Response to a message I received regarding my forum title
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God can teach about the future, if he wills. However Al-khidr wasn`t taught about the future, but he used his mind. He was "taught by the presence of God". Taught to think for himself.
"And We have also sent down unto you the Reminder and the Advice (the Qur'an) that you may explain clearly to the people what has been sent down for them" (An-Nahl 1644)
Your sectarian bias prevents you from seeing this verse as it should be read.
The explanation of the prophet IS The Quran, not hadith.
"you may explain" by "The reminder and advice".To claim that hadith has been protected is simply absurd.
Al Khedr killed a young boy based on his mind???
"So they set out, until when they met a boy, al-Khidh r killed him. said, "Have you killed a pure soul for other than a soul? You have certainly done a deplorable thing."
"As for the ship, it belonged to poor people working at sea. So I intended to cause defect in it as there was after them a king who seized every ship by force."
How did he knew all this details, and moreover
"And as for the boy, his parents were believers, and we feared that he would overburden them by transgression and disbelief.
1881So we intended that their Lord should substitute for them one better than him in purity and nearer to mercy."
And at the end
"And I did it not of my own accord. That is the interpretation of that about which you could not have patience."
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AbdAlRahman You are like Moses, you don`t understand.
The likeness in modern times are death penalty, for extreme lawbreakers.
Or saboteurs under world war, sabotazing nazi ships... and so forth.That requires dynamic thinking, the very thing that makes hadithism absurd.
The reality of Al-Khidrs state though, is something that remains only as knowledge to those who follow God alone, and to enter into the "prescence of God".
And while we are on the topic, sunna contains nothing about such states. So while seekers of God, may come to know such states, regardless of prayer, fasting or other things, you pray your 5 times a day, and know nothing about such states. Who`s prayer is rent vain here?
"Guide us on the right path".
If God is who you love and worship, why is it that you will not surrender your will to his, and see maybe what he has to teach you?
Indeed, God taught Adam the names of all things. And Adam did not follow what you call sunna. And why you will understand, if you only learnt what surrender is about. The very meaning of muslim, and they very aim of Islam.
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God can teach about the future, if he wills. However Al-khidr wasn`t taught about the future, but he used his mind. He was "taught by the presence of God". Taught to think for himself.
"And We have also sent down unto you the Reminder and the Advice (the Qur'an) that you may explain clearly to the people what has been sent down for them" (An-Nahl 1644)
Your sectarian bias prevents you from seeing this verse as it should be read.
The explanation of the prophet IS The Quran, not hadith.
"you may explain" by "The reminder and advice".To claim that hadith has been protected is simply absurd.
Well first The verse is saying "we have also sent down unto you the Reminder that you may explain......"
The advice is from your addition, and that's because you don't know the arabic language, Allah is saying we sent down the reminder, so you can explain to the people what has been sent down to them, so what has been sent down is the Quran, and what explains is the sunna
Allah says
Those who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists were not to be parted until there came to them clear evidence
A Messenger from Allah , reciting purified scriptures
So Allah made the prophet himself is the evidence....
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Mosnad Ahmed
"Verily I have been given the Qur
an and that which is similar to it along with it. Verily it may be that a man will be full and resting on his side and say This Quran is for you what you find in it lawful take as lawful and what you find in it unlawful take as unlawful. Verily ............. the wild beasts with nails/claws are all haraamAnd verily the prophet said the truth, as we can see here people are denying the sunnah, and denying to forbid the meat of wild beasts with claws, as we can see here. just like the prophet said
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AbdAlRahman You are like Moses, you don`t understand.
The likeness in modern times are death penalty, for extreme lawbreakers.
Or saboteurs under world war, sabotazing nazi ships... and so forth.That requires dynamic thinking, the very thing that makes hadithism absurd.
The reality of Al-Khidrs state though, is something that remains only as knowledge to those who follow God alone, and to enter into the "prescence of God".
And while we are on the topic, sunna contains nothing about such states. So while seekers of God, may come to know such states, regardless of prayer, fasting or other things, you pray your 5 times a day, and know nothing about such states. Who`s prayer is rent vain here?
"Guide us on the right path".
If God is who you love and worship, why is it that you will not surrender your will to his, and see maybe what he has to teach you?
Indeed, God taught Adam the names of all things. And Adam did not follow what you call sunna. And why you will understand, if you only learnt what surrender is about. The very meaning of muslim, and they very aim of Islam.
Whatever you are you are un believer and non muslim, you are insulting a prophet.
That the manner of most jewish, always not behaved with prophets, some of them they kills and others disbelief.
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"And We have also sent down unto you the Reminder and the Advice (the Qur'an) that you may explain clearly to the people what has been sent down for them" (An-Nahl 1644)
The advice is from your addition, and that's because you don't know the arabic language
Wow, that didn`t take long. So here he critisizes himself. bravo
That the manner of most jewish
Unbelievable. And such a fool, thinks he can learn people about faith.
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Salam,
I read some of Abdulrahman's posts and he is not completely incorrect.
Araab are "nomads" and not "arabs" as was pointed out.
Also, the person who taught Moses (call him Khidr for simplicity) did indeed act on foreknowledge he was given and not his own whims/minds.
Additonally, the Quran does say more of the earlier generations were believers than the later ones (which makes sence when you consider population numbers)
However, on the issue of God not being a teacher and we being only servants - I agree we are servants, but also that God is our teacher (He taught man what he did not know) and (The Almighty taught the Quran), etc.
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Well, then I encourage you to seek the presence of God, yourself, Layth, and see that "he" teaches nothing else, than that yourself (we) are God.
Like I told Clown o`satan here, surrender to God, but he ran when these things were mentioned. Surely A god whom one prays to for guidance, can be trusted to be in control? So give up control, to the one in control. And learn.
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Authority of the Sunnah
- Definition of the Sunnah, and the History of the Sunnah, and the Efforts of the Scholars in verifying the Sunnah.
For the above issues, please see the following article The Sunnah.
Why need I read an article when I can read the Quran?
Why do you send me to what a man says, when Allah tells us specifically to only follow what He revealed?"Follow what has been sent down to you from your Lord, and follow no friends other than He; little do you remember." Surah 73
I seek refuge in Allah from the whispers of an accursed satan.Are hadith divine?
No, they are not. They contain mistakes.
Hadith is full of errors, and Allah is clear If it contains errors it is not from Him."Will they not then meditate on the Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy." Surah 482
How can you say hadith are divine when they are full of errors?
One thing that must be mentioned here is that many Muslims get confused between the general term of Sunnah, which includes all the sayings and actions of the Prophet,
You are wrong. The Sunnah is spoken of throughout the Quran The Sunnah of Allah, and the sunnah of the ancients. There is no 'Sunnah of the Prophet' spoken of in the Quran. I thought you read the Arabic revelation as you were quoting numerous ayats in Arabic; can you not confirm the Truth for yourself?
" " Surah 3362
" " Surah 3543
" " Surah 4823Allah does not change, nor does He change His way (sunnati Allahi) Surah 624, 6115, 1064, 1777, 1827, 3030, 3362, 4815, 4823, 673-4
?Sunnah? in Quran Surah 838, 1513, 1777, 1855, 3338, 3362, 3543, 4085, 4823- What does the Authority of the Sunnah mean?
In Arabic, the wording is Hojjiyat As-Sunnah.
These are teachings of the Jews, not found in the Quran. Why do you want to make me into a Jew, upholding writings of men instead of the revelation of Allah?
This basically means that the Sunnah can be used as evidence in Shariah, and that Allah (swt) has ordered us to follow the Sunnah and avoid anything it has prohibited for us.
No where in the Quran has Allah commanded us to follow 'the Sunnah of the Prophet'. You now fabricate falsehood - lies - stating the Quran says something that is not there.
As well, you enforce Sharia Law - satanic teachings of the Jews - as part of that 'Sunnah'.Do hadith support the teachings found in the Quran?
No, they do not. They contradict the teachings in the Quran.Terrorism, violence and intolerance Deut. 2010-18, Num. 3117, Num. 3132-35, Joshua 621-24, I Sam.l 1827, I Kings 1840
Religious compulsion (kill unbelievers) Lev. 2416, Ph. 210; Deut 172-7
Apostasy Deut. 135-10
Refuted in Quran
Thou shall not murder nor be the aggressor Surah 608-9, 2190-193, 429-30, 492-94, 532Suicide Mission Judges 1627-30
Refuted in Quran
Suicide forbidden Surah 2194, 429Stoning Adulterers Deut. 2223-24, Lev. 210
Refuted in Quran
Only disbelievers practice stoning Surah 1191, 1820, 1946, 26116, 3618Females are unclean Levi. 122,5
Proof of virginity Deut. 2215-21
Raped girl should be killed Deut. 2222-29
Men dominate women I Cor. 113, I Peter 31-7, Eph. 522-24
Daughters are property Exo. 217
Women have no rights I Tim. 211-15, I Cor. 1434-36
Refuted in Quran
All are equal Surah 3195, 4124, 1697, 3336-37, 4040, 4913
Men are to be equal with all wives Surah 4127-129
Men are not to marry for sexual reasons Surah 425, 55
Men are to take wives to be providers for them Surah 434
Do not harm your wives Surah 656
Banish/Divorce your wives if they do not behave Surah 434, 3328, 665-6Pedophilia Sanhedrin 52b, 54b, 55b, 69a, Kethuboth 11b, Yebamoth 60b
Refuted in Quran
Marriage is to occur between consenting, mature people. Surah 46, 421, 2228, 654, 1734Slavery Lev. 2544-46, Lev. 2210-11, Exo. 2132
Refuted in Quran
Free slaves 2177, 424-25, 492, 589, 960, 2432, 9013Hijab I Cor. 113-6
Cover your head Shabbat 156b
Refuted in Quran
Hijab (veil/screen/curtain) in Quran ? Not a headcover Surah 746, 1745, 1917, 3353, 3832, 415, 4251
Jilbab/dress and khimar/cloak to cover bosom/body Surah 2430-31, 3359If the hadith are not based on the Quran, where do these teachings come from?
If they do not come from Allah, where do they come from?The teachings of hadith are the same teachings of the polytheist Yahudians, Nazarene, and Zoroastrians. Hadith are polytheist teachings refuted by the Quran.
In other words, this means that it is obligatory on every Muslim to believe in what the Sunnah tells us, and to act according to the Sunnah in all aspects of our life and ensure that we do not commit any actions that contradict the Sunnah.
I will not follow the teachings of the polytheists. I will not believe as you believe when Allah has commanded us not to.
- The Sunnah and it's place in relation to the Holy Qur'an
The Sunnah can be divided into three parts - Confirming Sunnah. This is the part of the Sunnah that confirms what is in the Qur'an, and reinforces it.
I seek refuge in Allah from the accursed satan! You utter a manifest calumny against Allah, saying the Sunnah CONFIRMS the Quran?! May Allah have mercy upon your soul for speaking such an outlandish lie!
The Quran verifies the previous Books The Torah and the Injeel. NOTHING confirms the Quran as the Quran is a pure, protected Book with clear proofs and signs from Allah within it.The Quran was sent to verify (musaddiqun) previous Books Surah 381, 4252, 548, 241, 289, 291, 2101, 303, 692
"And when (Wa-ith) God took (akhatha Allahu) Compact of the Prophets (meethaqa alnnabiyyeena) 'That I have given you of Book and Wisdom; then there shall come to you a Messenger verifying (musaddiqun) what is with you -- you shall believe in him and you shall help him; do you agree?' He said. 'And do you take My load on you on that condition?' They said, 'We do agree.' God said, 'Bear witness so, and I shall be with you among the witnesses.'" Surah 381
"And We have sent down to thee the Book with the truth, verifying (musaddiqan) the Book that was before it, and assuring it. So judge between them according to what God has sent down, and do not follow their caprices, to forsake the truth that has come to thee. To every one of you We have appointed a right way and an open road. If God had willed, He would have made you one nation; but that He may try you in what has come to you. So be you forward in good works; unto God shall you return, all together; and He will tell you of that whereon you were at variance." Surah 548
- Explanatory Sunnah. This part of the Sunnah explains the holy Qur'an and the various Shariah injunctions that come in the holy Qur'an. It includes four parts expanding on what is mentioned only briefly in the holy Qur'an, explaining difficult verses or issues, putting limits on general statements in the Qur'an and finally specifying generalities in the Qur'an.
The 'Sunnah' explains the Quran? I seek refuge in Allah from being of the ignorant!
The Quran is explained by Allah. Who better to explain than the One who created man? Do you say He cannot explain the Quran? Is that your claim, Islamist?Allah is the best guidance, Allah explains Surah 373, 426, 487,179, 2532, 346, 3923, 4144, 456. 5417,22,32,40, 5675-81, 7516-19, 7750, 1035, 73, 2779, 333, 1689
?And thus have We made for every prophet an enemy from among the guilty, and sufficient is thy Lord as a Guide and a Helper." Surah 2531?Allah desires to explain to you, and to guide you into the ways of those before you, and to turn to you, and Allah is Knowing, Wise.? Surah 426
"Move not thy tongue therewith to make haste with it. Surely on Us rests the collecting of it and the reciting of it. So when We recite it, follow its recitation. Again on Us rests the explaining of it." Surah 7516-19
- Sunnah that brings new legislation. This part of the Sunnah is the one that brings new legislation, and new Shariah that is not in the holy Qur'an.
It is proven above the Shariah Law are teachings of satans - polytheist Jews and Christians - and not revealed by Allah. You strive to take guardians with the enemies of Al-Islam, and you will be treated as an enemy of Al-Islam.
- Evidence of the Authority of the Sunnah from the Qur'an
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The verses mentioned above can be translated as
- Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and beware (of evil) if ye do turn back, know ye that it is Our Messenger's duty to proclaim (the Message) in the clearest manner. (5 92).
- O ye who believe! obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe in Allah and the Last Day that is best, and most suitable for final determination. (4 59).
- So take what the Messenger assigns to you, and deny yourselves that which he withholds from you. And fear Allah; for Allah is strict in Punishment. (59 7).
- But no, by thy Lord, they can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction. (4 65).
- But for the Grace of Allah to thee and His Mercy, a party of them would certainly have plotted to lead thee astray. But (in fact) they will only lead their own souls astray, and to thee they can do no harm in the least. For Allah hath sent down to thee the Book and Wisdom and taught thee what thou knewest not (before) and great is the Grace of Allah unto. (4 113).
- Say "If ye do love Allah, follow me Allah will love you and forgive you your sins; for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (3 31).
- Then We put thee on the (right) Way of Religion so follow thou that (Way), and follow not the desires of those who know not. (45 1.
- He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah; but if any turn away, We have not sent thee to watch over their (evil deeds). (4 80).
- Say "Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to preach the clear (Message). (24 54).
- When they are summoned to Allah and His Messenger, in order that He may judge between them, behold, some of them decline (to come). (24 4.
- Deem not the summons of the Messenger among yourselves like the summons of one of you to another Allah doth know those of you who slip away under shelter of some excuse then let those beware who withstand the Messenger's order, lest some trial befall them, or a grievous Penalty be inflicted on them. (24 63).
- Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the praise of Allah. (33 21).
The verses mentioned here are just some of the verses relating to the authority of the Sunnah of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh). Anyone who has read the holy Qur'an knows that Allah (swt) repeats his command to us to follow the Prophet, and obey him, and stay away from anything that he forbids, many times in the holy Qur'an. All these verses point to the fact that we must abide by and follow the Sunnah, and that we cannot obey Allah (swt) without following the Sunnah because Allah (swt) himself in the holy Qur'an asks us and requires us to follow the Sunnah.
It is apparent you have not read the entire Quran - if at all - for if you did you would realize you have the words of the Prophet (pbuh) before you.
Even the Quran attests it is the revelation of Allah, the word of an honored Messenger Surah 6940-43, 8119
But you would have me follow third-person stories of people I have no knowledge of nor proof they were actually real?Insincere readers are diverted from the meaning of the Quran Surah 7146, 1745-47, 1857, 4144, 3923
The sin is in not confirming the Truth Surah 7531-32, 1736, 496
?And follow not that of which thou has no knowledge. Surely the hearing and the sight and the heart, of all of these it will be asked.? Surah 1736- Evidence of the Authority of the Sunnah from the Hadith
Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) has warned us in many hadith of the fact that some people will come who will deny the Sunnah and claim to follow the holy Qur'an only. Subhan Allah, we see this has come true today with some of these deviant groups. Please read the hadith below
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These hadith can be translated as follows
- There will be a man to whom my hadith will reach him, while he is sitting comfortably, and he will say between me and you is the book of Allah, whatever we find in it that is halal we will make it halal, and whatever we find in it haram we will make it haram. Then the Prophet says whatever the messenger of Allah has made haram is as if Allah has made it haram.
- All of my Ummah will enter heaven except those who refuse (or reject), so they asked him oh messenger of Allah, who is the one who refuses? The Prophet said whoever obeys me will enter heaven and whoever obeys me he has refused.
- Do not ask me about what I didn't' mention, because what has caused the destruction of the previous nations was their questioning and disagreement with their Prophets. If I forbid you from doing something, avoid it, and if I order you to do something do as much of it as you possibly can.
- May Allah make bright (beautiful, happy) the face of the one who listens to my saying, and he memorizes it, understands it and delivers it to others. How many people may carry knowledge while they are not knowledgeable, and how many people carry knowledge to those who are more knowledgeable than them.
Again the evidence from the Sunnah points to the same fact, which is that it is obligatory for Muslims to follow the Sunnah. We must abide by it, follow its orders and avoid whatever it forbids us from. We cannot claim to be obeying Allah if we do not follow the Sunnah.
On the contrary, I claim I am obeying Allah and the Messenger by upholding only the Quran.
Only in the Quran do I have the revelation of Allah and the words of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh); all found in a pure, protected Book kept error-free since revelation.
Hadith are full of errors, writings of men not spoken of in the Quran nor given authority, and were not revealed by Allah nor spoken of by the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).I know you have not read the entire Quran because the Prophet specifically states he followed ONLY what Allah revealed.
"And when thou bringest them not a sign, they say, 'Why hast thou not chosen one?' Say 'I follow only what is revealed to me from my Lord; this is clear testimony from your Lord, guidance, and mercy for a people of believers.'" Surah 7203
The Prophet Muhammad followed only what Allah revealed Surah 650, 7203-204, 1015, 469
- Evidence of the Authority of the Sunnah from the Consensus of the Scholars
Since the belief in the authority of the Sunnah is one of the basics of Islam, and one of the foundations of this religion, Muslims have agreed on this fact in the early generations and the later generations as well. This consensus has been reported by many scholars including Al-Shafi'ee, Ibn Abd Al-Barr, Ibn Hazm, Ibn Taymiyah and Ibn Al-Qayyim.
No Muslim scholar has raised any doubt about the authority of the Sunnah as a source of Shariah. The only doubts were raised by deviant groups who obviously had very little knowledge of Islam, because the overwhelming evidence of the Qur'an and the Sunnah clearly settles this issue. These deviant groups simply wanted to create a new Shariah based on their own opinions and desires. Therefore, they wanted to destroy the Sunnah which is a major source of the Shariah in order to replace it with whatever they want. We will discuss these deviant groups in more detail later on.
No Islamist scholar has raised any doubts. You cannot call them Muslims as they do not submit to Allah, nor do they follow the teachings of the Quran.
The Islamist scholars take teachings from the polytheist teachings of satans. All proven above.Allah tells us to become scholars by studying the Book The Quran.
"It belongs not to any mortal that God should give him the Book, the Judgment, the Prophethood, then he should say to men, 'Be you servants to me apart from God.' Rather, 'Be you scholars (rabbaniyyeena) in that you know the Book, and in that you study.'" Surah 379
" " Surah 379- The Sunnah is Part of the wahy (Revelation from Allah)
The Sunnah can be divided in this regard into the following parts
*A part that was directly revealed to the Prophet by meaning only (the part revealed by exact wording is the holy Qur'an).
*A part that the Prophet said or did out of his own with no revelation, and this part is divided into 2 sub-partsYou just proved your own argument wrong as, shown above, the Prophet followed ONLY what Allah revealed.
The Prophet Muhammad followed only what Allah revealed Surah 650, 7203-204, 1015, 469
"And when thou bringest them not a sign, they say, 'Why hast thou not chosen one?' Say 'I follow only what is revealed to me from my Lord; this is clear testimony from your Lord, guidance, and mercy for a people of believers. And when the Quran is recited, give you ear to it and be silent; haply so you will find mercy. '" Surah 7203-204
" " Surah 7203-204"And when Our signs are recited to them, clear signs, those who look not to encounter Us say, 'Bring a Koran other than this, or alter it.' Say 'It is not for me to alter it of my own accord. I follow nothing, except what is revealed to me. Truly I fear, if I should rebel against my Lord, the chastisement of a dreadful day.'" Surah 1015
" " Surah 1015And you beckon me to disbelief. Shame on you.
Therefore, as we can see that with regard to anything related to the religion of Islam, the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) is immune from making a mistake (ma'soom). This means that the entire Sunnah of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) is according to the will of Allah (swt), since it is either directly revealed by Allah (swt), or it is asserted by Allah (swt), or else it has been corrected by the revelation from Allah (swt).
This is obvious to any Muslim, after all, Allah (swt) has promised to protect this message, the message of Islam. And it is not possible for Allah (swt) to allow the messenger who is delivering His message to make any mistake in delivering it, otherwise it would not be protected.
Proof is given above that it is not protected, and that it contains errors, AND that it strays from the teachings found in the Quran. Want more?
Who collected the Quran
" Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 155
"Ubai, Muadh bin Jabal, Abu Zaid and Zaid bin Thabit."
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Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 526
"Abu Ad-Darda'. Mu'adh bin Jabal, Zaid bin Thabit and Abu Zaid"
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Allah as proven by Surah 7516-17Final Sermon contradiction
I leave with you Quran and Sunna Muwatta, 46/3
I leave with you Quran and Ahl al-bayt Muslim 44/4, Nu2408; ibn hanbal 4/366; darimi 23/1, nu 3319.
I leave you for the Quran alone you shall uphold it Muslim 15/19, nu 1218; ibn Majah 25/84, Abu dawud 11/56.Your argument is flawed, destroying the premise you have lain your belief upon.
Proof is given the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) followed only what Allah revealed The Quran.
Proof is given hadith are rife with mistakes, full of teachings of polytheist satans, contradicting the Quran.
Proof is given the only Guidance to uphold is the Quran.Follow only what Allah revealed, the word of an honored Messenger; the Quran Surah 299, 6155, 6106, 73, 7157, 7203-204, 864, 10109, 12111, 332, 1736,1827-28, 159, 2848-49, 3529, 496, 5417,22,32,40, 7518, 8521-22, 961, 981-8, 6940-43, 8119
?O Prophet! Allah is sufficient for you and such of the believers as follow you." Surah 864
" " Surah 864You rely on men to be your leaders of religion. I rely on Allah to be the Rabbi of my deen. Him do I serve and Him alone do I beseech for help.
Bear witness I submit to Allah.
I am a Muslim.You made your choice. You are of the Islamist sects that upholds hadith. You do not submit your will to Allah. You are not a Muslim.
Enjoy this life. Surah 1430Peace.
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Salam and Peace!
This is the link between us and the profit, and that's why that the companions are much better than us, because Allah made them one of the reasons to protect that religion, and our Quran is protected since more than 1400 years, memorized at the chests and the books, and no one can delete or increase even one letter, that's why our friend jafar can't delete the letter he wants to delete and change the meaning of the Quran, and that the difference between us and jewish and christians, since they don't have a link to their profits, and that's why they increased and decreased at their books as they want.
That first and second, if you are using your head, or I am not sure if you ever read the holy Quran before, when Mousi and Alkedr met, and Elkedr made hole at the ship, and so on... and at the end he said And none of what I did was of my own accord, although what he did was depending in the future, because Allah taught him some of the future.
Same for the profit, he doesn't know the future, even the angles don't know the future, but Allah told him about some of the future.
Like what he said that before the hour, the killing will increase, and as we can see know people are killed daily without a reason, the killer don't know why he killed, and the one who was killed don't know why he was killed.
And what he told that the women will increase and the men will decrease, which we can see right now.
And a lot and a lot.
Denier of the names of Sahaba, is out of Islam???
Salam and Peace, everyone!
A non-muslim reads Al-Quran. And he accepts Islam.
He says that he has (Iman in Allah,---the last Prophet and all the previous Prophets and Messengers,---Al-Quran and all the previous Scriptures,---Angels,---and The Judgement Day).
He further says that he has Iman in everything that Allah has mentioned in His Exalted Quran.
He says that Allah mentioned that the Prophet had companions (Al-Baqarah-285), so he has Iman that there are companions of the Prophet.But, since, Allah didn't mention, in His Exalted Book of Islam, the names, which are said to be the names of the companions---Abu Bakar, Umar, Usman, Ali, Fatima, Hasan, Hussain, Abu Huraira, Abdullah ibn Umar, Abdullah ibn Abbaas---so the new-muslim says he will not accept these names as the names of the companions of the Prophet.
These names are in the books of history. And Allah didn't command me to have Iman in the books of history.The new-muslim clarifies that he is not saying the Prophet did not have companions.
The Prophet had companions,---but their names are not mentioned in Al-Quran, so he will not accept these names as the names of the companions.=========================================================================
Respected brothers/sisters!
Please answer any one of the following questions
1)---Do you think that this new-muslim, is still a muslim?
Or---2)---Do you think that the new-muslim, by not accepting these names as the names of the companions of the Prophet,-----is out of Islam?
If your answer is that he is out of Islam,---then in that case, your answer must be supported by a Verse from Allah's Quran.
Because when a person fulfills the basic requirements of Iman, (Iman in Allah,---the last Prophet and all the previous Prophets and Messengers,---Al-Quran and all the previous Scriptures,---Angels,---and The Judgement Day),---then Allah declares him a momin.And if by not accepting the names of Sahaba (names are not mentioned in Al-Quran, it is in the history), he is out of Islam,-----then It is only Allah alone Who can declare him out of Islam.
No answer will be accepted if it is not supported by Allah's Verse from The Exalted Quran.
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In answer to above statement, a nice and respected brother said; "Yes, the denier of the the names of the Sahaba of the last Prophet is out of Islam. Because the Sahaba of Noah are mentioned in The Quran, so go and get the names of the Sahaba of Noah."
-------I answered to the above.
To whom should we go to get the names of those Sahaba of Noah (AS)?
Go to Allah?---But, Allah did not mention their names in His Safe, Holy and Exalted Quran.
(Remember, Allah's Quran is The Only Truth in the universe. So my Allah is not giving me the names of those Sahaba in His Quran).Now, history is left.
Should we go to the historians (humans) to know the names of the Sahaba of Noah (AS)?
History???-----which is full of fabrications, lies and corruption!!!
History has always been influenced by unjust rulers and corrupt rich classes and corrupt religious ulama karam.
History has always been written,---not to guide people to The Right Path,---but to hide the crimes of the above mentioned three unjust and cruel classes (unjust rulers and corrupt rich classes and corrupt religious ulama karam).So, here, we are in a serious trouble, brother!---because,---
---Allah Himself has decided not to give us the names of the Sahaba of the last Prophet, Abu Bakar, Umar, Ali, Fatimah, Hasan, Hussain, Ayesha.Talking about History!---it is full of fabrication.
So, where should we go now to save our Iman,-----Because, as you quoted, that such a person is not a momin, in spite of fulfilling the basic requirements of Iman, because he denies to have Iman in the names of the Sahaba given in the history???????
So,-----what is the solution to this trouble?
Yes, we should go to our CareTaker Allah.
Because, only Allah alone can take us out of this trouble.So,---I ask my Allah, "O my Allah, if knowing the names of the Sahaba and the family members of the last Prophet, is compulsory for my Iman, then please give us the names of those rightly guided people. -----Indeed, You are The Hearer, All Knower!"
And brother!---Do you know what solution my Allah gave to me?
-----"That was a nation (the Messengers, their companions) which has passed away. For them is that which they earned, and for you is that which you earn. And you will not be asked of what they used to do." (Al-Baqarah-134)
Contemplate!
The brother said, "And there are many Prophets with them are their companions , you have to get all the names of them all, cause they are all blessed by Allah and saved, otherwise you will not be a Mu'min."
-------My answer to the above.
No, brother!
Allah do not Will us to know the names of those Sahaba of the Prophets. If it had been compulsory to know the names of the Sahaba of all the Prophets, Allah Himself would have given their names, and had ordered us to have Iman in them.Rather, Allah declares clearly that you don't have any need to know those Sahabas, and you don't have to worry about them.
-----"That was a nation (the Messengers, their companions) which has passed away. For them is that which they earned, and for you is that which you earn. And you will not be asked of what they used to do." (Al-Baqarah-134)
So, my dear brother, I don't have to worry about the companions of the Prophet. And they don't have to worry about me. Everyone must worry about his ownself only.
For them is that which they earned. For me is that which I earn. We are not responsible for each other. Then why should I worry to know their names?The Verses from our Allah's Exalted Quran, that you have quoted, only tells us that there were Sahaba of the Messengers, but do not command us to get those names.
Knowing those names of the Sahaba, will not benefit us in the least,-----because, no one else, but Allah Himself has stopped us to establish any relationship with those Sahaba.
-----"That was a nation (the Messengers, their companions) which has passed away. For them is that which they earned, and for you is that which you earn. And you will not be asked of what they used to do." (Al-Baqarah-134)
Yes, Allah will not ask us what did they use to do,---what did they use to say,---and what did they narrate about Islam and about the sayings of the Prophet.
Yes, nothing,----Allah guarantees us that He will not ask us about anything that those Sahaba used to do, and used to say.
According to Allah, we have no relationship with what they did, and what they said.
Dear brother, if Allah had Willed, He Himself would have given us the names of the Sahaba, the family members of the Prophet, (Abu Bakar, Umar, Ali, Fatimah, Hasan, Hussain, Ayesha)-----but, since, Allah Himself Willed, not to let us know the names of the Sahaba and the family members of the last Prophet,----then who can go against Allah's Will?
What names Allah Willed, gave in His Exalted Book.
Iblees, Korah are condemned,---to tell us not to become like them.Zul Qurnain, Luqman are admired,---to tell us to become like them.
What Allah Willed, He did.
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Now, brother!---Do we know, why Allah do not Will us to know the names of those Sahaba and the family members of The Last Prophet?
Yes, because,---"Personality-worshipping"---starts by knowing the names of those rightly-guided people.
People start talking, mentioning, remembering, adoring,-----and eventually end up worshipping those family members of the Prophet and the Sahaba by taking and following the alleged narrations, that are linked with those people.
Ali, Fatimah, Hasan, Hussain, Abu Huraira, Abdullah ibn Umar, Abdullah ibn Abbaas,---are these names not being worshipped???
Are these names not being worshipped, besides Allah???Are the fabricated narrantions linked with these Sahaba not being taken as Deen, instead of Allah's Quran?????
Whereas, Allah declares
-----"That was a nation (the Messengers, their companions) which has passed away. For them is that which they earned, and for you is that which you earn. And you will not be asked of what they used to do." (Al-Baqarah-134)The ummah has got no business with the names of the family members of the Prophet and the Sahaba.
Respected brothers/sisters!
Is it not true, that Allah didn't mention the names of the Sahaba in His Exalted Quran and never commanded us to have Iman in the names of the Sahaba.---Yes, it is true!
So, is it not true, that if a person says he will not have Iman in the names of the Sahaba which are not in Al-Quran, he is not a kafir???---Yes, he is not a kafir!
So, when a person have no Iman in the names Umar, Ali, Fatimah, Abu Huraira, Abdullah ibn Umar, Abdullah ibn Abbaas,----then why should he have Iman in the narrations which are, allegedly, linked with them???
If someone tells a person, "Abu Huraira said."
That person will say, "Who is Abu Huraira? I don't have Iman in him. So why should I accept whatever he says?"Did you see, with this the whole fabric of The Science of Hadith becomes ramshackle-----so obviously!
And the whole fabric of Shia Deen crumbles down,-----even more obviously!Every corruption in Deen starts by having Iman in the names of the family members of the Prophet, and the Sahaba of the Prophet.
Once people accept these names as the names of the family members of the Prophet, and his Sahaba,---now, they can never deny what is narrated (ahadith) using their names.
And accepting these names (Abu Bakar, Umar, Usman, Ali, Fatimah, Hasan, Hussain, Abu Huraira, Abdullah ibn Umar, Abdullah ibn Abbaas)---is not Allah's Will.-----Allah's Quran, is Allah's Will.
So, there are no ahadith in Islam.
And there is no Shia Sect in Islam.
These two are nothing but, Corruption in Deen.And this is Allah's Will, that other than His Exalted Quran, everything is Corruption.
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This is Allah's Will.
Read Allah's Quran, more and more, repeatedly,----to know Allah's Will. -
Salam and Peace!
Hadith is authenticated by the Ulama Karam of the last Ummah, and not by Allah!The Corrupt, Sectarian and Criminal "Ulama Karam" are responsible for the Downfall and Humiliation of this Ummah at the hands of the kuffaar. These criminal Ulama Karam have made the Ummah their slaves, and have divided them into Haram and Mushrik SECTS!
These Criminal "Ulama Karam" knowingly stop people from Allah.Indeed the biggest criminals are the people themselves.
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The reminder here means the Sunnah, because it explains to people the Quran, the profit said
"Truly I was given the Qur'an and its like together," meaning the Sunna.
The Sunna, too, came down upon him by inspiration, just like the Qur'an, except that the Sunna was not recited as was the Qur'an.That means that the Sunna is protected like the Quran is protected.
It is mentioned in the Quran in general to pray, but the Sunna came with details about how to pray.
So the Sunnah explains the Quran
And it was mentioned in the Quran to follow the sunnah
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"And whatsoever the Messenger gives you, take it; and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it). "
Whoever declines the Sunnah is unbeliever and non Muslim
And peace will be upon him who follows the guidance!'' (48.
An Open Challenge!
Salam and Peace on you respected brother!
1)---Please, can you show me the word or terminology "Sunnatur Rasool" in Allah's Quran???
Take it as a challenge.---A brotherly challenge.
And if you can not show this terminology "Sunnatur Rasool" in Allah's Quran, then fear Allah, and don't invite people to what is not Approved and Authorized by Allah as Deen.
Show us Verse/Verses containing the word "Sunnatur Rasool".
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Salam ,
I started the thread and went to study for my exams, O MY GOD... you guys carried it so far.
This is my response
Dear creature made by Allah, I will not like to have further debate over the issue because you have not read the Qur'an. First read it and then I will be glad to share my precious time from my limited lifetime.
The first revelation with it's first few verses explains every thing
961 Read in the name of your Lord Who created.
962 He created man from a clot.
963 Read and your Lord is Most Honorable,
964 Who taught with the pen
965 Taught man what he knew not.
966 Nay! man is most surely inordinate,
967 Because he sees himself free from want.Allah allows us to gain knowledge through the pen, that is how he teaches. Allah's command keeps you in the straight path.
I stand for reason, not for blind faith. There is no way I can even imagine to debate your belief with the knowledge Allah has allowed me to gain.
Someone saying that Allah does not teach his creations is a blasphemy from my point of view. The blasphemy more than doubles when you take a mortal man and declare him the teacher by demeaning Allah's Wisdom. If you dont yet see that your model of monotheism is a pure idolization , let Allah guide.
PEACE
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------------- Student of Allah
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Dear AbdAlRahman,
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And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed, all of them together. So, will you then compel mankind, until they become believers?
It seems that GOD, SWT, Himself is not willing to guide you, and I believe it is because, you are not a GOD ALONE worshiper. you call Prophet Muhammad, pbuh, alongside with ALLAAH, SWT, in your SHAHAADAH, in your ADZAN, in your SALAAT, have made ?pilgrimage? of his grave as part of HAJJ pilgrimage and calling his mosque as one of the TWO!!! SACRED mosques alongside with ALMASJIDULHARAAM in Mecca, and also, calling upon him to be your ?SHAFEE?/intercessor? between you and GOD, SWT, at Judgment day.
Let me draw your attention to a few verses from The Qur?aan.
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What We have revealed to you of the book, is the truth from your Lord, confirming what was revealed before it. Verily! ALLAAH is All Aware, and All Seer of His slaves.
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Afterwards, We gave the Book as inheritance to such of Our slaves whom We chose. Of them are some who wrong themselves, and of them are some who follow a middle course, and of them are some who are, by ALLAA?S Leave, foremost in good deeds. That is indeed a great favor.
The first verse informs us that The Qur?aan is The Only Authority, even over the books that were revealed before it. The second verse informs us that we did not inherit but The Qur?aan Alone for our guidance.
YOU SHALL NOT IDOLIZE Prophet MUHAMMAD, pbuh.
There are only two verses in The Qur?aan that describe the prophet Muhammad as "no more than a human being like you.?
Now, do you think IT IS COINCIDENCE THAT BOTH VERSES FORBID IDOLATRY AT THE END OF EACH VERSE?
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Say, verily, I am only a human being like you. It has been revealed to me that your God is ONE GOD. Thus, anyone who looks forward to meeting his Lord shall lead a righteous life, and NEVER SET UP ANY IDOLS beside his Lord.
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Say, verily, I am only a human being like you. It is revealed to me that your God is One God, therefore take Straight Path to Him and obedience to Him, and seek forgiveness of Him. And woe to the polytheists.
Peace,
Khalil
