Why,Why on earth give your friendly visitors knives tell me?

[Idris]

peace, idolfree

Peace be upon you MZ357,

(53 And the male thief/robber and the female thief/robber, so cut off their (B)'s hands, a reward because (of) what they (B) gathered/acquired , severe exemplary punishment from God, and God (is) glorious/mighty ,wise/judicious .

The above verse indicates cutting of the hand. I am not certain about either verse. Any help you can give me on this would be greatly appreciated. Please give the word for "cut" so I can follow along.

this may help http//www.free-minds.org/articles/quranic/theft.htm this verse is not about cutting off the robber's hand but taking away his/her resources

[unknownuser]

Peace be upon you Idris,

Thank you for directing me back to that article. MZ, please be patient with me and tell me where you disagree with that article Idris presented.

[khalil]

Salaams just had to tell what i think ,might benefit some,

1231

...........she gave each one........a knife............and cut their hands..........

(no where on earth are such things carried out,Gross distortions by the translators.)

I think she gave them a knife for their banquet, which can mean 'A ceremonial dinner honoring a particular guest or occasion. ' In order to ear they'd need cuttlery.

http//dictionary.reference.com/search?q=banquet

I think his appearence was so transcending that they couldn't take thier eyes off of him and weren't looking so they cut thier hands? Although i am not to positive.

hope this helped someway or another.

pz

[unknownuser]

Salaams idris,all,

Safaa=fredom fromtrouble ,content,happiness.
=Reciprocal purity or sincerity of mind,or of love or affection or of brotherly affection.

Marwata=manliness-consisting in abstinance from things unlawfull,or chestity of manners,or abstaining from doing things secretly what you would be ashamed to do openly,and guarding the tongue and shunning impudance.

plus there may be other mistrans -in the said ayat.

Salaams.

[unknownuser]

Salaams idolfree,

538

Qata'a = cut,stop,disable,intercept,interrup,seperat e.t.c

Aidh=support/strength,might/authority.

so if you read the ayat again you will notice cuting off the support(could be finencial) or the thiefs authority is all ,i believe ,Allah has said.

Its like people are doing all over the world but ,i think, not what the saudi authorities are doing.

There isn't a hand in the ayat -again to my knowledge.

Salaams.

[sabo]

Salam,

the question of the thread is

Why,Why on earth give your friendly visitors knives tell me?

the answer to eat food with it. Or do you let your friendly visitors eat food with their fingers? roll

Best regards,
sabo

[unknownuser]

Peace be upon you,

Why didn't they get a fork as well? D

[unknownuser]

Actually there isn't a banquet at all to my understanding

Mutaka'an =Mat (=to draw near)+Ka'an(=one who abstained from something through cowardice)

So the lady actually invited her friends to see joseph -who (if you remember) abstained from her aproaches,earlier,through cowardice or something to that effect.

These are from lanes.

So No Banquet-so they didn't need knives and forks sorry to say.

Salaam idolfree,sabo and Khalil.

[hafeez_kazi]

peace and salam

Dear mz357

God post and good understanding of the Quran

An eye opener for those who blindly believe in the traditional translation.

I am fixing one more wing to your bird (post) to make it a complete bird.

So the king said "Bring ye him unto me." But when the messenger came to him (Joseph) said "Go thou back to thy lord and ask him `WHAT IS THE STATE OF MIND OF THE LADIES who cut their hands?' for my Lord is certainly well aware of their snare." 1250

The question" WHAT IS THE STATE OF MIND OF THE LADIES" surely cannot be asked to those WHO HAVE CUT THEIR HANDS, but to those WHO HAVE LOST THEIR MENTAL BALANCE.

Thanks

[unknownuser]

Salaams hafeez,

pitty ,i hadn't noticed or rather remembered that ayat-Thanks.

Baal = state of mind ,thought,intention,important series affair.

So

".........What was the intention/goings on of the ladies who collapsed/or lost their balance surely my lord of their plot well aware."

I don't think you would mind me putting it together like this.

Thanks.

[hafeez_kazi]

Salam to mz357

WHAT WAS THE EVIL PLOT?

So the king said "Bring ye him unto me." But when the messenger came to him (Joseph) said "Go thou back to thy lord and ask him `WHAT IS THE STATE OF MIND OF THE LADIES who cut their hands?' for my Lord is certainly well aware of their PLOT." 1250

(The King) said (to the women) "WHAT WAS YOUR AFFAIR when you did SEEK TO SEDUCE Yusuf (Joseph)?" The women said "Allah forbid! we knew not of any evil against him.!" The wife of Al-'Aziz said "Now the truth is manifest (to all), IT WAS I WHO SOUGHT TO SEDUCE HIM, and he is surely of the truthful." 1251

He said "This is he (the young man) about whom you did blame me (for his love), and I DID SEEK TO SEDUCE HIM, but he refused. And now IF HE REFUSES TO OBEY MY ORDER, he shall certainly be cast into prison, and will be one of those who are disgraced." 1232

He said"O my Lord! PRISON IS MORE TO MY LACKING than that to WHICH THEY INVITE ME. Unless YOU TURN AWAY THEIR PLOT FROM ME, I will feel inclined towards them and be one (of those who commit sin and deserve blame or those who do deeds) of the ignorants." 1233

So his Lord answered his invocation and TURNED AWAY THEIR PLOT FROM HIM. Verily, He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower. 1234

The evil plot was that THE WOMEN ALSO DID SEEK TO SEDUCE YOUSUF

thanks.

[unknownuser]

Salaams hafeez,
1234 Kaida-hunna

Kaida= to act deceitfully,mischevously,or wickedly/plot/stratagem.

Hunna=It came,or happened,without inconvenience or trouble.
= The thing was pleasent,or productive of enjoyment.

So as you was saying it was a cunning plot the women wanted to have some type of fun.

Salaams.

[khalil]

Actually there isn't a banquet at all to my understanding

Mutaka'an =Mat (=to draw near)+Ka'an(=one who abstained from something through cowardice)

So the lady actually invited her friends to see joseph -who (if you remember) abstained from her aproaches,earlier,through cowardice or something to that effect.

These are from lanes.

So No Banquet-so they didn't need knives and forks sorry to say.

Salaam idolfree,sabo and Khalil.

Good work i do say, your translation makes more sense than the others I've come upon.

Although, I am wondering why Free-Minds stuck with the traditional translation.

I have some questions as well, please bear with me, as I do not speak arabic so my questions might sound rather strange to you.

What happened to the words usually translated as the ones highlighted below

31. So when she heard of their scheming, she sent for them and prepared a banquet for them, and she gave each one of them a knife. And she said ?Come out to them,? so when they saw him they exalted him and cut their hands, and they said ?God be praised, this is not a human, but a blessed Angel!?

The question" WHAT IS THE STATE OF MIND OF THE LADIES" surely cannot be asked to those WHO HAVE CUT THEIR HANDS, but to those WHO HAVE LOST THEIR MENTAL BALANCE.

That makes much more sense as well, good stuff'n.

pz

[unknownuser]

Salaams all,

Khalils Q,

and prepared =Wa A'tadat = and got ready
(Q.d)
---------and got ready for them a banquet/party/gathering/get together/show and she came ,every one of them settled and said come out........

Salaams.

[sabo]

Salaam,

Why didn't they get a fork as well?

Well there are many kinds of food which you can eat using a knife only P

Best regards,
sabo

[unknownuser]

Peace be upon you all,

I am trying to follow along because I think you guys are onto something, please bear with me.

Is the word for "hands" in this verse? (1231)

What does the phrase "waqattaAAna aydiyahunna " mean literally? I understand the implied meaning, I am looking to see what it literally says.

[khalil]

Salaams all,

Khalils Q,

and prepared =Wa A'tadat = and got ready
(Q.d)
---------and got ready for them a banquet/party/gathering/get together/show and she came ,every one of them settled and said come out........

Salaams.

peace

Thats making sense now, but where abouts did the translators get the word knife from as well as the term cut?

pz

[unknownuser]

Salaams idol,

The word is

Aidh and this is not hand but=strength,authority and couple of other according to lanes.

But

Yadh = hand ,this accurs in a lot of the quranic ayats but nothing to do with cutting.

Your phrase can be written"It cut their strength right from under them". or you can say "they failed in their strengths"

And Br. Khalils q.

Their is no knife but i think it came into play because of the word which means lossing ones strength (when someone is in a type of a shock,or surprise type of thing) or cutting is the same.

Thanks.

[khalil]

Peace mz357

Your help and effort's are appreciated.

pz

[Zlatan]

Peace

Maybe instead of muttakan should be read mutkan lemon or matkan, as i heard from a friend that matkan can mean a piece of meat, a leg or similar...

According to my dic.. verb mataka masdar matk(cutting) can mean to undercut, to cut off;to clip, curtail(wings); to trim(nails)

Temattaka -to swallow

Matk- piece, (the cut off )piece

Mutk lemon

Best wishes, Zlatan