Funny description of us - the hadith rejectors! :)

Someone

Someone,

Dear open up any book about language, and first study therein the basic perception denoted to a Proper name, adjective and participles. The point will become clear.

Thanks for the advice, but if it were that simple we wouldn't have all this mixing.

Now would you please take some of your precious time and give your answer with some explanation, so that I can follow your line of reasoning, if there is any.

Raaajah

aymen

Of course this John Picket is saying nonsense too.

Haven't you heard about the two Koreas? Again, proper names can be anything singular, dual or plural. Haven't you heard about Bahrain (dual) and Aljaza'ir (plural)?!

Seriously? I didn't expected this from a person of your caliber.

Mazhar

Thanks for the advice, but if it were that simple we wouldn't have all this mixing.

Now would you please take some of your precious time and give your answer with some explanation, so that I can follow your line of reasoning, if there is any.

Dear I gave you the most simple tool to understand. I didnt' ask you to go through various theories about Proper Name. I will give you explanation and you will bring another attributive name, as people call 99 names.

There is another thread about Proper Name of Allah.

Ar'Reh'maan Personal Name of Allah
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602143.0

ayman

Seriously? I didn't expected this from a person of your caliber.

What is "this" exactly? My caliber is that I answered you while you can't answer anything I say.

Peace,

Ayman

Someone

Dear I gave you the most simple tool to understand. I didnt' ask you to go through various theories about Proper Name. I will give you explanation and you will bring another attributive name, as people call 99 names.

There is another thread about Proper Name of Allah.

Ar'Reh'maan Personal Name of Allah
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602143.0

Yaa Mazhar,

I gave a second look to your above mentionned post about "Ar'Reh'maan Personal Name of Allah", but I have to say that you seem to have a lot of time to spend on writing such highly educated nonsense, and I still don't know for what reason or hidden agenda.

You give no solid reason as to why you have singled out "arrahmaan" to be the personal name of the creator of everything, meaning that even a chinese guy would have to call his (our)creator by this specific name, if not.... what happens?? this is another question for you that will certainely remain without answer.

Take these 2 attributes VS

Now would you care, or should I say, would you dare to give in a short list your reasons on taking one of them as a personal name of our creator and not the other?

I don't know who you are trying to deceive by your linguistic acrobatics? well besides Rajaaah, who seems to be one of your most unconditionnal and blind-following cheerleader, to the point where he is parroting your most incredible and nonsensible sayings without the least doubt, and better defending them... hail So congratulation for your first follower.

Mazhar

Someone,

Your simple problem is that you wish to perceive the ultimate nicities of a subject and concept without trying to see the basic abc of that subject. You have not yet given a thought to differentiate between personal name and specific descriptive/adjectival name.

Note the difference

The name is the code, which gives the basic cognition of existence and presence of a thing and person. Hence, name is the introduction for apparent/initial recognition of a thing and person. Cognition of the code/name of a thing or person is the elementary/first step in gaining knowledge about the thing or person. Name of a thing or person gives it or him a vivid distinction from all other things and persons and makes it or him distinguished/identified/definite/isolated and grants ability to others to identify and describe/ remember/recall and/or mention-refer it or him to others. The name/code serves as a basis/foundation for others to enquire and study about it to gain further knowledge.
Attributive names/adjectival descriptions give further information, insight and knowledge about the thing or person introduced by a Personal Name. These are complimentary in nature and help to acquaint others about the inner-self of the named object or person/being. Every person and thing/object that exists has two aspects, the one evidently apparent notwithstanding whether or not it is in the range of focus of someone, and the other is the inner-self, hidden, infolded, not apparent but invisibly embedded therein .
The evidently apparent is the reflection of the fact of existence, and its cognition and reference is by the Name. The pursuit-journey of knowledge is from cognition of existence/Name towards knowing and perceiving the inner-self of that which exists and its relationships and equations with all that exists. We cannot have the absolute knowledge of anything and person/being unless we know its/his inner-self , after its cognition, i.e. introductory knowledge of its Name.

"Agenda" is to make the following point understood

Once we know the inner-self, all that is secreted, hidden and its relationships with everything else, we know that thing and Person in near absolute sense. Thereupon, it or He becomes more visible and apparent than the shining sun in a bright and clear day, even without being physically in visual sight, the aspect of Him. Therefore, we know Him/him with such conviction, which is the absolute-exalted end of the knowledge. This type of knowledge, with reference to personalities, can be attained only about two, Ar'Reh'maan, the Exalted and Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam-The Mercy Personified, since the of both is quite extensively visible to us all around and through the courtesy of Grand Qur'aan.

Raaajah

Someone

I don't know who you are trying to deceive by your linguistic acrobatics? well besides Rajaaah, who seems to be one of your most unconditionnal and blind-following cheerleader, to the point where he is parroting your most incredible and nonsensible sayings without the least doubt, and better defending them... hail So congratulation for your first follower.

I can smell some thing burning. elektro

That is the only comment for your rant, I can give at the moment; as I am busy watching Pakistan Vs Sri Lanka spectacular.

Raaajah

What is "this" exactly? My caliber is that I answered you while you can't answer anything I say.
Peace,
Ayman

Ayman, I do not agree with lot of stuff you say, but still respect you, the reason being your research and Knowledge, very few have researched based knowledge, Wakas, Layth, and Mazhar Sahib are few exceptions, but that does not mean they start calling others Non sense and copy posters. The reason I copied from Mazhar is because what he says is very near to what I may want to say, but my English not allows me too. Whenever you copy some thing or quote it in your favor this actually means you agree with it.

Well what you answered is just one point of view and I have presented mine, and I am not alone in my point of view.
Your basic assertion is that Allah is abbreviation of word al-ilah.

The word "allah" is in fact an abbreviation of the word "al-ilah", which means "the god". Aymen

You said it is a fact. Is it fact? Who used this abbreviation at first in Quran? and why?

There are many who disagree with your theory copied by westerners, they think that Allah is not a contraction. They think that misunderstanding is due to spellings used in English of arabic word Allah.

Due to its English customary spelling it is often viewed by western writers that the English transliterated letters ?a,l,l,a,h? are a contraction of two Arabic words based on a linguistical prestige (in English not Arabic). Thus being ignorant of the fact, and the language it self, that the second ?L? in Arabic script called ?laam? is a double consonant letter. The first two letters ?al? is perceived as the definite article (the), and the three following letters ?laah? ( sometimes rendered in English as ?lah? ) is the contracted Arabic word ?ilaah (deity)? where the weak radical ?a?, in Arabic called ?alif? - pronounced as an ?i? in ?ilaah?, is dropped for a contraction.
Example

al ilah (the deity)
al lah
al-lah
Allah

The double consonant ?L?(laam) in the original Arabic has been edited in English exegesis of the word as a single consonant giving it a linguistical prestige in English as an ?al ilah? contraction. This reason because, the double consonant ?L?, which would be properly spelled with three L?s(Alllah) serves no purpose in English as it does in Arabic. If the customary English spelling of the name it self is transliterated back into Arabic it would spell ? alif, laam, laam, fatah, ha? reading ?allah(a)? (Note This word in Arabic has NO article) which would be a different word in Arabic meaning ?Deification? whereas the name in its original Arabic is spelled as ?alif, laam, laam, laam, alif maqsoorah, ha?a? reading ?alllaah?. On the other hand, a contraction of the words ?al-ilah? is not possible in the Arabic language because the grammar behind it does no permit it as will be shown in the reality of the words in their original language which have been manipulated in English. In The Arabic language when the second radical letter of a word is doubled, by stressing it, it either enhances the word or changes its meaning all together. When the Arabic word ?ilaah?(deity) is pronounced as ?illaah? by stressing its second radical consonant ?L? to double ?ll? it changes the meaning from ?deity? to ?except him? where the ?h? consonant is converted into a masculine suffix pronoun. With the contraction theory of ?al ilah? applied in Arabic, rather than in English, the second radical letter ?L? in the Arabic word ?ilaah? is doubled when the ?i?(alif kasrah) is dropped to take the word ?al? in order to contract ?al? and ?lah? in the Arabic language.

EXAMPLE

al ilaah
al-llaah
alllaah

Such an etymological contraction is not possible in the Arabic language in which the word would be meaningless

Ayman

But you didn't address the example. In fact, you don't seem to want to address anything I said. You made a big deal about al in allah being not the definite article. When I proved that it was the definite article since with the addition of li it becomes lillah, you simply remained silent after your argument was 100% defeated. Are you too proud to correct? What is the use of this discussion? If you were in my place what would you do if I made a big deal about an argument and I suddenly shut up when it was defeated and didn't go back and admit my mistake and correct it?

if ?al? in Alllah was a definite article ?li? could only be prefixed to it as ?li-alllah? not as ?lillaah? which would lose the article. The possessive form of the name as ?lillaah? confirms that there is no ?ilaah ~ deity? word contracted in the name, because the doubling of the second radical ?L? consonant, as we said before ,of the contracted word ?ilaah? with the dropped ?i? for ?laah? (as alleged) with the possessive ?li? for ?li-(i)llaah? would change the meaning of ?ilaah ~ deity? to except he or it . Thus is meaningless and would be prohibited in Arabic because it would be absurd and making no sense whereas the possessive form ?lillaah? of the name Alllaah would not be possible if such an etymological contraction of ?al ilaah? existed.

The in the word "" is merely the definite article. Like all mundane definited article when attached to any Arabic word, the letter Alif is removed when you add "to"/"".

Wrong i gave you an example before here it is gain "In Arabic there are many words that begin with ?al? such as ?alyasa? where ?al? is not a definite article. ?alyasa? is the arabicized form of the Hebrew name ?Elisha?.

Abdul Mannan Omar's Lexical Dictionary of the Quran

Allah.....It is the proper noun applied to the Supreme Being, Who is the sole possessor of all perfect attributes, Who is free from all defects and Who exists necessarily by Himself. It is not a common noun. All Divine atributes mentioned in the Holy Quran are qualities of the proper name Allah. No other language has a distinctive name for the Divine being. the nsames found in other languages are either attributive or descriptive and can be used in the plural form, but the word Allah is never used for any other thing, being or deity. It is never used as a qualifying word.

Now one needs lots of guts to call "Abdul Mannan" a NON SENSE.

As I have already posted in one of my older posts that, If you come out of this noun, pronoun game you can be great help to Muslim Ummah, but instead you are trying to disunite them.

Sorry in advance if any thing seems rude or not ethical.

Mazhar

Whenever you copy some thing or quote it in your favor this actually means you agree with it.

And few have the honesty to disclose when they are quoting matter earlier written by someone else. Has Aymen anywhere said or quoted from where is he getting and posting debate about ?

Mazhar

When I proved that it was the definite article since with the addition of li it becomes lillah, you simply remained silent after your argument was 100% defeated. Aymen

What a discovery?

Here is it

http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/00002.%20Allah/2.gif

Where is the so called added "li" in it?

Removed hamza wasl and added a kasra to already existing laam and this has given the above prepositional phrase.

Kaiokenred

rahenijaat1
they didn't have bukhari's collection of hadiths. now, they did have the koran. so, they became believers by following the koran.

I told you to be careful before answering, but as usual you did not took care as many do not. This means, to get involved in a debate with a person who has no solid reasons to back up what he says is meaningless.

The Quran was revealed in 22 and half years approximately. The early Muslims were not due to Quran but due to the Messenger and his Moral. Allah choose a person who was unique/elevated/having best morals to spread his Message. Off course with few Ayats of Quran which could not even be understood without the explanation of the Messenger at initial stage no one was going to change in which he/they believed for centuries.

lolwut? i understand them preety well, and every Sunni is following Al-Bukhari not the messenger! Hadiths make our beautiful religion look awfull.

And the Qu'ran IS COMPLETE, are you defying the word of God? The best-knower? The Almighty?

Which Hadith other than GOD and His revelations do they believe? 456

The Quran is not fabricated Hadith; ...It details everything. 12111

Some people uphold vain Hadith to divert others from the path of God 316

The Only Sunna to follow shall be God's Sunna ]

The Quran informs us that some enemies of the Prophet, described as"human and jinn devils," will fabricate lies and attribute them to the Prophet (6112, 2531).This is precisely what happened after the prophet Muhammad's death; Hadith (oral) and Sunna (actions) were invented and attributed to the Prophet. Hadith and Sunna are satanic innovations because they

defy the divine assertions that the Quran is complete, perfect, fully detailed, and shall be the only source of religious guidance (619, 38, 114 & 456-7),
blaspheme against the Prophet and depict him as a vicious tyrant who did not
uphold the Quran, and
create false doctrines based on superstition, ignorance, and indefensible nonsensical traditions.
The prophet Muhammad was enjoined, in very strong words, from issuing any religious teachings besides the Quran (6938-4.

Some Muslims compromise "If a Hadith agrees with the Quran we will accept it, and if it contradicts the Quran, we will reject it!" Such premise proves that these people do not believe God's assertions that the Quran is"complete, perfect and fully detailed."
The moment they seek guidance from anything besides the Quran, no matter how "right"
it seems, they fall into Satan's trap ( 631). For they have rejected God's word and set up another god besides God (1857). See Appendix 33. The Quran's mathematical miracle provides mathematical evidence that the Quran shall be our only source of religious teachings. Here are just 2 examples

1."We did not leave anything out of this book," is in Verse 38 (19x2)
and consists of 19 Arabic letters (63.
2. "He sent down this book fully detailed," is in Verse 114 (19x6) and
consists of 19 Arabic letters (6114).

Khalifa is Allah's messenger, the evidence matches, his mission was to tell us that Hadith and Sunnah are FABRICATIONS and Islam is CORRUPTED!

Raaajah

Kaiokenred

Khalifa is Allah's messenger, the evidence matches, his mission was to tell us that Hadith and Sunnah are FABRICATIONS and Islam is CORRUPTED!

Khalifa the one who tempered with Quran, are you talking about that person?

And the Qu'ran IS COMPLETE, are you defying the word of God? The best-knower? The Almighty?

You seem in a hurry, read first what is posted thoroughly before commenting.

Kaiokenred

Kaiokenred
Khalifa the one who tempered with Quran, are you talking about that person?

You seem in a hurry, read first what is posted thoroughly before commenting.

Khalifa was a messenger, how the hell you explain he found a miracle the scientist explain it was impossible to be a coincidence?

and i cba to read all those pages.

p.s how is it being a polytheist?

Raaajah

Khalifa was a messenger, how the hell you explain he found a miracle the scientist explain it was impossible to be a coincidence?

No! he was not. regarding refuting his messenger ship in theory read the thread by Mazhar
Deceptive translation -"Over it is nineteen"

and for scientific refutation read the thread by Ayman

ATTENTION ALL CODE 19 DISCOVERERS Please share your failures

May Allah show you the right path.

Kaiokenred

No! he was not. regarding refuting his messenger ship in theory read the thread by Mazhar
Deceptive translation -"Over it is nineteen"

and for scientific refutation read the thread by Ayman

ATTENTION ALL CODE 19 DISCOVERERS Please share your failures

May Allah show you the right path.

Allah has already shown me the right path

take that word back, you need it more then me.

p.s when you want people to read a thread send them the link

Raaajah

Allah has already shown me the right path
take that word back, you need it more then me.

If you are so sure than I take my prayers back.

But you have no right to call a Liar and Deceiver a Messenger of Allah; you have to take back your words too.

Kaiokenred

If you are so sure than I take my prayers back.

But you have no right to call a Liar and Deceiver a Messenger of Allah; you have to take back your words too.

I'd rather not, unless you really wanna go to hell? i can pray for you to remain in the wrong satan way (sunni) you are now if you want, no problem.

And how the hell you know he was a liar and a deceiver? he died for it and he knew the threats.

Raaajah

I'd rather not, unless you really wanna go to hell? i can pray for you to remain in the wrong satan way (sunni) you are now if you want, no problem.

Don't try to make fool out of your self. I am a Muslim.

And how the hell you know he was a liar and a deceiver? he died for it and he knew the threats.

Improve your way of addressing others, by using "hell" and calling others on way of "Satan", you are just proving you should be ignored.

And how the hell you know he was a liar and a deceiver? he died for it and he knew the threats.

I have mentioned few threads, the research option is there, I have no more time for you. Sorry and bye!

Kaiokenred

Don't try to make fool out of your self. I am a Muslim.

Improve your way of addressing others, by using "hell" and calling others on way of "Satan", you are just proving you should be ignored.

I have mentioned few threads, the research option is there, I have no more time for you. Sorry and bye!

Go practice your Al-Bukhari sunnah then bye

Abd_r_Raheem_al_Haq

Notice this image, whoever is holding the slogans are hiding their faces
and all the writings , are done with the same hand, one hand wrote all of them.
it' just a conspiracy , obvious, these people holding these pancards aren't probably even a muslim

I like the fact that you picked up on the single hand factor. You have astounding powers of observation, really, that was very impressive.

To be called DEADLY by a Sunni is almost as funny as being told that I'm part of a group established by an evil Jew called Goldsmith, probably from Germany. This is comedy gold. Has anyone seen Three Lions yet? It's actually pretty good.