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    Kaiokenred
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    Peace,

    114

    Say I seek refuge in the Lord of mankind

    The King of mankind

    The God of mankind

    From the Evil of the retreating whisperer

    Who whispers in the breasts of mankind

    Of Jinns and men

    Now, couple of questions

    if there is no God, why does the "All Law" tell us to seek refuge in the Ilah, or God, of mankind?

    Also, if there is no God, whom, may I ask, is Satan?

    hmm bravo

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      Raaajah
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      To understand Allah let us ponder on the following verse from Surah Noor
      http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/024.%20An%20Noor/24.35.gif

      if we understand What is Noor? we will be very near to the answer

      http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/024.%20An%20Noor/24.35f.gif

      loxbox may be partially correct though his conclusion is a far cry.

      Wahid = unique , and never mean one
      Alwahid = The unique and never mean One

      Unique is an adjective meaning ONLY ONE OF ITS KIND
      having no like or equal; unparalleled; incomparable

      Therefore when he says

      http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/112.%20Al%20Ikhlaas/112.1p.gif

      You, the Messenger tell the people ;
      "The absolute fact is that Allah is the Only One, The Unique, the Solitary, the Absolute;

      It means he is the Only One and there is No other that can be compared to him.

      Laws don't induct Human beings to convey the messages. Laws are laws they act according to the situation without considering good or bad.

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        mmkhan
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        Salaam all,

        Please help me understand the following aayaats.

        11
        11 In the name of Allah, the Almighty, the Merciful.

        12
        12 The Praise be to Allah, Lord of the worlds.

        220
        220 The lightning nearly snatches their sight, whenever it lights the path they walk in it, and when it becomes dark for them they stand. Had Allah willed, He would have taken their hearing and their sight; Allah is capable of all things.

        255
        255 And you said O Moses, we will not believe you until we see Allah openly! So the lightning strike took you while you were still staring.

        274
        274 Then your hearts became hardened after that, they became like stone or even harder; but even from stone there are rivers that burst forth, and from them are those that crack so that the water comes forth, and from them are what descends from concern towards Allah; and Allah is not unaware of what you do.

        2116
        2116 And they said Allah has taken a son! Be He glorified. To Him is all that is in the heavens and the earth, all are dutiful to Him.

        2159
        2159 Surely those who conceal what We have sent down to them of the clarities and the guidance, after We Had made it clear for the people in the Book; these will be cursed by Allah and be cursed by those who curse.

        564
        564 And the Jews said The hand of Allah is tied-down! Their hands will be tied-down, and they will be cursed for what they have said. No, His hands are wide open spending as He wills. And for many of them, what has been sent down to you will increase them in rebellion and rejection; and We have cast between them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. Every time they ignite the fire of war, Allah puts it out; and they seek to make corruption in the land; and Allah does not love the corrupters.

        695
        695 Indeed Allah is the splitter of the seeds and the grains; He brings the living out from the dead and He brings the dead out from the living. Such is Allah; so why are you deluded?

        2014
        2014 I am Allah, there is no god except Me, so serve Me and hold the contact prayer for My remembrance.

        There are hundreds of more aayaats need explanation then...

        May Allah guide us all to His ONLY path and open our hearts to understand and accept the truth pr
        Mohammed M. Khan

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          loxbox13
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          Salaam all,

          Please help me understand the following aayaats.

          11
          11 In the name of Allah, the Almighty, the Merciful.

          12
          12 The Praise be to Allah, Lord of the worlds.

          220
          220 The lightning nearly snatches their sight, whenever it lights the path they walk in it, and when it becomes dark for them they stand. Had Allah willed, He would have taken their hearing and their sight; Allah is capable of all things.

          255
          255 And you said O Moses, we will not believe you until we see Allah openly! So the lightning strike took you while you were still staring.

          274
          274 Then your hearts became hardened after that, they became like stone or even harder; but even from stone there are rivers that burst forth, and from them are those that crack so that the water comes forth, and from them are what descends from concern towards Allah; and Allah is not unaware of what you do.

          2116
          2116 And they said Allah has taken a son! Be He glorified. To Him is all that is in the heavens and the earth, all are dutiful to Him.

          2159
          2159 Surely those who conceal what We have sent down to them of the clarities and the guidance, after We Had made it clear for the people in the Book; these will be cursed by Allah and be cursed by those who curse.

          564
          564 And the Jews said The hand of Allah is tied-down! Their hands will be tied-down, and they will be cursed for what they have said. No, His hands are wide open spending as He wills. And for many of them, what has been sent down to you will increase them in rebellion and rejection; and We have cast between them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. Every time they ignite the fire of war, Allah puts it out; and they seek to make corruption in the land; and Allah does not love the corrupters.

          695
          695 Indeed Allah is the splitter of the seeds and the grains; He brings the living out from the dead and He brings the dead out from the living. Such is Allah; so why are you deluded?

          2014
          2014 I am Allah, there is no god except Me, so serve Me and hold the contact prayer for My remembrance.

          There are hundreds of more aayaats need explanation then...

          May Allah guide us all to His ONLY path and open our hearts to understand and accept the truth pr
          Mohammed M. Khan

          Excuse me brother, but still all these verses doesn't mean Allah is a God, but the Law of All that exist, Translate Allah with the word Law in your verses and you will see it's perfect, a perfect Law that rule everything that exist, and we shall choose to follow the Law of All that exist to be in harmony with all that exist.

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            Jinn
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            Peace Lox,

            Surah 114, as I posted above.

            I'd like my questions answered as well.

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              loxbox13
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              Peace Lox,

              Surah 114, as I posted above.

              I'd like my questions answered as well.

              I know what you mean, Ahad means unique ! Allah is unique, same, The Law , the real law of nature and existance is unique, it does not begot nor is begotten, it is always there, always been and will always be, no one can break this Law of existance, Allah is the Law, and only Law, there is no other law that can create or that can make people prosper.

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                Jinn
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                I know what you mean, Ahad means unique ! Allah is unique, same, The Law , the real law of nature and existance is unique, it does not begot nor is begotten, it is always there, always been and will always be, no one can break this Law of existance, Allah is the Law, and only Law, there is no other law that can create or that can make people prosper.

                Peace,

                Again, answer my questions.

                1. If there is no God, why does the "All Law" command us to take refuge in the Ilah, or God, of mankind?

                2. If there is no God, then who is Satan?

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                  Peace,

                  Again, answer my questions.

                  1. If there is no God, why does the "All Law" command us to take refuge in the Ilah, or God, of mankind?

                  2. If there is no God, then who is Satan?

                  brother, we are all mislead, muslims are the most mislead people on the planet, as well as christians and jews
                  atheists are the closest to the truth, but still, atheists if they have morality and believe in the future life, they'd be the true musilms.
                  there is no god in the concept of monotheism, it's all wrong, all religions are ashtray and led by Shaitan
                  Allah is the law, and we can not call Our Rabb , one, as if the number one, because Rabb is not one, and the creator of all is not one, he's not two neither nor three nor 1 billion, there is no number added, there is no monotheisme nor trinitarians, they're the same in Sin. saying Allh is one, is the same as saying Allah is three.

                  Satan also doesn't exist in the judeo-chretian concept, they created this name to misslead us
                  Shaitan in english in Enchantement , it's like backward words, played in music subliminal to interfere with the minds of people, or symbols used to interfere with the streem of life , shaitan is men who hide their identity and purpose, Jinn imeans hidden, Jinn are men like us and we don't know what they really do in their rituels and their plans.
                  There is no Satan, but there is Shaitane

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                    Jinn
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                    brother, we are all mislead, muslims are the most mislead people on the planet, as well as christians and jews
                    atheists are the closest to the truth, but still, atheists if they have morality and believe in the future life, they'd be the true musilms.
                    there is no god in the concept of monotheism, it's all wrong, all religions are ashtray and led by Shaitan
                    Allah is the law, and we can not call Our Rabb , one, as if the number one, because Rabb is not one, and the creator of all is not one, he's not two neither nor three nor 1 billion, there is no number added, there is no monotheisme nor trinitarians, they're the same in Sin. saying Allh is one, is the same as saying Allah is three.

                    Satan also doesn't exist in the judeo-chretian concept, they created this name to misslead us
                    Shaitan in english in Enchantement , it's like backward words, played in music subliminal to interfere with the minds of people, or symbols used to interfere with the streem of life , shaitan is men who hide their identity and purpose, Jinn imeans hidden, Jinn are men like us and we don't know what they really do in their rituels and their plans.
                    There is no Satan, but there is Shaitane

                    Quit dancing around my questions, answer them directly and stop making me read baseless rhetoric.

                    You have not given one single proof to any of your claims of the nonexistence of God and the apparent sentience of the known universe.

                    If there is no God, then tell me why the Holy Qur'an in Surah 114 directly orders me to seek refuge in the God of mankind.

                    If you are claiming that it is an insertion, then I will kindly ask you to state your case as to why the Qur'an was not protected as stated in 159

                    "Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian."

                    I will expect fully detailed proofs with references.

                    Now, to address your Satan ramblings
                    the word "Shaitan" is derived from the Hebrew "ha-Satan" which means "the adversary" and is first seen articulated in the Book of Job in the Hebrew Bible

                    The English word "Satan" does not mean "Enchantment" it means "The Adversary" just as it meant in the Hebrew form "ha-Satan" More poetic sub-definitions have defined "Satan" as being "The Enchanter" but not "Enchantment" which is defined as "the art, act or instance of enchanting OR the state of being enchanted OR something that enchants"

                    The problem with your theory is that you forget that in every language, every definition, Satan is referred to as being personified, i.e. Satan is a being or even simpler, Satan exists. This is irrefutably proven in the original Hebrew, where "ha" gives personification to "satan" which means "adversary" thus making it "the adversary"

                    Again, in Christianity, we see the concept of Satan when Jesus is tempted by him.

                    it's like backward words, played in music subliminal to interfere with the minds of people, or symbols used to interfere with the streem of life

                    Oh, so we're going to get into mysticism now, are we?

                    Show me one symbol I can draw right now that will directly interfere with the stream of life.

                    Also, backwards words in music.... are backwards words in music. I'm currently studying to be a sound engineer and I've been a musician for the better part of 7 years. Don't even try to sway me with that idiotic drivel.

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                      Jinn
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                      I had to answer this separately.

                      Jinn imeans hidden, Jinn are men like us and we don't know what they really do in their rituels and their plans.

                      5515
                      And He created the jinn from a smokeless flame of fire.

                      1527
                      And the jinn We created before from scorching fire.

                      Jinn is the plural of "jinni" which is simply defined as "A class of spirits lower than the angels who are capable of shapeshifting and influencing mankind"

                      Again, you provide no basis for your definitions and thus I can only conclude that you're either making baseless, self assertive claims or just simply trying to meld some pseudoreligious philosophy with Qur'an.

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                        CavemanDoctor
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                        Jinn,

                        You're going to have to chill out a bit. Tone it down a few notches.

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                          Jinn
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                          Peace,

                          My apologies and duly noted. A firm touch is what I'm unfortunately known for.

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                            Kaiokenred
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                            If to be a muslim is to be an atheist, and whoever is a muslim accepted Islam, then why does it say in Quran that Islam's founder was ALWAYS a monotheist?

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                              rahenijaat1
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                              Peace!

                              brother, we are all mislead, muslims are the most mislead people on the planet, as well as christians and jews
                              atheists are the closest to the truth, but still, atheists if they have morality and believe in the future life, they'd be the true musilms.
                              there is no god in the concept of monotheism, it's all wrong, all religions are ashtray and led by Shaitan
                              Allah is the law, and we can not call Our Rabb , one, as if the number one, because Rabb is not one, and the creator of all is not one, he's not two neither nor three nor 1 billion, there is no number added, there is no monotheisme nor trinitarians, they're the same in Sin. saying Allh is one, is the same as saying Allah is three.

                              Satan also doesn't exist in the judeo-chretian concept, they created this name to misslead us
                              Shaitan in english in Enchantement , it's like backward words, played in music subliminal to interfere with the minds of people, or symbols used to interfere with the streem of life , shaitan is men who hide their identity and purpose, Jinn imeans hidden, Jinn are men like us and we don't know what they really do in their rituels and their plans.
                              There is no Satan, but there is Shaitane

                              The above quote is your own fabrications. Nothing can be proved on The Holy and Exalted Quran.

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                                mmkhan
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                                Excuse me brother, but still all these verses doesn't mean Allah is a God, but the Law of All that exist, Translate Allah with the word Law in your verses and you will see it's perfect, a perfect Law that rule everything that exist, and we shall choose to follow the Law of All that exist to be in harmony with all that exist.

                                OK, let me try.

                                11
                                11 In the name of LAW, the Almighty, the Merciful.

                                Is LAW also 'AlRahmaan' and 'AlRaheem'?

                                12
                                12 The Praise be to LAW, Lord of the worlds.

                                LAW has to be praised? And is LAW also a Lord of the worlds?

                                220
                                220 The lightning nearly snatches their sight, whenever it lights the path they walk in it, and when it becomes dark for them they stand. Had LAW willed, He would have taken their hearing and their sight; LAW is capable of all things.

                                And if LAW wills? LAW can take your hearing and sight? LAW is capable of all things? Oh Allah, help us.

                                255
                                255 And you said O Moses, we will not believe you until we see LAW openly! So the lightning strike took you while you were still staring.

                                Why lightning strike the those who ask Musa (AS) to show them the LAW openly?

                                274
                                274 Then your hearts became hardened after that, they became like stone or even harder; but even from stone there are rivers that burst forth, and from them are those that crack so that the water comes forth, and from them are what descends from concern towards LAW; and LAW is not unaware of what you do.

                                From stones fall down for fear of the LAW? LAW is aware of everything we do?

                                2116
                                2116 And they said LAW has taken a son! Be He glorified. To Him is all that is in the heavens and the earth, all are dutiful to Him.

                                They said LAW has taken a son?? Oh please! Is everything in heavens and earth belongs to the LAW?

                                2159
                                2159 Surely those who conceal what We have sent down to them of the clarities and the guidance, after We Had made it clear for the people in the Book; these will be cursed by LAW and be cursed by those who curse.

                                Those are cursed by the LAW? How could LAW curse anyone?

                                564
                                564 And the Jews said The hand of LAW is tied-down! Their hands will be tied-down, and they will be cursed for what they have said. No, His hands are wide open spending as He wills. And for many of them, what has been sent down to you will increase them in rebellion and rejection; and We have cast between them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. Every time they ignite the fire of war, LAW puts it out; and they seek to make corruption in the land; and LAW does not love the corrupters.

                                LAW's hand is tied-down, they say? Oh! LAW's hands are widely open and IT spends how IT wills? Oh comm'on, this is enough. And also LAW does not love the corrupters?

                                695
                                695 Indeed LAW is the splitter of the seeds and the grains; He brings the living out from the dead and He brings the dead out from the living. Such is the LAW; so why are you deluded?

                                LAW can split seeds and grains? Wow! I was not knowing it. And LAW can brings the living out of dead and also brings the dead out of living? SUCH IS THE LAW? hmm

                                2014
                                2014 I am LAW, there is no god except Me, so serve Me and hold the contact prayer for My remembrance.

                                Wowww! I AM THE LAW, hey btw how will translate the other part "there is no ilaha/god except ME " or "there is no law except ME "? Serve the LAW? And perform Salaat for the remembrance of the LAW?

                                How can the LAW say "I AM THE LAW"?

                                Brother, I tried as you said, and I could not find even a single aayat fits as you claim. Can you please answer the questions I made above, please no twisting of words, just simple Cut-To-The-Point answer.

                                Awaiting your details reply on this.

                                May Allah help you understand and accept the truth and guide us all to His only path pr
                                Mohammed M. Khan

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                                  Kaiokenred
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                                  OK, let me try.

                                  11
                                  11 In the name of LAW, the Almighty, the Merciful.

                                  Is LAW also 'AlRahmaan' and 'AlRaheem'?

                                  12
                                  12 The Praise be to LAW, Lord of the worlds.

                                  LAW has to be praised? And is LAW also a Lord of the worlds?

                                  220
                                  220 The lightning nearly snatches their sight, whenever it lights the path they walk in it, and when it becomes dark for them they stand. Had LAW willed, He would have taken their hearing and their sight; LAW is capable of all things.

                                  And if LAW wills? LAW can take your hearing and sight? LAW is capable of all things? Oh Allah, help us.

                                  255
                                  255 And you said O Moses, we will not believe you until we see LAW openly! So the lightning strike took you while you were still staring.

                                  Why lightning strike the those who ask Musa (AS) to show them the LAW openly?

                                  274
                                  274 Then your hearts became hardened after that, they became like stone or even harder; but even from stone there are rivers that burst forth, and from them are those that crack so that the water comes forth, and from them are what descends from concern towards LAW; and LAW is not unaware of what you do.

                                  From stones fall down for fear of the LAW? LAW is aware of everything we do?

                                  2116
                                  2116 And they said LAW has taken a son! Be He glorified. To Him is all that is in the heavens and the earth, all are dutiful to Him.

                                  They said LAW has taken a son?? Oh please! Is everything in heavens and earth belongs to the LAW?

                                  2159
                                  2159 Surely those who conceal what We have sent down to them of the clarities and the guidance, after We Had made it clear for the people in the Book; these will be cursed by LAW and be cursed by those who curse.

                                  Those are cursed by the LAW? How could LAW curse anyone?

                                  564
                                  564 And the Jews said The hand of LAW is tied-down! Their hands will be tied-down, and they will be cursed for what they have said. No, His hands are wide open spending as He wills. And for many of them, what has been sent down to you will increase them in rebellion and rejection; and We have cast between them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. Every time they ignite the fire of war, LAW puts it out; and they seek to make corruption in the land; and LAW does not love the corrupters.

                                  LAW's hand is tied-down, they say? Oh! LAW's hands are widely open and IT spends how IT wills? Oh comm'on, this is enough. And also LAW does not love the corrupters?

                                  695
                                  695 Indeed LAW is the splitter of the seeds and the grains; He brings the living out from the dead and He brings the dead out from the living. Such is the LAW; so why are you deluded?

                                  LAW can split seeds and grains? Wow! I was not knowing it. And LAW can brings the living out of dead and also brings the dead out of living? SUCH IS THE LAW? hmm

                                  2014
                                  2014 I am LAW, there is no god except Me, so serve Me and hold the contact prayer for My remembrance.

                                  Wowww! I AM THE LAW, hey btw how will translate the other part "there is no ilaha/god except ME " or "there is no law except ME "? Serve the LAW? And perform Salaat for the remembrance of the LAW?

                                  How can the LAW say "I AM THE LAW"?

                                  Brother, I tried as you said, and I could not find even a single aayat fits as you claim. Can you please answer the questions I made above, please no twisting of words, just simple Cut-To-The-Point answer.

                                  Awaiting your details reply on this.

                                  May Allah help you understand and accept the truth and guide us all to His only path pr
                                  Mohammed M. Khan

                                  Hhaahahahhahahahhah! It's useless, these ignorants wont change their mind, your post was only valuable to make me laugh lol rotfl

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                                    rahenijaat1
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                                    Peace!

                                    loxbox13

                                    Is "The Law" without a "Law-Maker"???

                                    Can you name a country where there is "Law", but no "Law-makers"?

                                    Do you accept there is a Creator of this universe, and He is The Law-Maker.

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                                      Peace!

                                      loxbox13

                                      Is "The Law" without a "Law-Maker"???

                                      Can you name a country where there is "Law", but no "Law-makers"?

                                      Do you accept there is a Creator of this universe, and He is The Law-Maker.

                                      Creator is first cause.
                                      Creator will be last effect.

                                      Look to the beginning of time, and there you shall find your creator in all "his" glory.
                                      Look to the end of time and you will find your creator in even more glory.

                                      Lawmaker IS law.

                                      Open your eyes and look beyond the dualities.

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                                        rahenijaat1
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                                        Salam and Peace!

                                        Creator is first cause.
                                        Creator will be last effect.

                                        Look to the beginning of time, and there you shall find your creator in all "his" glory.
                                        Look to the end of time and you will find your creator in even more glory.

                                        Lawmaker IS law.

                                        Open your eyes and look beyond the dualities.

                                        My Creator is also your Creator.

                                        Lawmaker is not Law.
                                        He is The Maker of Law.
                                        The Law Maker made The Law.

                                        There is Law.-----Because there is A Law Maker.
                                        If there had been no Law Maker,-----there would have been no Law.

                                        Do you accept Al-Quran as The Book of Law of The Creator, Sustainer, Administrator, Manager, Ruler and The Law-Maker of the universe and the mankind.

                                        No where in The Book of Law, Allah declares that He is The Law.

                                        Allah, indeed, has declared Himself The Only Source of Law.

                                        "Shall I seek OTHER THAN ALLAH as A Source of Law, when He has revealed THIS BOOK FULLY DETAILED? ....The Word of your Lord is COMPLETE, in Truth and Justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words; He is The Hearer, The Omniscient. Yet, if you obey the majority of people, they will take you away from The Path of Allah (Al-Quraan alone). That is because they follow CONJECTURE, and they fail to think." (Al-Anaam114-116)

                                        Please contemplate

                                        ---"Shall I seek OTHER THAN ALLAH as A Source of Law"---
                                        Allah, The Source of Law---and---The Law-----Not one thing.

                                        ---"The Word of your Lord is COMPLETE"---
                                        Lord---and---His Words-----Not one thing.

                                        ---"Nothing shall abrogate His words"---
                                        His (The Lord)---and---Words-----Not one thing.---It didn't say, "Nothing can abrogate Him"

                                        Peace again!

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                                          Creator is first cause.
                                          Creator will be last effect.

                                          Look to the beginning of time, and there you shall find your creator in all "his" glory.
                                          Look to the end of time and you will find your creator in even more glory.

                                          Lawmaker IS law.

                                          Open your eyes and look beyond the dualities.

                                          I still haven't received an answer to my question.

                                          In Surah 114, why does the Qur'an tell me to seek refuge in the Ilah, or God, of mankind?

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