truth pr
Mohammed M. Khanmmkhan's approach is the right one in my opinion.
Actually, lots of traditionalist interpreters can't feel comfort with chapter 53. Because there are a lot of questions related with it which requiring clear and absolute answers. One of the serious questions is, actually there is NO strong evidence for clarifying that Mohammad is the one who mentioned there.
In my opinion, most important question is 5318. Traditionalist interpreters translate this verse as
"He saw one/some of the greatest signs of his Lord" which is way wrong.
The verse clearly says
"Indeed, he saw THE GREATEST OF THE signs of his Lord" (531
In this case, there should be an answer for "What is The Greatest one?" in particular, but there is no answer by anyone including Mohammad himself. Thus, interpreters and scholars choose "one of the greatest" or "(some of) greatest signs" as translation and covering the uncomfortable truth.
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In my opinion, most important question is 5318. Traditionalist interpreters translate this verse as
"He saw one/some of the greatest signs of his Lord" which is way wrong.
The verse clearly says
"Indeed, he saw THE GREATEST OF THE signs of his Lord" (531
In this case, there should be an answer for "What is The Greatest one?" in particular, but there is no answer by anyone including Mohammad himself. Thus, interpreters and scholars choose "one of the greatest" or "(some of) greatest signs" as translation and covering the uncomfortable truth.
Did you try to know what is the signification of preposition "Min" before passing the above judgment?
And do you know the relationship of various elements of the sentence? Or even do you know the case ending of word "Alkubra"?
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One of the serious questions is, actually there is NO strong evidence for clarifying that Mohammad is the one who mentioned there.
It shows that basics of any language are not being kept in mind what to say of Arabic. Every pronoun denotes and refers to a specific person, in the context.
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Did you try to know what is the signification of preposition "Min" before passing the above judgment?
And do you know the relationship of various elements of the sentence? Or even do you know the case ending of word "Alkubra"?
Yes I did/know. What about you?
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It shows that basics of any language are not being kept in mind what to say of Arabic. Every pronoun denotes and refers to a specific person, in the context.
I'm not about to declining that there is a specific person, actually there is. But we have NO strong evidence for proving that specific person is Mohammad.. is it clear now?
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I'm not about to declining that there is a specific person, actually there is. But we have NO strong evidence for proving that specific person is Mohammad.. is it clear now?
It is like saying that in there is no strong evidence for proving that exodus is included in