78:33 Full breasted women vs grapes
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Quote from kgwithnob on Yesterday at 091742 PM
Dear Sister Indelwyn,Question/?
Can you show me a verse or verses in The Qur'an that talks about SEXUALITY/GENDER or MARRIAGE/NIKAAHH regarding The HEREAFTER/AL'AAKHIRAH?
But Al-Quran talks about wives.
"Sexuality" and "Nikah" is already in it.For example, when someone says, "She is my wife." It means he made her his wife after Nikah, and he has Sex with her.
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and We coupled them in marriage with beautiful white texture women with big eyes.
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And elevated/honored in ranks companions/wives.It is a fact that We have resurrected/revived them/wives, in the manner of anew creation,
thereby/for reason We made them virgins,
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This is an interesting topic, and this post might start taking the topic a little off-course.
At a gathering of more fundamentalist-minded Muslims, this topic of bounty in Paradise was brought up. The speaker mentioned the wine and the women that would be available to the righteous upon arrival. My initial question was why these activities are considered to be so sinful in the NOW, yet they will be the reward for the Believers in Paradise.
My initial insight was that maybe this behavior is acceptable in Paradise because our physical realm is inherently corrupt. It's not so much the act of zena (spelling?) and boozing that is bad, but the sheer corruption (and by that, our illusory separation from God) that makes it unhealthy. As might be expected, I couldn't get a satisfactory answer as to why the same activities are sinful on Earth, yet a reward in Paradise.
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Greetings and Peace, all group
Please look at the highlighted text
1335 The example of the Paradise which the righteous are promised, is that rivers flow beneath it, and its provisions are continuous as is its shade. Such is the abode of those who were righteous, while the abode of the rejecters is the Fire.
4715 Is the example of the Paradise; that the righteous have been promised with rivers of pure water, and rivers of milk whose taste does not change, and rivers of wine that are delicious for the drinkers, and rivers of strained honey, and for them in it are all kinds of fruits, and a forgiveness from their Lord; like that of those who abide in the Fire, and are given to drink boiling water that cuts-up their intestines?
Paradise will have neither grapes nor full breasted women, ISA. We are given the ~example~ of Paradise only in terms that we can understand. AQ states "example" so that we know that the information is not literal. Paradise is a "good" place to be and hell is a "bad" place to be is the gist of the matter. The specifics are not for our knowledge, except as ALLAH allows.
May ALLAH see fit to guide all seekers.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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Actually I had picked up first part of Post 12 but somehow all was not put in one frame. This was taken from Post 12
Quote from kgwithnob on June 24, 2011, 091742 PM
Dear Sister Indelwyn,Question/?
Can you show me a verse or verses in The Qur'an that talks about SEXUALITY/GENDER or MARRIAGE/NIKAAHH regarding The HEREAFTER/AL'AAKHIRAH?
But Al-Quran talks about wives.
"Sexuality" and "Nikah" is already in it.For example, when someone says, "She is my wife." It means he made her his wife after Nikah, and he has Sex with her.
I attended the question and quoted the Ayat.
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Actually I had picked up first part of Post 12 but somehow all was not put in one frame. This was taken from Post 12
I attended the question and quoted the Ayat.
red highlights above are from me.
Post/Reply #5 is mine, not #12, and because of that you've again misquoted me. The last Three lines in the box you have quoted do not belong to me.
Peace,
Khalil -
red highlights above are from me.
Post/Reply #5 is mine, not #12, and because of that you've again misquoted me. The last Three lines in the box you have quoted do not belong to me.
Peace,
KhalilI have quoted part of reply 12 NOT you, here again is the part of Post 12 on the Board
Salam and Peace!
Quote from kgwithnob on June 24, 2011, 091742 PM
Dear Sister Indelwyn,Question/?
Can you show me a verse or verses in The Qur'an that talks about SEXUALITY/GENDER or MARRIAGE/NIKAAHH regarding The HEREAFTER/AL'AAKHIRAH?
But Al-Quran talks about wives.
"Sexuality" and "Nikah" is already in it.For example, when someone says, "She is my wife." It means he made her his wife after Nikah, and he has Sex with her.
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http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/044.%20Ad%20Dukhan/44.54b.gif
and We coupled them in marriage with beautiful white texture women with big eyes.
4451-59
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/056.%20Al%20Waqeta/56.36.gif
5601-40
And elevated/honored in ranks companions/wives.It is a fact that We have resurrected/revived them/wives, in the manner of anew creation,
thereby/for reason We made them virgins,
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They taste not the death therein, save the first death. And He hath saved them from the doom of hell.
The above verse informs us that, in the Hereafter/AL?AAKHIRAH, and after the Resurrection/QIYAAMAH, we are not going to die anymore, i.e. we will be eternal. In that case, there is no need for reproduction. In that case, there is no need for SEXUAL ACTIVITY/INTERCOURSE. The need for sexual activity/intercourse during the life of this world is just for the species of the LIVING/animal kingdom not to become EXTINCT. The whole issue of SEXUALITY and the reason for its existence is that the living souls, humans included, ALL die according to the life span of their species. According to the evolution, which is the PROCESS of creation, SEXUALITY is the sole vehicle for continuation of life here on Earth.
CONCLUSION There is not going to be any need for SEXUAL ACTIVITY in the Hereafter/AL?AAKHIRA. Companionship? Yes. SEXUALITY and SEXUAL ACTIVITY/INTERCOURSE? NO!
Peace,
Khalil -
CONCLUSION There is not going to be any need for SEXUAL ACTIVITY in the Hereafter/ALAAKHIRA. Companionship? Yes. SEXUALITY and SEXUAL ACTIVITYINTERCOURSE? NO!
I would vey much still like to have sexual contact with my would be spouse, in heaven. Sex is not a bad dirty thing. It is in fact a very "sacred and holy" act, if done right. Its because of this that it is so easy to corrupt into being something truly dirty, the mere contrast of what it can become compared to what it ACTUALLY is.
It is a wonderful expression of love and true intimacy, a lovely gift from God to us. People usually dont have sex with the intention of reproduction. A lot of times though the intentions truly are far away from being pure. -
I would vey much still like to have sexual contact with my would be spouse, in heaven. Sex is not a bad dirty thing. It is in fact a very "sacred and holy" act, if done right. Its because of this that it is so easy to corrupt into being something truly dirty, the mere contrast of what it can become compared to what it ACTUALLY is.
It is a wonderful expression of love and true intimacy, a lovely gift from God to us. People usually dont have sex with the intention of reproduction. A lot of times though the intentions truly are far away from being pure.red highlight above is from me.
You are completely right. "Sex is not a bad dirty thing." As the matter of fact SEX on this planet of ours, i.e. the Earth, is an absolute NECESSITY. It is an EVOLUTIONARY MUST. Just like the food that prevents the INDIVIDUAL from hunger, starvation, and eventually DEATH, SEXUAL ACTIVITY among the male and female members of the LIVING, humans included, prevents the SPECIES from DIEING OUT/EXTINCTION.
Now, the question is, do we PHYSIOLOGICALLY still need the SEXUALITY and SEXUAL ACTIVITY/INTERCOURSE in the Hereafter/AL'AAKHIRA, while being eternal, LIVING FOREVER, i.e. not becoming EXTINCT?
And yes, people usually do not have sex for reproduction. It is like hunger for food, one can call it LUST. Struggle for survival is a better term for it, but it is a subconsciously driven phenomenon. It is what you put it as "a lovely gift from God." It is an evolutionary physiological built-in factor for survival of the LIVING. HUNGER for INDIVIDUAL soul, humans included, and SEXUAL DRIVE/LUST for survival as SPECIES.
Peace,
Khalil -
Im sorry Khalil, but that is a horrible way of looking at it. Things of such beatiful nature are so much more than their separate individual partial functions or the sum of them. It would be like defining our feelings and personalities and eventually our very souls as functions of a chemical balance of seratonin, tryptizol, haldol and whatnot...
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Im sorry Khalil, but that is a horrible way of looking at it. Things of such beatiful nature are so much more than their separate individual partial functions or the sum of them. It would be like defining our feelings and personalities and eventually our very souls as functions of a chemical balance of seratonin, tryptizol, haldol and whatnot...
The Qur?aan is my authority. When it comes to religious guidance and FACT-findings, I do compare everything with The Qur?aan. If I find my comparison compatible with The Qur?aan I go another step forward. Otherwise I discard it.
By the same token, I?ve not been able to find anything in The Qur?aan leading me to conclude that, in the Hereafter/AL?AAKHIRAH, there is going to be MARRIAGE, as in between a man and a woman/NIKAAHH, which leads to CHILD BEARING/REPRODUCTION, the direct consequence of SEXUAL ACTIVITY.
On the other hand, when I study the EVOLUTIONARY CREATION regarding the history of life on Earth in comparison with the Qur?aanic verses, I find them compatible and quite logical.
All I?m trying to get across is that according to The Qur?aan the natural laws governing this very present UNIVERSE seem to be quite different from the UPCOMING NEW UNIVERSE which brings about the LAST DAY/YAWMUL ?AKHIR.
Peace,
Khalil -
All nouns in Arabic are either feminine or masculine. That doesn't mean that they are either woman or man. Countless nouns are not even the names of living things.
Peace,
KhalilI did not say "noun". I said "Pronoun". Pronouns are definite, signifying known object and person in the text. No one says that "dolls are made virgins".
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I did not say "noun". I said "Pronoun". Pronouns are definite, signifying known object and person in the text. No one says that "dolls are made virgins".
I know what you said. Pronouns are used for nouns. Feminine pronouns are used for feminine nouns and masculine ones for masculine nouns. I know that "VIRGINITY" is usually used for the living, especially for humans. On the other hand use of feminine pronoun does not indicate that the subject must necessarily be a WOMAN.
Peace,
Khalil -
Greetings and Peace, all group
Please look at the highlighted text
1335 The example of the Paradise which the righteous are promised, is that rivers flow beneath it, and its provisions are continuous as is its shade. Such is the abode of those who were righteous, while the abode of the rejecters is the Fire.
4715 Is the example of the Paradise; that the righteous have been promised with rivers of pure water, and rivers of milk whose taste does not change, and rivers of wine that are delicious for the drinkers, and rivers of strained honey, and for them in it are all kinds of fruits, and a forgiveness from their Lord; like that of those who abide in the Fire, and are given to drink boiling water that cuts-up their intestines?
Paradise will have neither grapes nor full breasted women, ISA. We are given the ~example~ of Paradise only in terms that we can understand. AQ states "example" so that we know that the information is not literal. Paradise is a "good" place to be and hell is a "bad" place to be is the gist of the matter. The specifics are not for our knowledge, except as ALLAH allows.
May ALLAH see fit to guide all seekers.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
Thank you so much for your post. I went through my Qur'an this weekend and I was reading those two verses you quoted as well as a few other. It seems only in that place is where they speak of this. I don't know Arabic so I may never know the true meaning, but I striving to.
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I would vey much still like to have sexual contact with my would be spouse, in heaven. Sex is not a bad dirty thing. It is in fact a very "sacred and holy" act, if done right. Its because of this that it is so easy to corrupt into being something truly dirty, the mere contrast of what it can become compared to what it ACTUALLY is.
It is a wonderful expression of love and true intimacy, a lovely gift from God to us. People usually dont have sex with the intention of reproduction. A lot of times though the intentions truly are far away from being pure.This is exactly WHY, I find it hurtful and I am trying to sort it out. I want to be with my husband. We have a beautiful and what I consider sacred sharing in love making. Why on earth IF it was say in heaven would I want any other "thing" joining in our blessed union? There is not need to support widows with children. There is not need for reproduction. The sins of lust, hate, anger, jealous and all other nasty things are removed. Either way, thank you all for helping shed some light on this verse. You have no idea how much it is appreciated!
I think the term "virgin" is to show innocence/purity. I have extra virgin olive oil in my kitchen, but that does not mean we are trying to have sex with it. Virgin and sex do not always go together. Are you telling me the Virgin Maryam will be deflowered in heaven? I don't even wanna go there....lol