78:33 Full breasted women vs grapes

Indelwyn

Okay I am trying to tackle an issue that frankly just pisses me off to no end, and as stated in my intro has pushed me very close to just living Islam.

How does one come to this conclusion from Quran? I got this from the answering -christianity website, which thrives on hadith crap.

Let us look at the following Noble Verses from the Noble Quran

"So taste ye (the fruits of your deeds); for no increase shall We grant you, except in Punishment. Verily for the Righteous there will be a fulfilment of (the heart's) desires; Gardens enclosed, and grapevines; Companions of equal age; (The Noble Quran, 7830-33)"

"...Of the Gardens will be Near....In them will be (Maidens), chaste, restraining their glances, whom no Man or Jinn before them has touched. (The Noble Quran, 5554, 56)"

1- The believing wives of the believing husbands will be as beautiful as the maidens or houris in Heaven, and they will be large-eyed maidens for their husbands.

2- The man can choose from any maidens he desires.

3- The single believing men and women who get admitted to Paradise can marry and live happily in Paradise since there will be "husbands" and "wives". See Noble Verses 5220 and 4454 and the comments/analysis about them above.

4- A man can have wives and maidens. A woman can have only one husband. The maidens for the man will be of equal age and are never touched or seen by any man or jinn.

I noticed in the translation here it states
7833 And grapes that are ripe.
Vs
78.33 (Yusuf Ali)
and young full breasted maidens or equal age

Can someone show me how you got grapes? Which actually make more sense in the passage. Anyway I appreciate any help on this. As I said it is a REAL issue for me even though many say I am petty for worrying about such things. However, they have not been hurt they way I have in my childhood and young adulthood by sick lustful men!

Wakas

PM Layth as he is the translator

Paradox_Uncreated

What does really "fulfilment of desires" mean, at that point. I mean here you are training your soul to behave nicely, and eventually one appreciates the ways of God, and maybe has few desires. Maybe none.

So is it maybe just a way of hoping for sex in heaven, when one is miserable, to get shaytans to convert to religion, and leaving this thinking later, or is there actual lovers in heaven?

What do you have to promise a people, to have them remove 360 idols? For the love of the greater good, and annihilation of evil.

Islam in many ways is a roadmap. From idolatry to the praises of God. Im not saying that this neccesarily is untrue though. But doesnt one tire of physical existence? Paradise to me, would seem like the nature of God himself. A kind of nirvana, without wants, timeless, spaceless. All-knowing. Maybe this is where we go when we die? In the mean time, one may experience heaven and/or hell on the way..

TruthBehindIt

What does really "fulfilment of desires" mean, at that point. I mean here you are training your soul to behave nicely, and eventually one appreciates the ways of God, and maybe has few desires. Maybe none.

So is it maybe just a way of hoping for sex in heaven, when one is miserable, to get shaytans to convert to religion, and leaving this thinking later, or is there actual lovers in heaven?

What do you have to promise a people, to have them remove 360 idols? For the love of the greater good, and annihilation of evil.

Islam in many ways is a roadmap. From idolatry to the praises of God. Im not saying that this neccesarily is untrue though. But doesnt one tire of physical existence? Paradise to me, would seem like the nature of God himself. A kind of nirvana, without wants, timeless, spaceless. All-knowing. Maybe this is where we go when we die? In the mean time, one may experience heaven and/or hell on the way..

Salam!

This is your own understandng!

Peace!

Paradox_Uncreated

This is how I am appreciating aspects of Islam these days. I`m thinking of Gabriel, or Mohammed, as a master who truly gained insight into how to change a world.

So there are things in the Quran, that I find hard to believe. Such as Jesus blowing life into a clay bird.
However if this is what was neccesary to state, to remove idolatry, which is the worst form of oppression of human nature, from the world, then it be stated.

I guess one could have a one sentence religion "Consciousness is God" and end there. But that wouldn`t do much. It seems you need the stories, you need the content. You need to make a big impact, and sell the worlds biggest story. You need to make the biggest change in a man, make him believe. In miracles, and eternal life. And all this with the potential result of world peace! That would be the greatest achievement one could do, and self-care, by the immanent God, for the immanent God. And religion is a creation. If a world is created from where there was nothing, surely a few stories can be created aswell..

kgwithnob

1- The believing wives of the believing husbands will be as beautiful as the maidens or houris in Heaven, and they will be large-eyed maidens for their husbands.

2- The man can choose from any maidens he desires.

3- The single believing men and women who get admitted to Paradise can marry and live happily in Paradise since there will be "husbands" and "wives". See Noble Verses 5220 and 4454 and the comments/analysis about them above.

4- A man can have wives and maidens. A woman can have only one husband. The maidens for the man will be of equal age and are never touched or seen by any man or jinn.

Dear Sister Indelwyn,

Question/?

Can you show me a verse or verses in The Qur'an that talks about SEXUALITY/GENDER or MARRIAGE/NIKAAHH regarding The HEREAFTER/AL'AAKHIRAH?

What I meant by the above question is, according to The Qur?an in The Hereafter our physiological/biological structure is going to be quite different from this Earthly one.

In this Earthly life, because of the natural law of ?ENTROPY? which causes the whole material world to age and eventually die out, we need to reproduce, because all living things die according to their life span. Sexuality is an evolutionary phenomenon necessary in serving the needs of Earthly living creatures, not to become extinct as species.

According to The Qur?an, in The Hereafter we will be eternal and will not die at all, so there isn?t going to be any need for reproduction, so there isn?t going to be any need for SEXUAL activity, so there isn?t going to be any need for MARRIAGE/NIKAAHH.

And I personally believe that there isn?t going to be any sexuality, be either ?MALE? or ?FEMALE?.

I am not saying that, the Hereafter is going to be an immaterial realm. What I?m trying to say is that, in the Hereafter our physiological/biological build is going to be different from this very present phase of our existence.

In The Qur?an God Almighty, repeatedly and very frequently, Puts most emphasis on the reality of the Hereafter by vividly describing the Paradise with all kinds of good Earthly like provisions, made readily available for the enjoyment of the believers.

On the other hand, Hell is also described with the most painful Earthly experience, i.e., burning in fire.

According to The Qur?an the Hereafter is the extension of this very present Universe. It is going to evolve out of this very present world. Coming of the Hereafter is not a philosophical opinion. It is a fact. It is an inevitable future event. So it is certainly a real/physical and awesome event.

All I believe is that the governing Natural/PHYSICAL laws of the Hereafter is going to be completely different from the physical laws of this present Universe, and I?m not saying that just out of whim. We read in The Qur?an that in the Hereafter there is no more death, water doesn?t get polluted, and the taste of milk does not change, and so forth.

Peace,
Khalil

TruthBehindIt