Allah is not god, nor the god and has noting to do with the word god
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2262 - That is because Allah - He is the Reality/Absolute Truth; and those besides Him whom they invoke,- they are but vain Falsehood verily Allah is He, Most High, Most Great.
In this verse ALLAH is defined to be al-haqq, the sure truth.
In chapter 21 ALLAH states that the universe has been created to distinguish TRUTH from falsehood.
In many chapters it is said that the universe has been created with TRUTH.
Chapter 24, verse 35 - ALLAH is the LIGHT of the universe. Not "like the light". ALLAH IS the light.
Chapter 24, verse 1 - This surah contains CLEAR verses so that you may be admonished
In physics we have found that the universe is an information superstructure and that it is constructed with TRUTH. In binary, a 1 value signifies TRUE, a 0 value signifies FALSE.
If I were to write an essay on this explaining exactly how and why I came to this understanding, I can. However you WILL plug your ears in and fail to read it. I have experienced absolute union with my creator on numerous occasions and those experiences are all I need to tell me I am on a right path.
Look beyond the words and the semantics.
Why does it tell you to seek refuge in the GOD of mankind? Because there is a God of mankind. This God of mankind is the LIGHT of the universe. The LIGHT in this universe is responsible for the mediation of all things, ALL things. The speed of light is limitless relative to us and ALLAH's word comes in the blink of an eye.
I am not here to make up bullshit, I am piecing together profound breakthroughs in the world of physics and I find that al-quran got through to describing them many years ago.
And again, why, in Surah 114 does the "All Law" tell me to take refuge in the Ilah, or God, of mankind?
I can keep repeating my question until one of you guys answer it.
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So that you can be protected from the whisperings of that which whispers. Please read the verses directly after that verse before asking such a question.
If you would like to discuss this in a more logical fashion, I am all ears. I am not here to deny the existence of a "God".
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And again, why, in Surah 114 does the "All Law" tell me to take refuge in the Ilah, or God, of mankind?
I can keep repeating my question until one of you guys answer it.
I seek Help with Rabb of men, the possessor of men, the law of men, from the evil of the subliminal words that are hidden, the one who whispers in the minds of men, from the hidden and seen men.
this is how I read this surah !
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Peace OPF
Do you believe in the concept of union ?I am He? as some experience it through meditation?
Do you believe that universe is God?s Body?
Asana
The universe, what do you mean by the universe? Do you mean that which has a horizon, a definite boundary? The mathematical definition of "infinity" is "that with no limits". No endpoint if you look to the end, no beginning point if you look to the beginning. If you mean THE universe as in all possible things that exist, then yes, it is God's "body". It is his "mind", it is his "soul". Yet none of these things is God attached to - God is above all human description. Being the originator, all things come from THE creator. It says in the quran that his are the most beautiful names, and this is indeed the only way you can touch God with a name.
Yes, the "I am He" experience. To feel this, you must let go of all your preconceptions and see reality with clarity. One has this clarity at birth, thus is one born a muslim, one who surrenders. And the "I am He" experience is written in the quran in such a way - "you do not will except as ALLAH wills" (7630, 8129). I recommend Alan Watt's book "The Book On The Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are". It does a fairly perfect job of explaining this.
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The universe, what do you mean by the universe? Do you mean that which has a horizon, a definite boundary? The mathematical definition of "infinity" is "that with no limits". No endpoint if you look to the end, no beginning point if you look to the beginning. If you mean THE universe as in all possible things that exist, then yes, it is God's "body". It is his "mind", it is his "soul". Yet none of these things is God attached to - God is above all human description. Being the originator, all things come from THE creator. It says in the quran that his are the most beautiful names, and this is indeed the only way you can touch God with a name.
Yes, the "I am He" experience. To feel this, you must let go of all your preconceptions and see reality with clarity. One has this clarity at birth, thus is one born a muslim, one who surrenders. And the "I am He" experience is written in the quran in such a way - "you do not will except as ALLAH wills" (7630, 8129). I recommend Alan Watt's book "The Book On The Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are". It does a fairly perfect job of explaining this.
Interesting concepts OPF. I will check the book out looks interesting but just a quick question about your reference of Allah being the light; How does this tie in with 1124 where "none is like him/equal to him." If Allah is merely the Light then in my understanding there's a contradiction because then the Light would be like him because the light is part of a creation.
PEACE
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There isn't a single thing that can be like "no thing", does that make sense? ALLAH is no thing. My understanding is that what was there at the beginning of time is "ALLAH" and likewise that which will exist at the end of time is "ALLAH". If you look towards either end, you will find that what is there ceases to be physically describable in any way shape or form. All we can say is that it is one.
A clue is here in this verse
61 -All praise is due to Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth and made the darkness and the light...
With ALLAH, there is only one. With creation, there is always duality. My line of thinking is that ALLAH is the only thing that actually exists. We are a fleeting dream. Another clue
5526 - All that is on earth will perish
5527 - But will abide (for ever) the Face of thy Lord,- full of Majesty, Bounty and Honour.The energy that creates this universe could have been shaped any which way that ALLAH pleased. In truth, this universe is a collective creation. All particles have their individual piece to contribute but ALLAH has the final say. Look up the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics.
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Yes, the "I am He" experience. To feel this, you must let go of all your preconceptions and see reality with clarity. One has this clarity at birth, thus is one born a muslim, one who surrenders. And the "I am He" experience is written in the quran in such a way - "you do not will except as ALLAH wills" (7630, 8129). I recommend Alan Watt's book "The Book On The Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are". It does a fairly perfect job of explaining this.
Anybody here study the LSD situation in the 60s? Alan Watts was there. Anybody notice that lots of people who have used hallucinogens come up with the same convictions? that their minds stream into panentheism, nonduality work, Buddhism? Wikipedia tells me Sufiism is where you go for nonduality from Islamic traditions.
Looking forward to comments...
Peace,
--Debbie
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Anybody here study the LSD situation in the 60s? Alan Watts was there. Anybody notice that lots of people who have used hallucinogens come up with the same convictions? that their minds stream into panentheism, nonduality work, Buddhism? Wikipedia tells me Sufiism is where you go for nonduality from Islamic traditions.
Looking forward to comments...
Peace,
--Debbie
Yeah, and there are obviously two potential explanations 1) There is something about hallucinogens and their effect on neurochemistry that brings about specific consistent effects in the user, though not 'real' in the objective sense or 2) Hallucinogens actually open the user up to free-standing realities; consistency is there because users are tapping into an actual reality.
Hard to say which is more valid. Many hallucinogen users are certainly convinced it's #2, that's for sure.
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Peace
I wonder what would be the answer of those who believe in nonduality to the below verse?
Do you not realize that GOD knows everything in the heavens and everything on earth? No three people can conspire secretly without Him being their fourth, nor five without Him being the sixth, nor less than that, nor more, without Him being there with them wherever they may be. Then, on the Day of Resurrection, He will inform them of everything they had done. GOD is fully aware of all things.
Asana
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Peace
I wonder what would be the answer of those who believe in nonduality to the below verse?
Do you not realize that GOD knows everything in the heavens and everything on earth? No three people can conspire secretly without Him being their fourth, nor five without Him being the sixth, nor less than that, nor more, without Him being there with them wherever they may be. Then, on the Day of Resurrection, He will inform them of everything they had done. GOD is fully aware of all things.
Asana
That's a very interesting point you raise up here. Every single time I have read this verse, I've always wondered why it chooses to say "no three people" or "nor five" rather than for instance "no two people". The killer sticking point of the quran is that it is perfectly precise with its wording each and every time.
The way I've thought about it is that if you're holding a meeting for example in a room, then the walls are witness to your doings. If you are in a forest, there are trees around to witness your presence. Everything leaves a vanishingly small imprint on everything else.
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OPF
if you're holding a meeting for example in a room, then the walls are witness to your doings. If you are in a forest, there are trees around to witness your presence?
Sorry, there is flaw in your understanding/interpretation there?.There are so many things around us .it?s not only the walls in the room or trees in the forest when we are there.
You missed a very crucial and important point in the verse where it says ?nor less than that, nor more??This statement cancels out what you say. God is talking about His presence separately from His Creatures.
Asana
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OPF
Sorry, there is flaw in your understanding/interpretation there?.There are so many things around us .it?s not only the walls in the room or trees in the forest when we are there.
You missed a very crucial and important point in the verse where it says ?nor less than that, nor more??This statement cancels out what you say. God is talking about His presence separately from His Creatures.
Asana
Thanks.
I hold the quran above any "ism" or "ity" regardless. And indeed the quran does keep the concept "ALLAH" far separate from the concept "creation". The verse you cited isn't the only example, the one where Moses approaches a burning fire is even more striking in this regard. I am under the preconception that ALLAH is a term that refers to the whole of consciousness. If you imagine a massive ocean of consciousness, every individual wave can speak but the entire ocean can speak as one and it will have a mind of its own, some waves will agree and other waves will disagree.
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Peace OPF
4015-" (God) Possessor of the highest degrees, and Ruler of the whole dominion. He sends inspiration, bearing His commands, to whomever He chooses from among His servants, to warn about the Day of Summoning."
God is Rafii Al-Daragat.It means God posses the Highest Degrees. The GV of Rafii is 360.
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The literal translation of 8520 is But Allah from behind them encompasses.
Putting these two verses together teaches that God Encompass everything in the universe.
The allegory of God?s Power is a circle encompassing everything. This gives me a concept that universe is not body of God and every particle is not part of His body. Encompassing doesn?t mean being part of it.
Universe has the starting and expiring point .It means it?s finite. Therefore how is it possible God posses such an attribution?
Do the unbelievers not realize that the heaven and the earth used to be one solid mass that we exploded into existence? And from water we made all living things. Would they believe?
841-The time will come when the sky is ruptured.
842-It will submit to its Lord and expire.,If you imagine a massive ocean of consciousness, every individual wave can speak but the entire ocean can speak as one and it will have a mind of its own, some waves will agree and other waves will disagree.
I?ve heard such a statement. This concept could be right on two conditions, 1- the universe was infinite not finite, 2-every single wave had the same quality as the other waves since it emanates from God/The source of waves. And this doesn?t apply too.
Every single time I have read this verse, I've always wondered why it chooses to say "no three people" or "nor five" rather than for instance "no two people".
Maybe the even numbers have some thing to do with 360 too...360 divided by 4=90
360 divided by 6=60??Is there any connection there? Is God telling us something there? I don?t know.Regarding 587 ,God is The Beginning/First. If He says you are one then He is two?...He doesn't say that .is it because It doesn?t befit Him since He?s always the First?
If He says you are 2 then He is 3?He doesn't say that too.Is it because of He posses the Hightes Degree?Because of the even number?He encompass everything?
It?s interesting to know that in the Quran the even number has been used for bringing the witnesses for adultery and financial transaction.
May God increase our knowledge?
Asana -
Salaam all,
Maybe the even numbers have some thing to do with 360 too...360 divided by 4=90
360 divided by 6=60??Is there any connection there? Is God telling us something there? I don?t know.Regarding 587 ,God is The Beginning/First. If He says you are one then He is two?...He doesn't say that .is it because It doesn?t befit Him since He?s always the First?
If He says you are 2 then He is 3?He doesn't say that too.Is it because of He posses the Hightes Degree?Because of the even number?He encompass everything?
It?s interesting to know that in the Quran the even number has been used for bringing the witnesses for adultery and financial transaction.
Interestingly the following aayat also used such number, don't know why.
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1822 They will say Three, the fourth is their dog. And they say Five, the sixth is their dog, guessing at what they do not know. And they say Seven, and the eighth is their dog. Say My Lord is fully aware of their number, none know them except for a few. So do not argue regarding them except with proof, and do not seek information regarding them from anyone.
May Allah increase us all in knowledge and guide us all to His path pr
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Allah is not god, nor the god and has noting to do with the word god
Wahdat-ul-Wajood---Mysticism---Mysticism is Mystery---This Mysticism is Witchcraft, Sehar, Jadoo, Sorcery!
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Peace, Asana,
I get the "body of God" thing from verses such as 2435. But these are metaphors, I hope nobody actually thinks God has a "body". The more you try to explain what "God" is, the more lost you will get. This is because all things come from original causer so to explain original causer in terms of anything will never do it justice.
Also we need to be strict with our definitions. "The universe" and "God" are both vague terms because they both have so many different meanings. I use "the universe" to refer to existence in its entirety and I conclude that it does not have a beginning or an end because we delve into silly paradoxes if we take that viewpoint. However, "heaven and earth" definitely had a beginning.
To give it an analogy, you had a beginning and you will have an end, if you consider "you" to be the human body alone. But if you consider yourself as part of everything in the same way cells make up your body and die all the time, your true self does not have a beginning or an end.
Anything with a boundary is not infinite, because infinite means "without boundaries/limits". I'm looking at the vast boundaryless universe of which our universe exists as a little bubble inside. We can only see what's inside this bubble, that's our limit. What happens outside this limit is part of the unseen. And God knows the seen and the unseen.
As for citing 841/2, refer then to 11105. The context of 841 is talking about the last day, then 11105 talks about what happens on that day. If we refer to verses 107 and 108 then we see that the creator doesn't state that the heaven and earth will end, but that it may, the condition being that it will exist for as long as it exists.
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Salam and Peace!
I am under the preconception that ALLAH is a term that refers to the whole of consciousness. If you imagine a massive ocean of consciousness, every individual wave can speak but the entire ocean can speak as one and it will have a mind of its own, some waves will agree and other waves will disagree.
It is Wahdat-ul-Wajood!