For the upcoming documantery film
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You are only exposing your ignorance and arrogance. If you continue this attitude, which people like you in the past have repeated(see 2212; 610; 113 you will end up saying what is prophecized in 3956.
Edip
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Edip,
Good luck with the documentary film.. and it's great that you include the skeptic's opinion in the film as well..
I don't share your opinion on the "code 19 and/or mathematical miracle" nevertheless I respect your right for dissenting opinion.It could be great to highlight the 'intolerance' which resulted in the assassination of the late RK as something that all of us must avoid.
Regardless of the truthfulness on 'existence of mathematical miracle'.. the book actually teach about tolerance, caring and love.. which is the most important message of all..Salam / Peace
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The professional team from Kazakhstan that is making a documentary film on the mathematical code of the Quran is coming to the USA this June and Europe this August. They already shot some scenes in Turkey and Egypt. The graphical component of the film is almost completed.
The crew will interview a list of professors, authors and leading figures on this issue. They also want to add a few artists (painters, musicians) who have witnessed the mathematical structure of the Quran. If you are an artist who had belong to the middle group mentioned in prophetic verse 7431, or you know one, please contact Edip Yuksel.
My list for interviews includes a few skeptics too, such as Michael Shermer of Skeptic Society, Richard Dawkins. I would like to add the Mahdi too in the list of antagonistic characters, of course it depends if he can come out of his hole. I would also like to add the other hidden antagonist, our friend Ayman; but he may have agoraphobia besides 19-phobia )
Edip
Peace be upon you!
Doc Holiday Credat Judaeus Apella, non ego
"Let the Jew Apella believe it; not I". Taken from an old poem by Horace of people try to convince travelers of miracles happening at their shrines; they reply with disbelief and that they should go tell their foolish stories to someone else.Perhaps invite the infactuated with all things 18 to participate as well.
http//www.jewfaq.org/alephbet.htm
18 is very significant because it is the numerical value of the word Chai, meaning life.
Jews often give gifts and donations in multiples of 18 which is called "giving chai".OK let's see if it works without 9128-129
ch v
1 7
2 286
3 200
4 176
5 120
6 165
7 206
8 75
9 127
10 109
11 123
12 111
13 43
14 52
15 99
16 128
17 111
18 110
19 98
20 135
21 112
22 78
23 118
24 64
25 77
26 227
27 93
28 88
29 69
30 60
31 34
32 30
33 73
34 54
35 45
36 83
37 182
38 88
39 75
40 85
41 54
42 53
43 89
44 59
45 37
46 35
47 38
48 29
49 18
50 45
51 60
52 49
53 62
54 55
55 78
56 96
57 29
58 22
59 24
60 13
61 14
62 11
63 11
64 18
65 12
66 12
67 30
68 52
69 52
70 44
71 28
72 28
73 20
74 56
75 40
76 31
77 50
78 40
79 46
80 42
81 29
82 19
83 36
84 25
85 22
86 17
87 19
88 26
89 30
90 20
91 15
92 21
93 11
94 8
95 8
96 19
97 5
98 8
99 8
100 11
101 11
102 8
103 3
104 9
105 5
106 4
107 7
108 3
109 6
110 3
111 5
112 4
113 5
114 66555 6234 = 3642013 x 18!
ch, v sequence is multiple of 18!
17 2286 3200 4176 5120 6165 7206 875 9127 101091112312111134314521599161281711118110199820135211122278231182464257726227 2793 288829693060313432303373345435453683371823888397540854154425343894459453746354738482949185045516052495362545555785696 5729
58225924601361146211631164186512661267306852695270447128722873207456754076317750784079468042812982198336842585228617 8719
88268930902091159221931194895896199759889981001110111102810331049105510641077108310961103111511241135 1146= 18 x ...
flip v & ch columns and see that the sequence is still multiple of 18!
71 2862 2003 1764 1205 1656 2067 758 1279 109101231111112431352149915128161111711018981913520112217822118236424772522726 9327
882869296030343130327333543445358336182378838753985405441534289435944374535463847294818494550605149526253555478559656 2957
22582459136014611162116318641265126630675268526944702871287220735674407531765077407846794280298119823683258422851786 1987
26883089209015912192119389489519965978988991110011101810231039104510541067107310861093110511141125113 6114= 18 x ...
likewise ch, v, ch+v sequence is a multiple of 18!
178 2286288 3200203 4176180 5120125 6165171 7206213 87583 9127136 10109119111231341211112313435614526615991141612814417111128 18110128
199811720135155211121332278100231181412464882577102262272532793120288811629699830609031346532306233731063454883545803683119 37182219
38881263975114408512541549542539543891324459103453782463581473885482977491867504595516011152491015362115545510955781335696152 572986
5822805924836013736114756211736311746418826512776612786730976852120695212170441147128997228100732093745613075401157631107 7750127
7840118794612580421228129110821910183361198425109852210786171038719106882611489301199020110911510692211139311104948102958103 9619115
9751029881069981071001111110111112102811010331061049113105511010641101077114108311110961151103113111511611241161135118 1146120= 18 x ...
flip v & ch, ch+v and see sequence is still multiple of 18!
71828622882003203176418012051251656171206721375883127913610910119123111341111212343135652146699151141281614411117128 11018128
981911713520155112211337822100118231416424887725102227262539327120882811669299860309034316530326273331065434884535808336119
1823721988381267539114854012554419553429589431325944103374582354681384785294877184967455095605111149521016253115555410978551339656152295786
22588024598313607314617511627311637418648212657712667830679752681205269121447011428719928721002073935674130407511531761075077127
40781184679125428012229811101982101368311925841092285107178610319871062688114308911920901101591106219211311931048941028951031996115
59710289810689910711100111111011128102110310310691041135105110410611071071143108111610911531101135111116411211651131186114120= 18 x ...
copy/paste digits into miracle calulator divide by 18 to verify...
http//www.markknowsnothing.com/cgi-bin/calculator.php
pretty cool huh?
peace
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OK let's see if it works without 9128-129
ch v
1 7
2 286
3 200
4 176
.........
.........
.........
112 4
113 5
114 66555 6234 = 3642013 x 18!
The above manipulation is from me, just to save space!
Dear,
There seems to be a "clever" cheating with your count! You intentionally missed the 112 UNNUMBERED BISMILLAAH verses!
6234+112=6346=19X334!
SO, you did manipulate your numbers, Didn't you, you little devil?!! >D ;D
Peace,
Khalil -
The above manipulation is from me, just to save space!
Dear,
There seems to be a "clever" cheating with your count! You intentionally missed the 112 UNNUMBERED BISMILLAAH verses!
6234+112=6346=19X334!
SO, you did manipulate your numbers, Didn't you, you little devil?!! >D ;D
Peace,
KhalilI know how simple numerology works and no need for me to manipulate a thing.
Including 112 would mess up their count ? hence excluded.
It?s simple really; if it works include multiple otherwise hide results and move on.
Peace!
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Peace be upon you!
Doc Holiday Credat Judaeus Apella, non ego
"Let the Jew Apella believe it; not I". Taken from an old poem by Horace of people try to convince travelers of miracles happening at their shrines; they reply with disbelief and that they should go tell their foolish stories to someone else.Perhaps invite the infactuated with all things 18 to participate as well.
http//www.jewfaq.org/alephbet.htm
18 is very significant because it is the numerical value of the word Chai, meaning life.
Jews often give gifts and donations in multiples of 18 which is called "giving chai".pretty cool huh?
peace
Well, it looks cool at the first sight, but when you look at it carefully, you will notice arbitrary manipulations and lack of a system.
In the book NINETEEN God's Signature in Nature and Scripture, I have allocated a chapter and a few appendices to distinguish the numerical structure of the Quran from these kinds of innumerate manipulations.
Peace,
Edip -
Well, it looks cool at the first sight, but when you look at it carefully, you will notice arbitrary manipulations and lack of a system.
In the book NINETEEN God's Signature in Nature and Scripture, I have allocated a chapter and a few appendices to distinguish the numerical structure of the Quran from these kinds of innumerate manipulations.
Peace,
EdipNot buying it until you show your best example applied consistently (manipulate all you like) or even simpler please tell us what is nineteen about the shortest chapter 108 and what prevents flipping it with chapter 103 for example?
chv ltrs words
1031 6 1
1032 14 4
1033 51 91081 15 3
1082 12 3
1083 15 4If you cannot then it's pointless to continue. Also, no verse numbers until added years later.
If you disagree then point them out on these old manuscripts which includes 9128-129?http//www.unesco-ci.org/photos/showphoto.php/photo/3355/title/highlights3a-letter-po/cat/837
http//www.unesco-ci.org/photos/data/837/10big.jpg
Copying date 2nd Century
Surah name Surat al Tawba, surat Yunus
Verses number part of 129 from surat al Tawba to 3 and part of 4 from surat YunusQur'an 1st/2nd centuries; Chaper 60 part of verse 4 to 8 and part of 9
http//oi55.tinypic.com/315lukj.jpgPeace!
SEid -- Mr. Holiday
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Saed,
I cannot repeat a book-size debate with you here. If you have any interest in the subject matter you should first look the NINETEEN God's Signature in Nature and Scripture. If you do not wish to order the book from Amazon.com or other online stores, please send me an email I will give you access to its electronic version.As for verse numbers... I am glad that you are researching. But you are not very good at it. At least yet. If you had seen those manuscripts with naked eye, you would see that verses are separated by dots in different colors. In the picture you are showing the dots are too faded to be visible.
Peace.
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I'm not a 19er, but congrats on the making of this documentary bros... I would love to see it ]
p.s.
If it there was a code in the Qur'an, it would be a miracle! Unfortunately, "code 19" is not a code...19ers are spending a lot of time just reaching for stuff in the Qur'an which is divisible by 19.Furthermore, I'm sure, there alot things in the qur'an which are divisible by 21, but we shouldn't delete two of them, just to conform to a common denominator of 19, this is very unscientific.
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Saed,
I cannot repeat a book-size debate with you here. If you have any interest in the subject matter you should first look the NINETEEN God's Signature in Nature and Scripture. If you do not wish to order the book from Amazon.com or other online stores, please send me an email I will give you access to its electronic version.As for verse numbers... I am glad that you are researching. But you are not very good at it. At least yet. If you had seen those manuscripts with naked eye, you would see that verses are separated by dots in different colors. In the picture you are showing the dots are too faded to be visible.
Peace.
Edip, you can show one example (your best) or simply answer the question about switching ch 108 and 103?
Only dots are red/green hamza markings (not sure if you count them); can't see any verse end/begin dots...
http//oi56.tinypic.com/30wv71x.jpg
http//oi51.tinypic.com/5n7ode.jpg
http//oi53.tinypic.com/nycx2t.jpgPeace
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please tell us what is nineteen about the shortest chapter 108 and what prevents flipping it with chapter 103 for example?
good question... but dont wait for this kurdish american creature to answer it because he hasnt got any answer as you also know..
yet don't forget that your question is still unable to disprove the existence of 19 miracle, but only shows that there is no "single math. system of Quran" which detects any kind of distortion in it...
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Salaam ggg,
Edip is not a creature, he is a good man who has passionate views, personal insults demonstrate you are of a far lower order than he, I do not have any interest at all in the number nineteen, and find the idea pointless in light of understanding the concepts of Islam better, but would not insult, attack or riddicule anyone who found solace in a number. Why do you?
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Salaam ggg,
Edip is not a creature, he is a good man who has passionate views, personal insults demonstrate you are of a far lower order than he, I do not have any interest at all in the number nineteen, and find the idea pointless in light of understanding the concepts of Islam better, but would not insult, attack or riddicule anyone who found solace in a number. Why do you?
That is because ggg is a pretentious ignorant who is probably trying to let off his life's frustrations on this forum, as seen in other threads...
ggg,
Create something useful before you blatantly and shallowly insult someone because of their race. At least try to provide some valid points against Edip's points.4913 O people, We created you from a male and female, and We made you into nations and tribes, that you may come to know one another. Surely, the most honorable among you in the sight of God is the most righteous. God is knowledgeable, ever-aware.
3022 Among His signs are the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and your colors. In that are signs for the world.
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Yes. hmm
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It does not take much study or research to learn that the oldest available manuscripts had indeed separated the verses with marks. Through my discussion on this subject I have seen the combination of three characteristics of the ingrates Ignorance, prejudice and arrogance. When it is only ignorance there is cure; when they are shown the evidence they correct themselves. However, whenever ignorance is combined with prejudice and especially with arrogance, there is no cure; the ingrates will never be able to witness clear divine signs. It has been the law in the past, now and in the future. Please read verse 7146 and reflect on it.
I am attaching a few pages from Tashkent and Sana copies. I do not have more time to indulge in unending debate on this issue.
Below you will see the separation marks between 420, 421, 422.
http//C\Documents and Settings\Edip Yuksel\My Documents\My Pictures\Quran\Tashkent\172.gif
Below you will see separation marks between 362, 363, 364
http//C\Documents and Settings\Edip Yuksel\My Documents\My Pictures\Quran\Tashkent\102.gif
Below you will see separation marks between 5100, 5101
http//C\Documents and Settings\Edip Yuksel\My Documents\My Pictures\Quran\Tashkent\234.gif
Below you will see separation marks between 657, 658
http//C\Documents and Settings\Edip Yuksel\My Documents\My Pictures\Quran\Tashkent\273.gif
Below is the SANA manuscript and several vers marks can be seen between verse 443 to verse 448
http//C\Documents and Settings\Edip Yuksel\My Documents\My Pictures\Quran\Quran Sana\102092C.bmp