Funny description of us - the hadith rejectors! :)
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Someone,
Your simple problem is that you wish to perceive the ultimate nicities of a subject and concept without trying to see the basic abc of that subject. You have not yet given a thought to differentiate between personal name and specific descriptive/adjectival name.
Note the difference
"Agenda" is to make the following point understood
Once we know the inner-self, all that is secreted, hidden and its relationships with everything else, we know that thing and Person in near absolute sense. Thereupon, it or He becomes more visible and apparent than the shining sun in a bright and clear day, even without being physically in visual sight, the aspect of Him. Therefore, we know Him/him with such conviction, which is the absolute-exalted end of the knowledge. This type of knowledge, with reference to personalities, can be attained only about two, Ar'Reh'maan, the Exalted and Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam-The Mercy Personified, since the of both is quite extensively visible to us all around and through the courtesy of Grand Qur'aan.
Mazhar,
It is not by repeating endlessly the same pseudo-intellectual paragraphs that you will prove your point, it only adds to your doggedness and shows that you are cornered.
Now, if you are cognizant enough to understand to whom I was referring in my previous posts when I talked about the creator of everything, then you are also able to understand that your entire argument crumbles by simple logic, no grammar involved.
If you admit that ar-rahmaan in Arabic can also be referred to in English as the ultimate creator (in the sense of creating something out of nothing, not like transforming something into another thing), then it means that you are carelessly wasting your time and our time, arguing without knowledge that the creator?s personal name is ar-rahmaan.
I think that most people can understand in their own language that there has to be at least one creator to this world and beyond, now to refer to him as x or y or z in this or that language is purely subjective depending on each language. In a sense, arguing about a fixed personal name of the creator in a specific language is border to gullibility at best, or at worst it can diffuse confusion among the people; it serves no purpose but to create more division among humanity.
I hope that the logic in this post is accessible enough for your intellectual capacities, so that you would stop promoting such nonsense. If not, to you is your way and to me is mine.
And the truth stands clear from falsehood.
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SomeOne
I think that most people can understand in their own language that there has to be at least one creator to this world and beyond, now to refer to him as x or y or z in this or that language is purely subjective depending on each language. In a sense, arguing about a fixed personal name of the creator in a specific language is border to gullibility at best, or at worst it can diffuse confusion among the people; it serves no purpose but to create more division among humanity.
Dear some one, who has stopped you or any one to call "Allah" in their own language?
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Allah has allowed it by himself so who can stop it, the only reason there is confusion because you have not read thoroughly what is being said.
"He" is "Dios" "Khuda" "Bhagwan" or whatever as long the meaning expresses ONENESS and is a beautiful name, but who is this "He"? This "He" is Allah who has following attributes mentioned by himself
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I really get worn out on here at times. ???
Indeed, this thread has officially become lame.
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If you admit that ar-rahmaan in Arabic can also be referred to in English as the ultimate creator (in the sense of creating something out of nothing, not like transforming something into another thing), then it means that you are carelessly wasting your time and our time, arguing without knowledge that the creator?s personal name is ar-rahmaan.
I think that most people can understand in their own language that there has to be at least one creator to this world and beyond, now to refer to him as x or y or z in this or that language is purely subjective depending on each language.
for Someone,
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And when it was said for them, "you people prostrate for Ar'Reh'maan"
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They replied, "And what is Ar'Reh'maan; should we prostrate for that which you command us" And it increased their aversion. -
I don't know why people start feeling so disturbed whenever there is undeniable matter like this
This type of knowledge, with reference to personalities, can be attained only about two, Ar'Reh'maan, the Exalted and Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam-The Mercy Personified, since the of both is quite extensively visible to us all around and through the courtesy of Grand Qur'aan.
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for Someone,
http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/025.%20Al%20Furqan/25.60.gif
And when it was said for them, "you people prostrate for Ar'Reh'maan"
http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/025.%20Al%20Furqan/25.60a.gif
They replied, "And what is Ar'Reh'maan; should we prostrate for that which you command us" And it increased their aversion.Here we are not discussing if we should submit to ar-rahamaan or not, but we are discussing your wrong assertion that the personal name of the creator is ar-rahmaan, and presenting the above verses is only showing your inability to follow a logical argument.
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for Someone,
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And when it was said for them, "you people prostrate for Ar'Reh'maan"
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They replied, "And what is Ar'Reh'maan; should we prostrate for that which you command us" And it increased their aversion.People accept Allah , because it's singular of Aliha, and it's with the Al , as opposed to ileh
people won't accept the name of allah, they didn't accept it before, they're not gonna accept it easy now
AlRahman is a personel name that allah define himself with.
the pluriel of Allah is Aliha , some people make a mistale, they think ileh is Nakirah for "Al ileh" , but this word is false, there is nowhere in the quran you can find the word "Al Ileh", the Taarif of Ileh, is Allah, and the pluriel is Aliha.
Rahman is the name of Allah. and we protrate to alRahman, because he is Allah and the only ileh -
Peace Kaiokenred,
p.s when you want people to read a thread send them the link
Here are some links
Hadith inspired Khalifa's messengership
Also
http//19.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8182Code 19 is Real
Khalifa's APPENDIX 1 ? ADDENDUM
ATTENTION ALL CODE 19 DISCOVERERS Please share your failures
http//free-minds.org/ayman19
http//free-minds.org/debate19
I hope this helps.
Peace,
Ayman
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http//Quote from Mazhar on Yesterday at 092313 AM
for Someone,And when it was said for them, "you people prostrate for Ar'Reh'maan"
They replied, "And what is Ar'Reh'maan; should we prostrate for that which you command us" And it increased their aversion.
People accept Allah , because it's singular of Aliha, and it's with the Al , as opposed to ileh
people won't accept the name of allah, they didn't accept it before, they're not gonna accept it easy now
AlRahman is a personel name that allah define himself with.
the pluriel of Allah is Aliha , some people make a mistale, they think ileh is Nakirah for "Al ileh" , but this word is false, there is nowhere in the quran you can find the word "Al Ileh", the Taarif of Ileh, is Allah, and the pluriel is Aliha.
Rahman is the name of Allah. and we protrate to alRahman, because he is Allah and the only ilehLoxbox,
You may have noticed that I have put in parentheses "sarcastically". Can you suggest me to take it out in the text because of use of "Ma" by them instead of "Man"