What to say on the food?
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Salaam brother
You agree with the words that I gave you from the aayaats, but how can I agree with you without any word or an aayat? You made two points above , but your point is NOT clear enough as I made my point brother. Please think about it, what could be the purpose of saying something indirect in 6118 and 6121 instead of saying it straight away.
Having read the relevant verses, I do not share your approach that the indirect wording of verses 6118 and 6121 only could imply that they can not refer to the eaters themselves and can refer only to the moment of slaughtering the animal.
As said before, I miss in this verse the wording - the meat of the live-stock as is mentioned in verse 2234. The subject of verses 6118 and 6121 seems to be eating in general.
The purpose of the indirect wording might be - that the name of God can be mentioned over the food by one person for a whole group before the actual moment of eating - as a form of grace for the food that is provided by the Creator.2461 is a big aayat about food and eating in our relatives and friends houses, but "eating only halaal" is absent in this aayat, so what does it mean? Can we eat even if they cook pork?
There are always relations in between aayaats, you have to relate each one with another in appropriate way with the SAME usage of words in the aayaats.The subject of verse 2461 is that believers may eat with family or friends, there is not a restriction that they have to be muslims.
The issue is not the type of food that is allowed - the restrictions on food remain valid for muslims - except in case one is forced, verse 53.
From this I see no binding linkage between verse 6118 and verse 2234.Do you think it is possible? We have already taken a try on this, it is impossible to find any food in my place that comes without idol worship . And it is not possible for every single person to grow and harvest his own food and Allah knows this all. By His grace and blessing, he never prohibit other food except animals if Allah's name is not taken on it.
The food that is dedicated to an idol is forbidden according to verse 53.
I can not know the circumstances that you are in - but it seems not to be a problem when idol-worshippers harvest any food - as long it has not been dedicated to an idol by bringing it on an altar.
It depends on the definition of -being dedicated to-.
As there is commercial agriculture by idolworshippers - also the harvest of the idolworshippers can be -halal- to eat.
But if for instance the fruit is picked especially to be dedicated to an idol and one knows or should know this - it is adviced not to eat it because of verse 53. According to the same verse, in case of force majeure one can be forgiven.Quote
The mentioning of the name of God is not due on products that are being harvested,
That does not mean that the name of God should not be mentioned on them before they are eaten.
In in my opinion the name of God has to be mentioned on the food in general, also on the meat, even when one is 100% sure that before the slaughtering the name has been mentioned on the living animal.
This seems to be the safest way of reading verse 6118. end quotePlease answer me for the highlighted part above. How did you get to that conclusion? We are not allowed to put words in the mouth of Allah nor we can correct what is said in AlQuraan brother. He knows everything and clearly mentioned everything separately. Please think about it, we cannot twist the words of AlQuraan to fit our understanding, but we have to agree with what is already said, whether we like it or not, we have to agree.
Without twisting any word - I read in verse 6118 that the believer is only allowed to eat something on which the name of God has been mentioned.
That is the literal reading of the verse - for now I see not enough evidence to narrow this verse to the eating of meat of the live-stock.In this case, as said before, it seems to be better to be safe than sorry - it is not hard at all to mention the name of God on any food. It can be a good part of saying grace for the food.
Peace,
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Salaam brother truthseeker171,
Only one question for you.
The subject of verse 2461 is that believers may eat with family or friends, there is not a restriction that they have to be muslims.
The issue is not the type of food that is allowed - the restrictions on food remain valid for muslims - except in case one is forced, verse 53.How can you relate this? Please clarify. "The restrictions on food remain valid for muslims" This part is absent in 2461, so, you have to relate it with other aayaats, in the same way there is a relation between 6118 and 2234 because both the aayaats talks about "taking the name of Allah". As said before 6141 never asked us of taking the name of Allah while harvest or on food.
Besides this I think we should agree to disagree without offend because...
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548 And We have sent down to you the Book with the truth, authenticating what is between your hands of the Book and superseding it. So judge between them by what Allah has sent down, and do not follow their desires from what has come to you of the truth. For each of you We have made laws, and a structure; and if Allah had willed, He would have made you all one nation, but He tests you with what He has given you; so strive to do good. To Allah you will return all of you, and He will inform you regarding that in which you dispute.May Allah guide us all to His true path and increase us in our knowledge pr
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Salaam brother
How can you relate this? Please clarify. "The restrictions on food remain valid for muslims" This part is absent in 2461, so, you have to relate it with other aayaats, in the same way there is a relation between 6118 and 2234 because both the aayaats talks about "taking the name of Allah". As said before 6141 never asked us of taking the name of Allah while harvest or on food.
Verses 6118 and 2234 both contain the subject of mentioning the name of God, but they are about two different occasions, the mentioning of the Name over the food in general and the mentioning of the Name over the still living animal that is going to be slaughtered.
Verse 2461 and for instance verse 53 have different subjects, the company of the eater and the regulation of the food itself. I do not follow your reasoning that the fact that the regulation of the food remains valid for the believers also if one eats with persons with other food-regulations, that this would cause a binding linkage between verses 6118 and 2234.
Besides this I think we should agree to disagree without offend because...
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548 And We have sent down to you the Book with the truth, authenticating what is between your hands of the Book and superseding it. So judge between them by what Allah has sent down, and do not follow their desires from what has come to you of the truth. For each of you We have made laws, and a structure; and if Allah had willed, He would have made you all one nation, but He tests you with what He has given you; so strive to do good. To Allah you will return all of you, and He will inform you regarding that in which you dispute.This verse is rather about the differences between the peoples of the earlier books and the followers of the Koran - regarding also verse 543 until 547.
May be we disagree on this subject - but I still advice to mention the name of God over any food - not only over the meat from the live-stock.
This seems to be according to the most literal way of reading verse 6118.
It is not hard to do and it is adviced by the Koran to remember God often - verse 3341.Peace,
TruthseekerDisclaimer the study of the Koran is work in progress, every information in any posting on this forum should be controlled by the believers themselves in the best way - verse 1736.