throat slitting and halal slaughtering methods
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There are verses discussing ways in which animals cannot be killed.
Reading that sentence one can get the impression that animals can be made invincible in some ways. p
Suppose there's no step-by-step instruction regarding slaughtering animals for food in AQ. What do you think would be the best method to "convert" living animal meat (sorry Mushu) to human food?
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or does it ban stunning before slaughtering
AFAIK no.
And some "halal" slaughterhouses do stun cattle before slitting their throats, so, I guess it's okay even for traditionalists.
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Salam,
I would follow the Qur'an in it's entirety. I prefer a method that is the best according to our knowledge that Allah gave us through the pen. Consulting a scientist and expert on which method makes it easier for the animal (also accordance with Qur'an) is the way to go for me.
When we talk about Halal meat, we often focus only on the slaughtering. My sense of halal is not based on the slaughtering part alone. How can we keep a mammal in a cage from life to death, where it cant move at all. Isnt that cruelty ? From birth to death in a cage where it can barely move ? I reject to believe that this can be a process the most merciful would allow.
Allah knows best
PEACE
-------------- Student of Allah
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S
There are verses discussing ways in which animals cannot be killed.
I concur.
The Qur'aan does not really specify how animals should be slaughtered, but rather how animals should not be slaughtered.
(53) Forbidden unto you (for food) are carrion and blood and swine-flesh, and that which hath been dedicated unto any other than Allah, and the strangled, and the dead through beating, and the dead through falling from a height, and that which hath been killed by (the goring of) horns, and the devoured of wild beasts, saving that which ye make lawful (by the death-stroke), and that which hath been immolated unto idols. And (forbidden is it) that ye swear by the divining arrows. This is an abomination...
So a method of slaughter that does not involve the animals being strangled, beaten, fallen from a height, killed by horns and devoured by other animals, should be okay. I also lately contemplate though (here I am lacking Qur'aanic evidence), that we should also consider how an animal lives, and not just how an animal dies.
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When we talk about Halal meat, we often focus only on the slaughtering. My sense of halal is not based on the slaughtering part alone. How can we keep a mammal in a cage from life to death, where it cant move at all. Isnt that cruelty ? From birth to death in a cage where it can barely move ? I reject to believe that this can be a process the most merciful would allow.
You beat me to it. In factory farming that is prevalent in today's society, not only are the animals caged from birth to death, but they are also mutilated and injected with growth-hormones. Chicken as young as 6 weeks old have grown to the size of 26 weeks ones, to an extent where they cannot walk as their bone structures cannot support their mass. No access to natural light, hygiene or nutritious diets. I am not here to preach about not eating animals (I love my chicken, thank you), but lately it dawns on me how much we focus on how an animal dies, than how it lives. Also, so much emphasis on what is halaal, that we rarely consider about the "good and pure things" that we are commanded to eat (2172, 16114). So the way I understand it, we have to eat something that is BOTH halaal and good/pure.
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You beat me to it. In factory farming that is prevalent in today's society, not only are the animals caged from birth to death, but they are also mutilated and injected with growth-hormones. Chicken as young as 6 weeks old have grown to the size of 26 weeks ones, to an extent where they cannot walk as their bone structures cannot support their mass. No access to natural light, hygiene or nutritious diets. I am not here to preach about not eating animals (I love my chicken, thank you), but lately it dawns on me how much we focus on how an animal dies, than how it lives. Also, so much emphasis on what is halaal, that we rarely consider about the "good and pure things" that we are commanded to eat (2172, 16114). So the way I understand it, we have to eat something that is BOTH halaal and good/pure.
You should eat Wagyu beef then...
The cattle were routinely massaged.... what a lucky cattle...
That's also why it is so expensive..Salam / Peace
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You should eat Wagyu beef then...
The cattle were routinely massaged.... what a lucky cattle...
That's also why it is so expensive..Salam / Peace
Hahaha, I am glad that I am not much of a red-meat person (chicken and salmon all the way!). That being said, I heard that the cattle were given expensive sake too .
I think meloves my wallet more than Wagyu beef. Oh well, back to lettuce and carrots!
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It would be interesting to know if any form of stunning causes blood retention
AFAIK no.
And some "halal" slaughterhouses do stun cattle before slitting their throats, so, I guess it's okay even for traditionalists.
I read that they do it after the slaughter, makes no sense i know... different countries have different practices..
i tell ya what though it would be one tricky job. have you seen the neck of those animals? massive.
You should eat Wagyu beef then...
The cattle were routinely massaged.... what a lucky cattle...
That's also why it is so expensive..Salam / Peace
they're such docile creatures i wonder if they actually enjoy it, who really knows.
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I remember visiting relatives in Albania during Eid and we went to the market and purchased a sheep and a ram which their feet were bound lying in the hot afternoon sun. After taking them to the house I told a cousin to unbind and give them water to drink; then they laid them to their sides and cut their throats and we gave some to the poor.
http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=22&verse=36
Peace
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All this talk of meat and the Quran is honestly making me a nice italian pork sausage. It's the only pork byproduct that I miss. Being able to order only 2 kinds of pizza I like isn't too much fun either. But yea. I think people look for too many step by step manuals inside the Quran. I worry next we'll be asking if karaoke is ok to do. It better be, cuz it's awesome.
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It would be interesting to know if any form of stunning causes blood retention
I read that they do it after the slaughter, makes no sense i know... different countries have different practices..
i tell ya what though it would be one tricky job. have you seen the neck of those animals? massive.
I've seen a vid on youtube about that method practiced in a "halal" slaughterhouse in Lebanon. Cattle gets stunned and then its throat gets slit. No visible sign of blood retention. Also, with a sharp knife and correct cutting techniques I believe throat-slitting won't be that hard.
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In another news, The Netherlands has just banned halal and kosher animal slaughter.
I've seen a vid on youtube about that method practiced in a "halal" slaughterhouse in Lebanon. Cattle gets stunned and then its throat gets slit. No visible sign of blood retention. Also, with a sharp knife and correct cutting techniques I believe throat-slitting won't be that hard.
Thoughts on this?
The UK Farm Animal Welfare Council says that the method by which Kosher and Halal meat is produced causes severe suffering to animals and it should be banned immediately. According to FAWC it can take up to two minutes for cattle to bleed to death, thus amounting to animal abuse. Compassion in World Farming also supported the recommendation saying "We believe that the law must be changed to require all animals to be stunned before slaughter." The UK government rejected its recommendations.
Various research papers on cattle slaughter collected by Compassion In World Farming mention that "after the throat is cut, large clots can form at the severed ends of the carotid arteries, leading to occlusion of the wound (or ?ballooning? as it is known in the slaughtering trade). Nick Cohen wrote in the New Statesman, "Occlusions slow blood loss from the carotids and delay the decline in blood pressure that prevents the suffering brain from blacking out. In one group of calves, 62.5 per cent suffered from ballooning. Even if the slaughterman is a master of his craft and the cut to the neck is clean, blood is carried to the brain by vertebral arteries and it keeps cattle conscious of their pain."via Wiki
There is also this paper on the benefits of ritual slaughter http//asidcom.org/IMG/pdf/ASIDCOM_report-Benefits_of_religious_slaughter.pdf
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Jack..
So people who kill animals to eat are worried the animal is going to feel pain from a halal/kosher slaughter?
is stunning supposed to be pain-free? what benefits other than less pain is there in stunning..
I've seen a vid on youtube about that method practiced in a "halal" slaughterhouse in Lebanon. Cattle gets stunned and then its throat gets slit. No visible sign of blood retention. Also, with a sharp knife and correct cutting techniques I believe throat-slitting won't be that hard.
no known visible sign of blood retention? i think the time from stunning and slaughter matters, e.g. if you stun it and kill it a few mins or hours later what difference is there?
AFAIK the big issues with halal slaughter is, what food the animal is eating i.e. is it good and pure, blood retention/clotting/maximum blood drainage and of course slaughtering it with good intentions..
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Jack..
So people who kill animals to eat are worried the animal is going to feel pain from a halal/kosher slaughter?
is stunning supposed to be pain-free? what benefits other than less pain is there in stunning..
no known visible sign of blood retention? i think the time from stunning and slaughter matters, e.g. if you stun it and kill it a few mins or hours later what difference is there?
AFAIK the big issues with halal slaughter is, what food the animal is eating i.e. is it good and pure, blood retention/clotting/maximum blood drainage and of course slaughtering it with good intentions..
Beating an animal to death causes hematomas in the muscle tissue; retained blood from broken vessels.
You can't drain the meat of blood when it is bruised.http//www.umm.edu/graphics/images/es/19675.jpg
Allah does not forbid something for an obscure religious reason. Allah forbids or warns us because it is bad for us.
Peace.
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Wait..
Flashback to 2011 the club wasn't the only tool we had for stunning.
Alternatives Electric stun gun (I think this is what Andya and Jack meant anyway); Anesthesia (used in poultry slaughterhouses).
A quick look at this article from wikipedia-makes-you-look-smarter (last modified on 29 June 2011 at 1910) gives you a glimpse to the restraining and stunning process (follow the link in the picture to the right).
The slaughterhouse process differs by species and region and may be controlled by civil law as well as religious laws such as Kosher and Halal laws. A typical procedure follows
- Cattle (mostly steers and heifers, some cows, and even fewer bulls) are received by truck or rail from a ranch, farm, or feedlot.
- Cattle are herded into holding pens.
- Cattle are rendered unconscious by applying an electric shock of 300 volts and 2 amps to the back of the head, effectively stunning the animal, or by use of a captive bolt pistol to the front of the cow's head (a pneumatic or cartridge-fired captive bolt). Swine can be rendered unconscious by CO2/inert gas stunning. (This step is prohibited under strict application of Halal and Kashrut codes.)
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.. i never mentioned beating to death.
someone hastily misquoted you /
AFAIK the big issues with halal slaughter is, what food the animal is eating i.e. is it good and pure, blood retention/clotting/maximum blood drainage and of course slaughtering it with good intentions..
Agreed. Furthermore, the way the animals live actually determine the nutrition content of their cells produce. All the worlds need to do is wait for the scientists to announce, 'People, looks like animals are actually living beings!'.
The way the Wagyus are bred, fed, and treated should've been set as international standard (OK... minus massaging and sake--but I think treadmills are acceptable). Genetics? Still think genetics are given? Ask the Wagyu ancestors' ancestors.
