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    loxbox13
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    Salaam all,

    Please help me understand the following aayaats.

    11
    11 In the name of Allah, the Almighty, the Merciful.

    12
    12 The Praise be to Allah, Lord of the worlds.

    220
    220 The lightning nearly snatches their sight, whenever it lights the path they walk in it, and when it becomes dark for them they stand. Had Allah willed, He would have taken their hearing and their sight; Allah is capable of all things.

    255
    255 And you said O Moses, we will not believe you until we see Allah openly! So the lightning strike took you while you were still staring.

    274
    274 Then your hearts became hardened after that, they became like stone or even harder; but even from stone there are rivers that burst forth, and from them are those that crack so that the water comes forth, and from them are what descends from concern towards Allah; and Allah is not unaware of what you do.

    2116
    2116 And they said Allah has taken a son! Be He glorified. To Him is all that is in the heavens and the earth, all are dutiful to Him.

    2159
    2159 Surely those who conceal what We have sent down to them of the clarities and the guidance, after We Had made it clear for the people in the Book; these will be cursed by Allah and be cursed by those who curse.

    564
    564 And the Jews said The hand of Allah is tied-down! Their hands will be tied-down, and they will be cursed for what they have said. No, His hands are wide open spending as He wills. And for many of them, what has been sent down to you will increase them in rebellion and rejection; and We have cast between them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. Every time they ignite the fire of war, Allah puts it out; and they seek to make corruption in the land; and Allah does not love the corrupters.

    695
    695 Indeed Allah is the splitter of the seeds and the grains; He brings the living out from the dead and He brings the dead out from the living. Such is Allah; so why are you deluded?

    2014
    2014 I am Allah, there is no god except Me, so serve Me and hold the contact prayer for My remembrance.

    There are hundreds of more aayaats need explanation then...

    May Allah guide us all to His ONLY path and open our hearts to understand and accept the truth pr
    Mohammed M. Khan

    Excuse me brother, but still all these verses doesn't mean Allah is a God, but the Law of All that exist, Translate Allah with the word Law in your verses and you will see it's perfect, a perfect Law that rule everything that exist, and we shall choose to follow the Law of All that exist to be in harmony with all that exist.

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      Peace Lox,

      Surah 114, as I posted above.

      I'd like my questions answered as well.

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        Peace Lox,

        Surah 114, as I posted above.

        I'd like my questions answered as well.

        I know what you mean, Ahad means unique ! Allah is unique, same, The Law , the real law of nature and existance is unique, it does not begot nor is begotten, it is always there, always been and will always be, no one can break this Law of existance, Allah is the Law, and only Law, there is no other law that can create or that can make people prosper.

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          I know what you mean, Ahad means unique ! Allah is unique, same, The Law , the real law of nature and existance is unique, it does not begot nor is begotten, it is always there, always been and will always be, no one can break this Law of existance, Allah is the Law, and only Law, there is no other law that can create or that can make people prosper.

          Peace,

          Again, answer my questions.

          1. If there is no God, why does the "All Law" command us to take refuge in the Ilah, or God, of mankind?

          2. If there is no God, then who is Satan?

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            Peace,

            Again, answer my questions.

            1. If there is no God, why does the "All Law" command us to take refuge in the Ilah, or God, of mankind?

            2. If there is no God, then who is Satan?

            brother, we are all mislead, muslims are the most mislead people on the planet, as well as christians and jews
            atheists are the closest to the truth, but still, atheists if they have morality and believe in the future life, they'd be the true musilms.
            there is no god in the concept of monotheism, it's all wrong, all religions are ashtray and led by Shaitan
            Allah is the law, and we can not call Our Rabb , one, as if the number one, because Rabb is not one, and the creator of all is not one, he's not two neither nor three nor 1 billion, there is no number added, there is no monotheisme nor trinitarians, they're the same in Sin. saying Allh is one, is the same as saying Allah is three.

            Satan also doesn't exist in the judeo-chretian concept, they created this name to misslead us
            Shaitan in english in Enchantement , it's like backward words, played in music subliminal to interfere with the minds of people, or symbols used to interfere with the streem of life , shaitan is men who hide their identity and purpose, Jinn imeans hidden, Jinn are men like us and we don't know what they really do in their rituels and their plans.
            There is no Satan, but there is Shaitane

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              Jinn
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              brother, we are all mislead, muslims are the most mislead people on the planet, as well as christians and jews
              atheists are the closest to the truth, but still, atheists if they have morality and believe in the future life, they'd be the true musilms.
              there is no god in the concept of monotheism, it's all wrong, all religions are ashtray and led by Shaitan
              Allah is the law, and we can not call Our Rabb , one, as if the number one, because Rabb is not one, and the creator of all is not one, he's not two neither nor three nor 1 billion, there is no number added, there is no monotheisme nor trinitarians, they're the same in Sin. saying Allh is one, is the same as saying Allah is three.

              Satan also doesn't exist in the judeo-chretian concept, they created this name to misslead us
              Shaitan in english in Enchantement , it's like backward words, played in music subliminal to interfere with the minds of people, or symbols used to interfere with the streem of life , shaitan is men who hide their identity and purpose, Jinn imeans hidden, Jinn are men like us and we don't know what they really do in their rituels and their plans.
              There is no Satan, but there is Shaitane

              Quit dancing around my questions, answer them directly and stop making me read baseless rhetoric.

              You have not given one single proof to any of your claims of the nonexistence of God and the apparent sentience of the known universe.

              If there is no God, then tell me why the Holy Qur'an in Surah 114 directly orders me to seek refuge in the God of mankind.

              If you are claiming that it is an insertion, then I will kindly ask you to state your case as to why the Qur'an was not protected as stated in 159

              "Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian."

              I will expect fully detailed proofs with references.

              Now, to address your Satan ramblings
              the word "Shaitan" is derived from the Hebrew "ha-Satan" which means "the adversary" and is first seen articulated in the Book of Job in the Hebrew Bible

              The English word "Satan" does not mean "Enchantment" it means "The Adversary" just as it meant in the Hebrew form "ha-Satan" More poetic sub-definitions have defined "Satan" as being "The Enchanter" but not "Enchantment" which is defined as "the art, act or instance of enchanting OR the state of being enchanted OR something that enchants"

              The problem with your theory is that you forget that in every language, every definition, Satan is referred to as being personified, i.e. Satan is a being or even simpler, Satan exists. This is irrefutably proven in the original Hebrew, where "ha" gives personification to "satan" which means "adversary" thus making it "the adversary"

              Again, in Christianity, we see the concept of Satan when Jesus is tempted by him.

              it's like backward words, played in music subliminal to interfere with the minds of people, or symbols used to interfere with the streem of life

              Oh, so we're going to get into mysticism now, are we?

              Show me one symbol I can draw right now that will directly interfere with the stream of life.

              Also, backwards words in music.... are backwards words in music. I'm currently studying to be a sound engineer and I've been a musician for the better part of 7 years. Don't even try to sway me with that idiotic drivel.

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                I had to answer this separately.

                Jinn imeans hidden, Jinn are men like us and we don't know what they really do in their rituels and their plans.

                5515
                And He created the jinn from a smokeless flame of fire.

                1527
                And the jinn We created before from scorching fire.

                Jinn is the plural of "jinni" which is simply defined as "A class of spirits lower than the angels who are capable of shapeshifting and influencing mankind"

                Again, you provide no basis for your definitions and thus I can only conclude that you're either making baseless, self assertive claims or just simply trying to meld some pseudoreligious philosophy with Qur'an.

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                  Jinn,

                  You're going to have to chill out a bit. Tone it down a few notches.

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                    Peace,

                    My apologies and duly noted. A firm touch is what I'm unfortunately known for.

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                      If to be a muslim is to be an atheist, and whoever is a muslim accepted Islam, then why does it say in Quran that Islam's founder was ALWAYS a monotheist?

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                        Peace!

                        brother, we are all mislead, muslims are the most mislead people on the planet, as well as christians and jews
                        atheists are the closest to the truth, but still, atheists if they have morality and believe in the future life, they'd be the true musilms.
                        there is no god in the concept of monotheism, it's all wrong, all religions are ashtray and led by Shaitan
                        Allah is the law, and we can not call Our Rabb , one, as if the number one, because Rabb is not one, and the creator of all is not one, he's not two neither nor three nor 1 billion, there is no number added, there is no monotheisme nor trinitarians, they're the same in Sin. saying Allh is one, is the same as saying Allah is three.

                        Satan also doesn't exist in the judeo-chretian concept, they created this name to misslead us
                        Shaitan in english in Enchantement , it's like backward words, played in music subliminal to interfere with the minds of people, or symbols used to interfere with the streem of life , shaitan is men who hide their identity and purpose, Jinn imeans hidden, Jinn are men like us and we don't know what they really do in their rituels and their plans.
                        There is no Satan, but there is Shaitane

                        The above quote is your own fabrications. Nothing can be proved on The Holy and Exalted Quran.

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                          Excuse me brother, but still all these verses doesn't mean Allah is a God, but the Law of All that exist, Translate Allah with the word Law in your verses and you will see it's perfect, a perfect Law that rule everything that exist, and we shall choose to follow the Law of All that exist to be in harmony with all that exist.

                          OK, let me try.

                          11
                          11 In the name of LAW, the Almighty, the Merciful.

                          Is LAW also 'AlRahmaan' and 'AlRaheem'?

                          12
                          12 The Praise be to LAW, Lord of the worlds.

                          LAW has to be praised? And is LAW also a Lord of the worlds?

                          220
                          220 The lightning nearly snatches their sight, whenever it lights the path they walk in it, and when it becomes dark for them they stand. Had LAW willed, He would have taken their hearing and their sight; LAW is capable of all things.

                          And if LAW wills? LAW can take your hearing and sight? LAW is capable of all things? Oh Allah, help us.

                          255
                          255 And you said O Moses, we will not believe you until we see LAW openly! So the lightning strike took you while you were still staring.

                          Why lightning strike the those who ask Musa (AS) to show them the LAW openly?

                          274
                          274 Then your hearts became hardened after that, they became like stone or even harder; but even from stone there are rivers that burst forth, and from them are those that crack so that the water comes forth, and from them are what descends from concern towards LAW; and LAW is not unaware of what you do.

                          From stones fall down for fear of the LAW? LAW is aware of everything we do?

                          2116
                          2116 And they said LAW has taken a son! Be He glorified. To Him is all that is in the heavens and the earth, all are dutiful to Him.

                          They said LAW has taken a son?? Oh please! Is everything in heavens and earth belongs to the LAW?

                          2159
                          2159 Surely those who conceal what We have sent down to them of the clarities and the guidance, after We Had made it clear for the people in the Book; these will be cursed by LAW and be cursed by those who curse.

                          Those are cursed by the LAW? How could LAW curse anyone?

                          564
                          564 And the Jews said The hand of LAW is tied-down! Their hands will be tied-down, and they will be cursed for what they have said. No, His hands are wide open spending as He wills. And for many of them, what has been sent down to you will increase them in rebellion and rejection; and We have cast between them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. Every time they ignite the fire of war, LAW puts it out; and they seek to make corruption in the land; and LAW does not love the corrupters.

                          LAW's hand is tied-down, they say? Oh! LAW's hands are widely open and IT spends how IT wills? Oh comm'on, this is enough. And also LAW does not love the corrupters?

                          695
                          695 Indeed LAW is the splitter of the seeds and the grains; He brings the living out from the dead and He brings the dead out from the living. Such is the LAW; so why are you deluded?

                          LAW can split seeds and grains? Wow! I was not knowing it. And LAW can brings the living out of dead and also brings the dead out of living? SUCH IS THE LAW? hmm

                          2014
                          2014 I am LAW, there is no god except Me, so serve Me and hold the contact prayer for My remembrance.

                          Wowww! I AM THE LAW, hey btw how will translate the other part "there is no ilaha/god except ME " or "there is no law except ME "? Serve the LAW? And perform Salaat for the remembrance of the LAW?

                          How can the LAW say "I AM THE LAW"?

                          Brother, I tried as you said, and I could not find even a single aayat fits as you claim. Can you please answer the questions I made above, please no twisting of words, just simple Cut-To-The-Point answer.

                          Awaiting your details reply on this.

                          May Allah help you understand and accept the truth and guide us all to His only path pr
                          Mohammed M. Khan

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                            OK, let me try.

                            11
                            11 In the name of LAW, the Almighty, the Merciful.

                            Is LAW also 'AlRahmaan' and 'AlRaheem'?

                            12
                            12 The Praise be to LAW, Lord of the worlds.

                            LAW has to be praised? And is LAW also a Lord of the worlds?

                            220
                            220 The lightning nearly snatches their sight, whenever it lights the path they walk in it, and when it becomes dark for them they stand. Had LAW willed, He would have taken their hearing and their sight; LAW is capable of all things.

                            And if LAW wills? LAW can take your hearing and sight? LAW is capable of all things? Oh Allah, help us.

                            255
                            255 And you said O Moses, we will not believe you until we see LAW openly! So the lightning strike took you while you were still staring.

                            Why lightning strike the those who ask Musa (AS) to show them the LAW openly?

                            274
                            274 Then your hearts became hardened after that, they became like stone or even harder; but even from stone there are rivers that burst forth, and from them are those that crack so that the water comes forth, and from them are what descends from concern towards LAW; and LAW is not unaware of what you do.

                            From stones fall down for fear of the LAW? LAW is aware of everything we do?

                            2116
                            2116 And they said LAW has taken a son! Be He glorified. To Him is all that is in the heavens and the earth, all are dutiful to Him.

                            They said LAW has taken a son?? Oh please! Is everything in heavens and earth belongs to the LAW?

                            2159
                            2159 Surely those who conceal what We have sent down to them of the clarities and the guidance, after We Had made it clear for the people in the Book; these will be cursed by LAW and be cursed by those who curse.

                            Those are cursed by the LAW? How could LAW curse anyone?

                            564
                            564 And the Jews said The hand of LAW is tied-down! Their hands will be tied-down, and they will be cursed for what they have said. No, His hands are wide open spending as He wills. And for many of them, what has been sent down to you will increase them in rebellion and rejection; and We have cast between them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. Every time they ignite the fire of war, LAW puts it out; and they seek to make corruption in the land; and LAW does not love the corrupters.

                            LAW's hand is tied-down, they say? Oh! LAW's hands are widely open and IT spends how IT wills? Oh comm'on, this is enough. And also LAW does not love the corrupters?

                            695
                            695 Indeed LAW is the splitter of the seeds and the grains; He brings the living out from the dead and He brings the dead out from the living. Such is the LAW; so why are you deluded?

                            LAW can split seeds and grains? Wow! I was not knowing it. And LAW can brings the living out of dead and also brings the dead out of living? SUCH IS THE LAW? hmm

                            2014
                            2014 I am LAW, there is no god except Me, so serve Me and hold the contact prayer for My remembrance.

                            Wowww! I AM THE LAW, hey btw how will translate the other part "there is no ilaha/god except ME " or "there is no law except ME "? Serve the LAW? And perform Salaat for the remembrance of the LAW?

                            How can the LAW say "I AM THE LAW"?

                            Brother, I tried as you said, and I could not find even a single aayat fits as you claim. Can you please answer the questions I made above, please no twisting of words, just simple Cut-To-The-Point answer.

                            Awaiting your details reply on this.

                            May Allah help you understand and accept the truth and guide us all to His only path pr
                            Mohammed M. Khan

                            Hhaahahahhahahahhah! It's useless, these ignorants wont change their mind, your post was only valuable to make me laugh lol rotfl

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                              rahenijaat1
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                              Peace!

                              loxbox13

                              Is "The Law" without a "Law-Maker"???

                              Can you name a country where there is "Law", but no "Law-makers"?

                              Do you accept there is a Creator of this universe, and He is The Law-Maker.

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                                Peace!

                                loxbox13

                                Is "The Law" without a "Law-Maker"???

                                Can you name a country where there is "Law", but no "Law-makers"?

                                Do you accept there is a Creator of this universe, and He is The Law-Maker.

                                Creator is first cause.
                                Creator will be last effect.

                                Look to the beginning of time, and there you shall find your creator in all "his" glory.
                                Look to the end of time and you will find your creator in even more glory.

                                Lawmaker IS law.

                                Open your eyes and look beyond the dualities.

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                                  Salam and Peace!

                                  Creator is first cause.
                                  Creator will be last effect.

                                  Look to the beginning of time, and there you shall find your creator in all "his" glory.
                                  Look to the end of time and you will find your creator in even more glory.

                                  Lawmaker IS law.

                                  Open your eyes and look beyond the dualities.

                                  My Creator is also your Creator.

                                  Lawmaker is not Law.
                                  He is The Maker of Law.
                                  The Law Maker made The Law.

                                  There is Law.-----Because there is A Law Maker.
                                  If there had been no Law Maker,-----there would have been no Law.

                                  Do you accept Al-Quran as The Book of Law of The Creator, Sustainer, Administrator, Manager, Ruler and The Law-Maker of the universe and the mankind.

                                  No where in The Book of Law, Allah declares that He is The Law.

                                  Allah, indeed, has declared Himself The Only Source of Law.

                                  "Shall I seek OTHER THAN ALLAH as A Source of Law, when He has revealed THIS BOOK FULLY DETAILED? ....The Word of your Lord is COMPLETE, in Truth and Justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words; He is The Hearer, The Omniscient. Yet, if you obey the majority of people, they will take you away from The Path of Allah (Al-Quraan alone). That is because they follow CONJECTURE, and they fail to think." (Al-Anaam114-116)

                                  Please contemplate

                                  ---"Shall I seek OTHER THAN ALLAH as A Source of Law"---
                                  Allah, The Source of Law---and---The Law-----Not one thing.

                                  ---"The Word of your Lord is COMPLETE"---
                                  Lord---and---His Words-----Not one thing.

                                  ---"Nothing shall abrogate His words"---
                                  His (The Lord)---and---Words-----Not one thing.---It didn't say, "Nothing can abrogate Him"

                                  Peace again!

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                                    Creator is first cause.
                                    Creator will be last effect.

                                    Look to the beginning of time, and there you shall find your creator in all "his" glory.
                                    Look to the end of time and you will find your creator in even more glory.

                                    Lawmaker IS law.

                                    Open your eyes and look beyond the dualities.

                                    I still haven't received an answer to my question.

                                    In Surah 114, why does the Qur'an tell me to seek refuge in the Ilah, or God, of mankind?

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                                      Salam and Peace, brother!

                                      I still haven't received an answer to my question.

                                      In Surah 114, why does the Qur'an tell me to seek refuge in the Ilah, or God, of mankind?

                                      One who fabricates "non-Quranic philosophies" from his own desires, like the sufees did/do,-----will never quote from Al-Quran.

                                      If you read the sufees of the ummah, and their witchcraft, you will come to know these sort of non-Quranic things. Maulana Jalaluddin Roomi, Abdul Qadir Jilani, Ali Hijwari, etc.

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                                        2262 - That is because Allah - He is the Reality/Absolute Truth; and those besides Him whom they invoke,- they are but vain Falsehood verily Allah is He, Most High, Most Great.

                                        In this verse ALLAH is defined to be al-haqq, the sure truth.

                                        In chapter 21 ALLAH states that the universe has been created to distinguish TRUTH from falsehood.

                                        In many chapters it is said that the universe has been created with TRUTH.

                                        Chapter 24, verse 35 - ALLAH is the LIGHT of the universe. Not "like the light". ALLAH IS the light.

                                        Chapter 24, verse 1 - This surah contains CLEAR verses so that you may be admonished

                                        In physics we have found that the universe is an information superstructure and that it is constructed with TRUTH. In binary, a 1 value signifies TRUE, a 0 value signifies FALSE.

                                        If I were to write an essay on this explaining exactly how and why I came to this understanding, I can. However you WILL plug your ears in and fail to read it. I have experienced absolute union with my creator on numerous occasions and those experiences are all I need to tell me I am on a right path.

                                        Look beyond the words and the semantics.

                                        Why does it tell you to seek refuge in the GOD of mankind? Because there is a God of mankind. This God of mankind is the LIGHT of the universe. The LIGHT in this universe is responsible for the mediation of all things, ALL things. The speed of light is limitless relative to us and ALLAH's word comes in the blink of an eye.

                                        I am not here to make up bullshit, I am piecing together profound breakthroughs in the world of physics and I find that al-quran got through to describing them many years ago.

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                                          2262 - That is because Allah - He is the Reality/Absolute Truth; and those besides Him whom they invoke,- they are but vain Falsehood verily Allah is He, Most High, Most Great.

                                          In this verse ALLAH is defined to be al-haqq, the sure truth.

                                          In chapter 21 ALLAH states that the universe has been created to distinguish TRUTH from falsehood.

                                          In many chapters it is said that the universe has been created with TRUTH.

                                          Chapter 24, verse 35 - ALLAH is the LIGHT of the universe. Not "like the light". ALLAH IS the light.

                                          Chapter 24, verse 1 - This surah contains CLEAR verses so that you may be admonished

                                          In physics we have found that the universe is an information superstructure and that it is constructed with TRUTH. In binary, a 1 value signifies TRUE, a 0 value signifies FALSE.

                                          If I were to write an essay on this explaining exactly how and why I came to this understanding, I can. However you WILL plug your ears in and fail to read it. I have experienced absolute union with my creator on numerous occasions and those experiences are all I need to tell me I am on a right path.

                                          Look beyond the words and the semantics.

                                          Why does it tell you to seek refuge in the GOD of mankind? Because there is a God of mankind. This God of mankind is the LIGHT of the universe. The LIGHT in this universe is responsible for the mediation of all things, ALL things. The speed of light is limitless relative to us and ALLAH's word comes in the blink of an eye.

                                          I am not here to make up bullshit, I am piecing together profound breakthroughs in the world of physics and I find that al-quran got through to describing them many years ago.

                                          And again, why, in Surah 114 does the "All Law" tell me to take refuge in the Ilah, or God, of mankind?

                                          I can keep repeating my question until one of you guys answer it.

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