Who is speaking along the Qur'an?God, prophets, Gin and Angels only? Must read
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God has names not adjectives...you are going far...this is not a hand/face....no no be care full...Well, further search will be held upon myself...
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the way I see it
we are all influenced by the hadith, no matter how we say quran aloners.
for exemple, if we ignore completely hadiths, that we have to ignore all the stories of muhamed, and his companions, we have to make in our minds that none of these existed,and are fabrications, cuse we say hadiths is the work of satan, and if it is so, so nothing is real or true, everything is an illusion to take us away from the quran, including the stories of muhamed, isa , and the companions etc
mosy of the times , when allah adresses directly in the quran, it doesn't necesary mean he is addressing the one receiving the revelation, he could be adressing you, me and common people.
the verse that allah said , he descended the quran is stages, it doesn't mean it descended in the lifetime of the receiver of the quran, byt it descended in stages since the time of the 1st man who received the revelation.
some surahs, descended on moses, some on isa , some on ahmed or mohamed, the one after isa
surah hud for exemple, descended on Isa , and it is a real part of the injeel, if you read among, allah say , this book, and the torah before it.
there are many surahs, that descended on moses, some on ibraheem , and completed the book with the last receiver of the book
it is the same book, that came in stages, some surahs on the 1st man, notice when he speaks directly to adam, Oh adam, eat and drnk and do not approach...etc... therefore , this is a part of the quran that descended on adam.
well, some people say it is impossible, because the torah is in hebrew??? injeel aramaic??? etc... well, this is also a lie, just like the hadiths.
the secet that reveals that the ARAB TONGUE of the Quran, is the tongue spoken by the 1st man who was able to speak. read the so called miracl of moses, and you will realise that ARAB TONGUE was first inspired to adam, and it is the sacred language , the illuminati's love to taqlk about , but gives it a sound like an unspoken language.
the story of moses has to miracle at all
when Moses said in arabic Heya asayeh , it is a subliminal word, that reads the same backward, when the said Heya hayeh also read and writes the same backward and forward.
when allah said to mosesnotice you can read it right to left, or left to right.
the trick is this
Moses said Ini lahum mabouth ( am to them sent ) Record it and play it backward, and you'll get shockked , you will hear THOUABANE MUBINE .
Aasaya is a recording tool and not a Rod like they want us to believe.
The music industry and media, are doing exactly what Feraon was doing by contrlling the minds of people. and they're succeding bad, I see some arab people calling westerners to come and bomb their countries , MAGICCCCC
the time of a messenger has come, the rulers of the world, and the keepers of the knowlege of the Quran KNOWS that, that is why they want to prepare for the next few years, it will be hard on most people , and specially on them, who are manipulating the minds of the world.
Allah knows best,
I believe a ?essenger is coming soon ( cause i see it almost impossible for regular people can spread truth , has to be a man of state, a ruler ) , and I believe he will come sooner than we think, in our lifetime , I don't know if it's the end or not, but I feel it. and unsderstand it this way, and allah knows i am sincere in my research for truth. hopefully we will find the truth.
read moses miracles, the secret is also in the qirplane built by solomon, while they keep telling us Di Vinci imagined it and put it on a paper a feww hundred years ago.
MANTIQ TAYR , is the technique of flying and not the speach of birds.
SALAM -
SeekingYou Why are you scared of your own brain? I used to be like that. There is no "going too far" in intellectual honesty. Ironically only when you let go of all that you held dear can you uncloud your mind and see things as they are; regardless of whether that is religion or some other subject. Haha, I remember the days of Sunni-hood. You think the "wrong" thought that peers outside the mental prison built by your sheikh and your brain is all "HARAM HARAM HARAM" then you turn around and worship Muhammad instead of ALLAH and all is suddenly gravy. The brain is adept at deceiving as much as it is at clarifying.
It says directly, hand, and face in al-quran. I didn't write the quran, that's what it says. Now these may be allegorical or mean something relatively different as translators have interpreted, but that's what it says. For reference, 5527 and 3967. "Face" means something rather complex in al-quran but "hand" is rather clear, it even specifies the right hand.
Any name of ALLAH in al-quran is also an adjective, a description. The only way we know what ALLAH is, is by knowing what ALLAH is NOT.
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I am not afraid or anything, I am just trying to be step by step close to the Qur'an...When the Qur'an say names it is names. about me being blind for a sheik, fact is Sunna hadiths are saying God has face, hand and are saying what you exactly are saying.
For the other dude, I am warning you dude, what you said about how life today is fucked up is right...but a new prophet will either be way too hasty or true...but for like most probably it will be too hasty....and you will fall in the believing any one so easy.
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You didn't get my point yet.
Read suret el safat from 145 to the end...you will notice....
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To be utterly correct, I am saying that the Arabic words for hand and face are being used. Not that ALLAH has a physical hand or face (who knows!).
Also here we go
026.191 - And most surely your Lord is Mighty, the Merciful.
026.192 - And most surely this is a revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
026.193 - The Faithful Spirit has descended with it,
026.194 - Upon your heart that you may be of the warners
026.195 - In plain Arabic language.So it is the ruh
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To be utterly correct, I am saying that the Arabic words for hand and face are being used. Not that ALLAH has a physical hand or face (who knows!).
Also here we go
026.191 - And most surely your Lord is Mighty, the Merciful.
026.192 - And most surely this is a revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
026.193 - The Faithful Spirit has descended with it,
026.194 - Upon your heart that you may be of the warners
026.195 - In plain Arabic TONGUE .So it is the ruh
Language is from o.o
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Yes, just ignore any useful point and point out silly semantics. That'll show them!
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Allah teaches by the pen...
Reading, writing, semantics.
Sorry OPF, usually I admire very much your posts but sometimes you go a bit off.
loxbox13, I wish you could expand a bit more on your views. Thank you
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Peace,
I agree that was a bit off. I apologise, indeed I need to learn by the pen too )
Also Loxbox you raise a VERY powerful point
"MANTIQ TAYR , is the technique of flying and not the speach of birds."
Consider what speech is, and what flying is. Body language is speech too! All movements are speech/communication/information exchange. That which came together willingly came together willingly without lips or a brain. Did they not speak!
The flapping of the wings of the birds sing a song that ALLAH hears very well. One of the foremost problems of the physics of today is chaotic flow (ref Navier-Stokes continuity problem). Somewhere in the flight of birds is the answer to this problem.
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Lets take a look at these verse from suret el Shora
Who is speaking? Isn't it supposed to be God? how come God tells you that Allah is his God??I reached an answer, no it isn't Mohamed speaking, in the Arabic Qur'an there is not the word or no, it is not there...this is not Mohamed, if so prove to me from the Qur'an...Then there is someone else writing Ay at in the Qur'an other than god??????
Let's take a look at the fatiha now
Isn't it clear that the same one/thing/unknown who had the right to write the ayat above in suret el shora is the same unknown thing/one/creature who is telling surret el fateha???he is praising God, and asking him to show us (him and us) the right way????Is God praising himself?? not God is teaching us how to ask him?? he said in another verse that he is close to us...then why would he do so twice???
from my understanding the quran is the one who told and said everything in the quran..
there are sometime quran would quote from someone else..if this is happening the quran would say remember when allah said, remmber when musa said n so on..
the only confusing part is the word we..
every time word we occur it would be either quran and Allah or quran and the reader..
from my understanding the word we would represent quran and Allah if the story is happening before the quran is writen..if the story happened after the quran is writen the word we would represent quran and the reader..